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Is talking with the dead, really talking to demons?

 
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Is talking with the dead, really talking to demons?
To safeguard Isreal from demonic practices other nations had sucumbed to, Jehovah gave this command; "There should not be found in you anyone sacraficing childred in fire, anyone who employs divination, a practicer of magic, or anyone who looks for omens or a sorcer, or one who binds others with a spell,... or anyone who inquires of the dead". De.18:19. Who really talks back? "The dead are conscious of nothing at all". Ec.9:5
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The dead is not involved in the affairs of men. They are sleeping untill the final judgement or they are getting the wedding feast ready with Jesus
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Re: Is talking with the dead, really talking to demons?
No. They are people just like us only they are no longer in a body.
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The only dead that can talk back are the fallen. They are deceivers. So don't talk to them unless you want to believe their lies.
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Re: Is talking with the dead, really talking to demons?
No. They are people just like us only they are no longer in a body.
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Yeah...... duh, but don't expect many here to realize that.

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sigh And yet, inspiration and speaking with 'angels' was ok...when it came to writing the bible.
anything after 'but' is bullshit!

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Re: Is talking with the dead, really talking to demons?
sigh And yet, inspiration and speaking with 'angels' was ok...when it came to writing the bible.
 Quoting: Sireen-reborn


Angels were sent to give instructions on several occasions, Such as Gabriel at Da.8:16, 9:21, Lk.19:26. Other angels that trespass into the earthly realm are cited at Jude vs 6," and the angels that did not keep their origional position but foresook their own proper dwelling place he has reserved under etrenal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day". They use various forms of "the origional lie" Ge.3:4, to teach immortality (so sin is obsolete). They were all expelled from heaven when "war broke out" and cast down to the earth before they're sent to the abyss. Rv12:7
As for the bible, yes angels were used to transmitted it's writing, "A revelation, by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his servants the things which must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented it thru him to John". Rv.1:1
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Re: Is talking with the dead, really talking to demons?
Yes, talking with the dead is talking to demons.

That is why it's forbidden.

Those who do it are deceived & deciving... watch out for them!
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sigh And yet, inspiration and speaking with 'angels' was ok...when it came to writing the bible.
 Quoting: Sireen-reborn


lol

on the spot!
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No one here talks to anyone in the spirit world. It is fallacy to believe otherwise. The spirit world is selective. It comes to the individual soul and reveals. The soul does not go to it and demand this and that. That's not how it works at all. LOL
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If you're talkin to someone who isn't there, that's psychosis. chuckle
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And the spirit world is selective based on something they see. It is how mediums are selected, or channels. Some souls are born into this world with the dispensational ability.
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Re: Is talking with the dead, really talking to demons?
Yes, talking with the dead is talking to demons.

That is why it's forbidden.

Those who do it are deceived & deciving... watch out for them!
 Quoting: morph 493078



Yes, in agreement here.
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No one here talks to anyone in the spirit world. It is fallacy to believe otherwise. The spirit world is selective. It comes to the individual soul and reveals. The soul does not go to it and demand this and that. That's not how it works at all. LOL
 Quoting: Sara-Ka-El

The spirits that talk to people are the "angels that forsook their own proper dwelling place...he has reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day:. Jude6 Beware of "inspired expressions and teachings of demons". 1Tim4:1 :hiding:
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No one here talks to anyone in the spirit world. It is fallacy to believe otherwise. The spirit world is selective. It comes to the individual soul and reveals. The soul does not go to it and demand this and that. That's not how it works at all. LOL

The spirits that talk to people are the "angels that forsook their own proper dwelling place...he has reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day:. Jude6 Beware of "inspired expressions and teachings of demons". 1Tim4:1 Remember, divine law required the execution of anyone talking to demons or sacraficing their children to "other gods" Deu18:10 Due to global disreguard, "all the world is lying in the power of the wicked one". 1Jo5:19 :hiding:
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If you're talkin to someone who isn't there, that's psychosis. chuckle
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Right... but if you're talking to someone that IS there ... that's worse
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Re: Is talking with the dead, really talking to demons?
OAHSPE,
CHAPTER 24 Judgment
God shows how to know the kind of angels that minister to mortals

32/24.1. God said: I have given one rule to all men, by which it may be known what kind of angels minister to them; that rule is a mortal's own manifestations and behavior.

32/24.2. Whoever manifests serving himself chiefly, has little light from my organic kingdoms; but whoever serves Jehovih by laboring for others, with all his wisdom and strength, is attended by the light of my organic kingdoms.

32/24.3. Judge yourself, O man, to know who and what angels attend you.

32/24.4. Behold, one man will say to you: I have a band of wise and most ancient angels who attend me! Another will say: I have very Gods who attend me!

32/24.5. Do not judge them by their words, nor by the names professed; but judge them by the work they accomplish. Nevertheless, hold your peace in regard to them.

32/24.6. I also give this rule to you, in regard to the angels who attend mortals.

32/24.7. As for example, you know that a soldier is not permitted to go away from his regiment, and pursue other employment.

32/24.8. The soldier belongs to his regiment; he is one with the regiment; he moves with it; the affairs and business of the regiment are his affairs and business also.

32/24.9. It is even so with my organic heavens, where es'yans become volunteers to accomplish resurrection.

32/24.10. And, after that, they apply themselves not to isolated development, but to affiliation, for attaining to the higher kingdoms.

32/24.11. The least of my organic kingdoms contains half a billion angels; and many of them contain five billion.

32/24.12. These are composed of thousands of branches, suited to the various talents created with all; so that all who enter find a delightful adaptation.

32/24.13. When you were taught of old, to say: May Your kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven, it was instruction given to lead you in the method of my dominions.

32/24.14. As to wandering spirits, they have not yet passed the inorganic first resurrection; but those who have enlisted in my organic kingdoms are called es'yans while learning the rites and discipline, and are said to be in the first resurrection of the organic heavens. And those who have become organic workers are in the second resurrection, and this is a kingdom of heavens.

32/24.15. This rule is also uniform in all my heavenly kingdoms, that, after entrance to the organic heavens, none of the angels return as individuals to commune with mortals, except as mentioned further on, or except when specially commissioned by me or my Lords.

32/24.16. Do not think that my discipline is less systematic than that of a mortal general's army, or that the heavens of your God are permitted to run at loose ends, and without order or concert of action.

32/24.17. Be reasonable, O man, weigh these things according to your own observation and judgment, for there is not, in all the heavens, any wide departure from what you have in some form a counterpart-resemblance on earth.

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So called talking with the dead or other sprit entities is one giant headfuck. They DON'T exist but dabbling could well leave you gibbering in a psyco ward or on extreme chemical coshes for the remainder of you life.

Just don't fucking go there!

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Re: Is talking with the dead, really talking to demons?
The only dead that can talk back are the fallen. They are deceivers. So don't talk to them unless you want to believe their lies.
 Quoting: Darkman

slaphim ya think???
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Re: Is talking with the dead, really talking to demons?
sigh And yet, inspiration and speaking with 'angels' was ok...when it came to writing the bible.
 Quoting: Sireen-reborn



If you notice, angels usually sought out people, not the other way around. And angels are different beings than people according to scripture. Our place and purpose is different. Angels and dead people are not the same.
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Re: Is talking with the dead, really talking to demons?
Did not Jesus call the dead Lazarus to come out of the tomb? Was he not dead? Jesus said he was the Way the Truth and the Life so how he acted we should to. He talked to the dead and even so far as to get them back in their bodies.
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Re: Is talking with the dead, really talking to demons?
Good topic! There are a lot of contradictions with this maybe even within The Scriptures.
Here's a link to some real scary stuff about why you don't want to communicate with dead people.
[link to www.creationists.org]

Who dosen't talk to their deceased relatives? I think its when they start talking-back that you could have a problem.
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Angels and dead people are not the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 516264


!!!! You got that right! I had a glimpse of two Angels many years ago & there was no mistaking them for anything else.
They looked very much like the Angels painted on the ceiling of The Sistine Chapel. And they were almost bigger than the sky itself.
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Re: Is talking with the dead, really talking to demons?
Yes, talking with the dead is talking to demons.

That is why it's forbidden.

Those who do it are deceived & deciving... watch out for them!
 Quoting: morph 493078


That's pretty much it in a nutshell.
Don't do it.
It's forbidden because it will hurt you in the end.
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Re: Is talking with the dead, really talking to demons?
Did not Jesus call the dead Lazarus to come out of the tomb? Was he not dead? Jesus said he was the Way the Truth and the Life so how he acted we should to. He talked to the dead and even so far as to get them back in their bodies.
 Quoting: starlight_afar


Yes. But Jesus is God and he is more powerful than any
demon and--of course he can do that. But because we are
mere mortals we do not have the capacity to handle it.
At first it may seem like we do, but eventually the demons
start to torment and torture. So, to recap: Jesus can.
We should not. It is forbidden.
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sigh And yet, inspiration and speaking with 'angels' was ok...when it came to writing the bible.
 Quoting: Sireen-reborn



LOL sireen you don't have a clue do you?
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Re: Is talking with the dead, really talking to demons?
the dead probably are not even on earth. so yes. The demons are talking. Demons will try to make you do anything to get their attention and come away from god if you let them. I am learning new things about demons every day and learning to fight them. My condition has taught me through various means that even a fight among you can be put aside if you're a believer and you rebuke the devil. I stopped two people from arguing further by doing that (don't laugh but I actually saw a "hypnagogic" type phosphene when I blinked that told me that it was satan causing the argument") and no kidding the argument stopped when I invoked the name of jesus against the devil. Don't take my word for it if you are a believer there are lots of things you can do to get satan out of yours and others hair. I just wish I could do it before I do something bad or others transgress... sigh...
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I know it sounds trite but demons are everywhere and they are afraid of the lord.
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You all must be Catholic.

Why in the world would Jesus or God, for that matter, deny us saying hey to our loved ones who have moved on???? I don't get it. It's the translation. Again. I don't believe that God would be that mean.
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Re: Is talking with the dead, really talking to demons?
The current rule as I've been told is that your deceased relatives can come to you one time within 3 weeks or so of their death, in a dream or a visit, just to let you know they are okay, so you will know they are okay and be comforted.

But then they have to move on, and you need to let go of them so they can move on.

The problem has always been that too many of the dead don't want to leave this plane, they want to stay around and watch over their families and children and try to take care of things like they did before they died. That retards their progress and also means they are interfering with the lives of people still in body. That's why the Bible and other spiritual books try to set rules about dealing with the deceased, for their own good and yours.

Everyone has a guardian angel, or actually several (so they can take turns), and a relative can be one of them if they want to do that kind of work.





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