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Daughter of former Mossad chief prefers jail time over joining IDF

 
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Father, forgive me, I will not fight for your Israel
[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]

Olmer Goldman, daughter of a Mossad chief, tells why she prefers jail to the military draft

Igal Sarna -Times Online UK

Omer Goldman is a pretty girl, slender as a model. Never still, very restless, she is filled with anxiety by the expected loss of her freedom. For months before she refused to be drafted into the Israel Defence Forces, she went to a psychologist every week to prepare for what was to come: incarceration in a cell in a military prison.

I met her several times last month in an apartment with other girls who are conscientious objectors. Together they would hand out flyers against Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza at the gates of a high school like the one she left a year ago.

On her last day of freedom as a civilian, I saw her at the gates of the intake base to which she had received orders to report for induction into a two-year stint with the defence forces, like every Israeli girl. She had come to refuse the draft, to be tried and to be imprisoned immediately.

Several dozen supporters showed up – members of Anarchists Against the Wall, her mother and a few girlfriends – and she stayed close to them as though she were trying to delay the end, the moment when she would clash all alone with the army.

For Omer, this transition is sharper and more surprising than for most conscientious objectors: she is the daughter of the former deputy head of Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service, the man who nearly became its head.

Omer grew up all her life in the warm bosom of a huge security establishment that has now become an enemy rather than a friend. Her father appears in the newspapers as N. He was a senior intelligence officer who transferred to Mossad and climbed to the top until in 2007 he became the deputy to Mossad’s chief, Meir Dagan, now considered the most powerful mystery man in the Israeli security system.

N, whose speciality is Iran, was spoken of as Dagan’s designated successor, but Dagan had no intention of retiring. Differences of opinion developed between the two strong bosses, and N resigned in June 2007.

This was the time when his 18-year-old daughter Omer, a pampered child of the wealthy suburb of Ramat Hasharon, was beginning to move away from the usual high-school-to-army trajectory.

In parallel to her father’s struggle and his resignation from Mossad, Omer rebelled against the path he had paved for her and went to have a look at Palestinian life on the other side of the wall. Call this an adolescent’s rebellion against her father or a battle for the heart of a father who had left home.

She is one of about 40 pupils who signed a school-leavers’ protest letter this year. Thirty-eight years ago the first such letter – a counterblast against the occupation and the war of attrition, sent by pupils in the final year of my secondary school to Golda Meir, the prime minister – caused an uproar.

There have been other letters since then, and although the furore is not what it was, in Israel conscientious objection still arouses cold, self-righteous wrath.

Omer told me that the crucial moment of her metamorphosis occurred this year when she went to a Palestinian village where the Israeli army had set up a roadblock. Someone she had considered her enemy all her life stood beside her and someone who was supposed to be defending her opened fire at her.

“We were sitting by the roadside talking and soldiers came along and after a few seconds they received an order and fired gas grenades and rubber bullets at us. Then it struck me, to my astonishment, that the soldiers were following an order without thinking. For the first time in my life, an Israeli soldier raised his weapon and fired at me.”

And when you told your father? “Dad was astonished and angry that I had been there and endangered my life. After that we had conversations. He supported me as his daughter and we have a good relationship, but he is decidedly opposed to what I do and even more to my refusal to serve in the army.

“At first he thought this was a passing phase of adolescence and later he understood that this is coming from a place deep inside me. He and I have very similar characters. I, too, fight to the end for what I believe in. But we are opposites ideologically.”

When I ask more about her father, Omer smiles and does not answer. A rare moment of silence.

On September 23 she refused to serve in the army, was tried and was sent to prison for 21 days. This week she will be tried again – and again, until the army tires or she tires.

In two weeks’ time my own son Noam is due to join the army, and I will be accompanying him to the base where I last saw Omer Goldman. Unlike her, Noam intends to do his military service. I understand them both.
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This thread is dedicated to gaia hf
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ...
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Oh goody!

Another smear Israel thread by FreeFlow!

How unexpected!
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10/13/2008 04:37 PM
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Oh goody!

Another smear Israel thread by FreeFlow!

How unexpected!
 Quoting: G. House

this is news, not smears.

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10/13/2008 04:39 PM
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freedom or death
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Stoopid, it's this daughter who smears Israel if even!
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10/13/2008 04:42 PM
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Actually Israel pretty smears itself with this case.

I mean where are we, forcing women into the military ...
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So many Joos to hate, so little time, eh FF?
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So many Joos to hate, so little time, eh FF?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 316006

Yeah yeah, actually it's the response to stalkers like G--louse that provoke me to these threads.

And those convincing you're a jew hater arguments that your ilk uses all the time ...
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And those convincing you're a jew hater arguments that your ilk uses all the time ...
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My 'ilk'?

You mean sane people?
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5a

Hey FOOF HTFAY? Ya know FOOF if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be a duck and you fit the profile my little Russkie moron monkey perfectly. Kudos House.
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bump
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Omer Goldman is a pretty girl, slender as a model. Never still, very restless, she is filled with anxiety by the expected loss of her freedom.
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Sorry, this is not journalism, it's just propaganada.
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10/13/2008 05:21 PM
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bump for Israelis with a conscious
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:bump. for Israelis with a conscious
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 525084

Exactly!

I like this young and brave Israeli woman really!
The actual initial reason why I posted this is that I wanted to show there are good Israelis there of course but go figure my intention was deliberately misinterpreted as usual

Makes one wonder how the war wankers think, or not ...
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10/13/2008 09:59 PM

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Re: Daughter of former Mossad chief prefers jail time over joining IDF
Actually Israel pretty smears itself with this case.

I mean where are we, forcing women into the military ...
 Quoting: FF 456207


Israel is rather unique in it's size and the nature of the continual threat from "neighbors".

This makes it necessary to use it's resources to guard against that threat.

You are glorifying a draft dodger. A person that has more or less commited a treasonous act.

Yes, I consider it a smear.

Yes, it is a continuation of your obvious efforts to show Israel in a bad light in any possible way.

Very transparent.

Very obvious.
"Everybody lies."
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10/14/2008 06:04 AM
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Notorious whiner G-louse = helpless fool that identifies his whole existence with a predator country!
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Re: Daughter of former Mossad chief prefers jail time over joining IDF
And its Israel that pretty smears themselves, I don't have to invent a thing, there's plenty of shit around even if this case isn't so serious like their cluster bombs on Lebanon and worldwide tradition for hidden assassinations.

Of course you defend everything they do but keep on accusing me of penguin abuse which is just a tactic to make me angry and stalk me. Even if it well known that psychopaths aren't even aware they put things out of proportions completely I still cannot imagine you don't know the difference between murder and an AV that displays bantering penguins even if we can't tell for sure how far your delusion has come actually.
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10/14/2008 06:17 AM
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I'm all for conscientious objection, but unlike over here it doesn't fly over there. It would probably be easier just to do the hitch and get it over with.
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I'm all for conscientious objection, but unlike over here it doesn't fly over there. It would probably be easier just to do the hitch and get it over with.
 Quoting: PhantomLordNYC

Yeah but she might set an example, we here had to do the same thirty ears ago, there wasn't a possibility to shun the military service for every healthy male. Someone has to start the discussion process and I greet it that it comes from a member of a brass family there.
I don't want to know how ordinary women are treated in such a case.
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10/14/2008 06:34 AM
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thats fucked up.
It's time for us to fight back against these socialist scumbags
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10/14/2008 06:50 AM
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Well, without making any moral judgements on who might be wrong or right in a conflict, I generally don't like the idea of females in the military. I also think war and violence should be the last choice which in todays world seems to be the first choice.

I admire this girl as much as I admired the palestinian girl who the arabs strapped on a suit of bombs and wanted her to be a suicide bomber and instead she turned herself in saving who knows how many innocent people.

This jewish girl could have joined and because of her father would have probably been given an easy job. Instead she made her own decision that to go the less traveled route, which will be much harder for her.

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Yes Rota, IMO this young woman is much more courageous than any combat addict.





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