Iran warns about U.S. air incursion - mullah regime "not happy" with election of Obama | |
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Grizzled Old Goat
(OP) User ID: 544089 Canada 11/05/2008 06:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah, those hard-liners need confrontation to consolidate their positions of power. Quoting: x 544052They'll get it before Obama's Inaugurated. You're right that they need confrontation - not so sure they'll get it now. That would be playing into their hands at the worst possible time.. ------------------------------------------------------- Muhammad Khatami, a former president of Iran, suggests that he may run again in 2009 [link to www.economist.com] AFP PRESIDENTIAL elections in Iran next June could be more lively than usual. Muhammad Khatami, a leading reformist who has already served two terms as president (he left office in 2005), is dropping ever clearer hints that he is ready to run against the incumbent, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who is widely expected seek re-election. At a recent international conference on religion, held in Tehran, Iran’s capital, Mr Khatami spoke of his possible candidacy, suggesting that he is ready to toss his turban into the ring. He is, rightly, wary of saying now that he will certainly run. He faces great difficulties, not least that the country’s reformists are weak. In elections earlier this year they managed to win just 46 of 290 seats in the majlis (parliament) after many candidates were barred from standing. An assortment of conservatives dominate the legislature, and it is they, not the reformists, who have provided most of the opposition to Mr Ahmadinejad. Two leading conservatives, Ali Larijani and Muhammad Qalibaf, have also been touted as contenders for Mr Ahmadinejad’s job. Nor are Mr Khatami’s previous spells in charge remembered entirely fondly. By the end of his presidency he was seen as a lame duck; his supporters were dejected because he had failed to bring about significant social or political reform. In fact he had been sidelined by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader. In contrast his successor, Mr Ahmadinejad, has succeeded in strengthening the role of the presidency. Thus Mr Ahmadinejad remains a formidable opponent. He has the support of both Ayatollah Khamenei and the powerful Revolutionary Guards. The conservative establishment see reformist proposals as attempts to overturn the basic principles of the Islamic Revolution and so would not welcome the return of the old president. It remains possible—especially if Mr Khatami were to promise radical reforms—that the supreme leader would stop Mr Khatami competing at all. Despite all this, however, Mr Khatami has some things in his favour. He is personally popular among voters and Mr Ahmadinejad, the incumbent, is troubled by the dire state of the economy. The government has failed to spread wealth, despite hefty revenues from oil and gas; ordinary Iranians are furious that inflation that is now running at nearly 30%. The country’s powerful merchants went on strike in October to protest against the introduction of a 3% sales tax. With the price of oil tumbling and the prospect of a sharp drop in hard currency earnings, Mr Ahmadinejad’s prospects look bleaker yet. Much depends on the state of the economy: the more it deteriorates, the better Mr Khatami’s chances. There is appetite too for Mr Khatami’s more conciliatory approach to foreign relations after the years of Mr Ahmadinejad’s bombast. A moderate president is likely to oversee better relations with the West, amid concerns that Iran is developing capacity to build a nuclear weapon. Iranians, especially in the cities, want to avoid isolation and sanctions. Mr Khatami is perhaps more likely to strike a compromise over nuclear development for energy needs, while giving outsiders convincing guarantees that a weapons programme is not intended. Even as Mr Khatami dips his toe back into the political waters, however, other moderates are paddling forward. Mehdi Karroubi, a former speaker of parliament and fellow reformist, has already announced his wish to run for the presidency. Mr Karroubi is less popular, but he is a credible candidate. If both men were to run, splitting the reformist vote, that would ensure a conservative victory. So Mr Khatami would need, too, to persuade his ally to step aside. |
Brwnstown
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Grizzled Old Goat
(OP) User ID: 544089 Canada 11/05/2008 07:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so now we have to wait and see who flinches first, will a itchy trigger finger Iranian shoot on accident or will the US pop of a few rounds at a suspected insurgent enclave? Quoting: BrwnstownI wouldn't be surprised to see a few shots fired - but I don't think it would escalate. The Iranians don't have the parts, just like Syria.. |
Brwnstown
User ID: 526783 United States 11/05/2008 07:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so now we have to wait and see who flinches first, will a itchy trigger finger Iranian shoot on accident or will the US pop of a few rounds at a suspected insurgent enclave? Quoting: Grizzled Old GoatI wouldn't be surprised to see a few shots fired - but I don't think it would escalate. The Iranians don't have the parts, just like Syria.. No they dont but it would keep tensions high and insure more insurgents take up the cause against the great hand of satan. They love to call us all sorts of evil names. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 543515 United States 11/05/2008 07:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so now we have to wait and see who flinches first, will a itchy trigger finger Iranian shoot on accident or will the US pop of a few rounds at a suspected insurgent enclave? Quoting: BrwnstownI wouldn't be surprised to see a few shots fired - but I don't think it would escalate. The Iranians don't have the parts, just like Syria.. No they dont but it would keep tensions high and insure more insurgents take up the cause against the great hand of satan. They love to call us all sorts of evil names. You dumbshit.They aint over here killing women and children.We are the insurgents |
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Grizzled Old Goat
(OP) User ID: 544089 Canada 11/05/2008 07:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so now we have to wait and see who flinches first, will a itchy trigger finger Iranian shoot on accident or will the US pop of a few rounds at a suspected insurgent enclave? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 543515I wouldn't be surprised to see a few shots fired - but I don't think it would escalate. The Iranians don't have the parts, just like Syria.. No they dont but it would keep tensions high and insure more insurgents take up the cause against the great hand of satan. They love to call us all sorts of evil names. You dumbshit.They aint over here killing women and children.We are the insurgents It's all here in this pamphlet.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 544142 United States 11/05/2008 07:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The guy behind the carter administration. The guy who founded and funded Al-Qaeda. The hardcore anti-russia guy. The false-flag guy. They also know that Obama threatenned to bomb Iran if they ``wanted the bomb``. And of course bomb Pakistan and invade Pakistan ``to look for Bin Laden``. |
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Rota User ID: 538213 United States 11/05/2008 07:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | mullah regime "not happy" with election of Obama? Not happy with a fellow muslim being elected president of the U.S.? I suppose the dumb americans are the only ones that don't know Obama is another in a long line of bought and paid for Zionist stooges. If the zionists didn't want him elected he would not have gotten another coverage in the MSM. . |
Brwnstown
User ID: 526783 United States 11/05/2008 07:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so now we have to wait and see who flinches first, will a itchy trigger finger Iranian shoot on accident or will the US pop of a few rounds at a suspected insurgent enclave? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 543515I wouldn't be surprised to see a few shots fired - but I don't think it would escalate. The Iranians don't have the parts, just like Syria.. No they dont but it would keep tensions high and insure more insurgents take up the cause against the great hand of satan. They love to call us all sorts of evil names. You dumbshit.They aint over here killing women and children.We are the insurgents you dumbshit, you know why they are not here? because we are there. and last i checked we are not in iran so blow me |
x User ID: 544149 United Kingdom 11/05/2008 07:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | October 29, 2008 Khatami says not willing to run in presidential election [link to www.tehrantimes.com] November 1, 2008 Khatami says has no interest to return to power [link to www.tehrantimes.com] |
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Brwnstown
User ID: 526783 United States 11/05/2008 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and last i checked we are not in iran so blow me Quoting: Anonymous Coward 544142Sorry. We've been in Iran blowing stuff up since 2005. My source is Seymour Hersh. right we are blowing shit up in iran for almost 4 yrs and know one knows about it? wait let me guess iran is in on it and they are keeping it quiet right. lmao. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 544156 New Zealand 11/05/2008 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | one thing's for sure and that is that Obama and Ahmadnejad do not speak the same soul language and any dialogue between the two will likely end in a stand off and as they are both changing and evolving things might get rather tense or heated over the next year or so if not the first three months 2009! or I could be all sh!t n feathers and none of this will come to pass... lol. p.s. they both smile a lot..baring teeth. - |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 544135 United States 11/05/2008 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ah Yes-again that famous anonymous politician is quoted. |
DCR
User ID: 459621 United States 11/05/2008 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The ruling religious nuts (Imajarhead) loves Obama, almost worships him. The question has made the rounds in Iran since last month, when a pro-government Web site published a Hadith (or tradition) from a Shiite text of the 17th century. The tradition comes from Bahar al-Anvar (meaning Oceans of Light) by Mullah Majlisi, a magnum opus in 132 volumes and the basis of modern Shiite Islam. According to the tradition, Imam Ali Ibn Abi-Talib (the prophet’s cousin and son-in-law) prophesied that at the End of Times and just before the return of the Mahdi, the Ultimate Saviour, a “tall black man will assume the reins of government in the West.” Commanding “the strongest army on earth,” the new ruler in the West will carry “a clear sign” from the third imam, whose name was Hussein Ibn Ali. The tradition concludes: “Shiites should have no doubt that he is with us.” (Ahmadinejad’s is a Shiite) In a curious coincidence Obama’s first and second names–Barack Hussein–mean “the blessing of Hussein” in Arabic and Persian. His family name, Obama, written in the Persian alphabet, reads O Ba Ma, which means “he is with us,” the magic formula in Majlisi’s tradition. Mystical reasons aside, the Khomeinist establishment sees Obama’s rise as another sign of the West’s decline and the triumph of Islam. Obama’s promise to seek unconditional talks with the Islamic Republic is cited as a sign that the U.S. is ready to admit defeat. Obama’s position could mean abandoning three resolutions passed by the United Nations Security Council setting conditions that Iran should meet to avoid sanctions. Seeking unconditional talks with the Khomeinists also means an admission of moral equivalence between the U.S. and the Islamic Republic. It would imply an end to the description by the U.S. of the regime as a “systematic violator of human rights.” Obama has abandoned claims by all U.S. administrations in the past 30 years that Iran is “a state sponsor of terrorism.” Instead, he uses the term “violent groups” to describe Iran-financed outfits such as Hamas and Hezbollah. Obama has also promised to attend a summit of the Organization of the Islamic Conference within the first 100 days of his presidency. Such a move would please the mullahs, who have always demanded that Islam be treated differently, and that Muslim nations act as a bloc in dealings with Infidel nations. Obama’s election would boost President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s chances of winning a second term next June. Ahmadinejad’s entourage claim that his “steadfastness in resisting the American Great Satan” was a factor in helping Obama defeat “hardliners” such as Hillary Clinton and, later, it hopes, John McCain. “President Ahmadinejad has taught Americans a lesson,” says Hassan Abbasi, a “strategic adviser” to the Iranian president. “This is why they are now choosing someone who understands Iran’s power.” The Iranian leader’s entourage also point out that Obama copied his campaign slogan “Yes, We Can” from Ahmadinejad’s “We Can,” used four years ago. A number of Khomeinist officials have indicated their preference for Obama over McCain, who is regarded as an “enemy of Islam.” A Foreign Ministry spokesman says Iran does not wish to dictate the choice of the Americans but finds Obama “a better choice for everyone.” Ali Larijani, Speaker of the Islamic Majlis, Iran’s ersatz parliament, has gone further by saying the Islamic Republic “prefers to see Barack Obama in the White House” next year. Tehran’s penchant for Obama, reflected in the official media, increased when the Illinois senator chose Joseph Biden as his vice-presidential running mate. Biden was an early supporter of the Khomeinist revolution in 1978-1979 and, for the past 30 years, has been a consistent advocate of recognizing the Islamic Republic as a regional power. He has close ties with Khomeinist lobbyists in the U.S. and has always voted against sanctions on Iran. Ahmadinejad has described the U.S. as a “sunset” (ofuli) power as opposed to Islam, which he says is a “sunrise” (toluee) power. Last summer, he inaugurated an international conference called World Without America–attended by anti-Americans from all over the world, including the U.S. Seen from Tehran, Obama’s election would demoralize the U.S. armed forces by casting doubt on their victories in Iraq and Afghanistan, if not actually transforming them into defeat. American retreat from the Middle East under Obama would enable the Islamic Republic to pursue hegemony of the region. Tehran is especially interested in dominating Iraq, thus consolidating a new position that extends its power to the Mediterranean through Syria and Lebanon. During the World Without America conference, several speakers speculated that Obama would show “understanding of Muslim grievances” with regard to Palestine. Ahmadinejad hopes to persuade a future President Obama to adopt the “Iranian solution for Palestine,” which aims at creating a single state in which Jews would quickly become a minority. Judging by anecdotal evidence and the buzz among Iranian bloggers, while the ruling Khomeinists favor Obama, the mass of Iranians regard (and dislike) the Democrat candidate as an appeaser of the mullahs. Iran, along with Israel, is the only country in the Middle East where the United States remains popular. An Obama presidency, perceived as friendly to the oppressive regime in Tehran, may change that. (LINK to Forbes.com Amir Taheri is the author of 10 books on Iran, the Middle East and Islam. His new book The Persian Night: Iran Under the Khomeinist Revolution will be published by Encounter Books in November.) |
Lastcall User ID: 543105 United States 11/05/2008 07:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The real reason Iran isn't happy with the election of Obama is two facts. 1. Obama's father was a Muslim 2. Obama is a practicing Christian In Islam this is called being an "Apostate" and it is considered the WORST POSSIBLE CRIME any man can commit... To give you an idea how upset this makes Iranians 1.Its a felony to talk to an Apostate in Iran. 2.Iran reserves the right to summarily execute any Iranian who becomes an Apostate...even if the person moves to another country first. 3.Apostates cannot be buried in Iran. 4.Apostates from other countries are not allowed to speak to Iranian authorities...EVER. (So much for Obama's plan for "Face to face" talks with the Iranian President) |
Redheaded Stepchild
User ID: 544094 United States 11/05/2008 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "...An Iranian politician quoted by Reuters said the statement seems to have been timed with the election victory of Barack Obama, suggesting they are "not very happy". This is because Iran's hardline leaders thrive on confrontation with the US, correspondents say, and Mr Obama has spoken about the possibility of opening direct political dialogue with Tehran. "This is a clear message to the American president-elect because radicals are not very happy that Obama has been elected," the politician is quoted saying, speaking anonymously. ..." We see words like "seems" and "suggesting" and "possibility." ANONYMOUSLY gets used, as well. The little article doesn't have a by-line and it's listed under "One Minute World News." I think someone's attempting to "Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis." Karl Denninger Don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul. Silence is consent. |
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(OP) User ID: 544089 Canada 11/05/2008 07:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "...An Iranian politician quoted by Reuters said the statement seems to have been timed with the election victory of Barack Obama, suggesting they are "not very happy". Quoting: Redheaded StepchildThis is because Iran's hardline leaders thrive on confrontation with the US, correspondents say, and Mr Obama has spoken about the possibility of opening direct political dialogue with Tehran. "This is a clear message to the American president-elect because radicals are not very happy that Obama has been elected," the politician is quoted saying, speaking anonymously. ..." We see words like "seems" and "suggesting" and "possibility." ANONYMOUSLY gets used, as well. The little article doesn't have a by-line and it's listed under "One Minute World News." I think someone's attempting to Reuters is stirring the shit? Whatever for? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 543503 United States 11/05/2008 07:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Before we can deal with the radical corrptors, evils, liars and propagandists over there, maybe we had first deal with the ones taking over the U.S , our government and our currency system and NOW our military. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 515984 United States 11/05/2008 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you dumbshit, you know why they are not here? because we are there. Quoting: Brwnstownand last i checked we are not in iran so blow me So they aren't here, because we are over there, even though we aren't over there? |
5 Deferment Dick User ID: 544087 Brazil 11/05/2008 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You dumbshit.They aint over here killing women and children.We are the insurgents Quoting: Anonymous Coward 543515That's why we gotta kill all them brown skins over there, so there's nobody left alive to come over here and get revenge. And we gotta kill em NOW, before that brown skin takes over the House of White and mucks everything up. |
vishuzness. User ID: 432360 United States 11/05/2008 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | very good find and nice post - this is one of the most important issues at hand once obama is in the wh. he is a very smart person, and i dont think he will send troops into harms way just for kicks like bush did, and unlike rumsfelds failed strategic military decisions that fucked us up in iraq. considering his intelligence, and i do have faith in my new president unlike many here... i believe he will fund more covert operations into iran AS WELL AS diplomatic confrontation. these 2 put together, have the possibility of reforming iran with the least amount of deaths. of course, iran is very well developed and has a large ass military... which could fuck things up if for instance iranian forces capture american special forces trained in training revolutionaries especially in places like africa currently. that would fuck everything up, and we may have no choice but to assist israel and perhaps even the entire EU in confronting iran and their allies militarily. worst case scenario right there. i do not think obama is stupid enough as rumsfeld, bush, cheney, and the neocons to send conventional forces in large numbers into iran like we did with iraq and afghanistan. this will be a CIA operation no doubt about it, as well as SOF. any disagreements? |