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Distinguished Brazil General Says 'UFO Secrets Must Be Disclosed'

 
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UFO – On that night of May 19th 1986, the so-called “Official UFOs Night in Brazil”, did the military consider those facts as extremely serious?
Pereira – Sure. There was an array of UFOs spotted and the whole defense system was put on alert. Colonel Ozires Silva was flying a Xingu near Poços de Caldas (MG) heading to Sao Jose dos Campos (SP) when radars showed 21 UFOs on many different locations from Sao Paulo to Rio de Janeiro including parts of Goias and Minas Gerais.

UFO – At the occasion, we had the minister of aeronautics, Brigadier Octavio Moreira Lima, on TV talking about that. He also authorized pilots and controllers to talk about the issue without any reserve.
Pereira – Yes. They gave a press conference. But the minister made a mistake by promising an official report to be released within the next 30 days. This was never done.

UFO – Never released, but the report was really prepared. The decision to release it, however, was changed. But some information contained in it leaked such as the number [21] of UFOs of 100m diameter each.
Pereira – That's true. The report would be made because the jets took off. Every time planes take off in an unusual situation the Air Force has to prepare a report and this is what happened. I've never heard of it, but it was certainly produced and for some reason the minister changed his mind about disclosing it.
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Showing your ignorance. Brazil is on of the emerging Superpowers of the world. Watch and see. Do some research as well.
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With the illiteracy index that it has? Riiight!

And superpowers are known to kill en masse. What does that mean really?

The position that Brazil is planned to have in the NWO is one of agricultural superpower.

The elite has worked very hard to insure that its ignorant populace will work the land for very little money while singing the sambas, rooting for their soccer teams, and dropping dead in their drunk stupor on the sidewalks.

All with the world famous brazilian joie the vivre.
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UFO – So you think that if they were disclosed...

Pereira – This would be the first step for us to advance. I don't believe people would panic if these files are opened. This (panic) would never happen. If there's a country that never panics this is Brazil. Maybe we'll even have a samba theme in celebration [laughter].

5a



He's right about Brazil...they don't get involved in wars either. They are the only country to successfully engineer the nuclear bomb and then disassemble it, along with the facility as well!

They claim is was not for them.

I suppose North Korea might fall into that category.
However, they wanted it
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Distinguished Brazil General? is that like distinguished German comedian, distinguished British ice hockey player, distinguished Iranian diplomat and so on?
No one beats them on corruption.
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The important point here is that they too have lots of information that are kept secret from people as many other governments of the world.

For example: some time ago a bunch of 3 or 4 UFO's were flying in formation besides an airplane where a minister of Brazil was doing an official trip. The jets of the Air Force were called and came from two bases one in the capitol, Brasilia, and another from the south of the country. The jets (some Mig's from Russia, but I don't know exactly which type) made an approach to the plane of the minister and during some time they could follow the UFO's until the coastal line, I believe of the state of Rio de Janeiro.

But when they got at the coast the UFO's speed up to 3-4 times the speed of the Brazilian jets and disappeared in the direction of the Atlantic Ocean.

Because of the presence of the minister on the plane, this event was reported in the main network TV journal of Brazil on prime time and I saw the tape of the TV report. All this information was passed to me by a friend from there who also showed me the video.

I'm sure there are more information from other countries probably about not only the alien presence on Earth but other things that TPTB don't want us to know about.

The important point is not how much "distinguished" is the Brazilian official but the truth of the information that he wants to bring.
hf
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The important point is not how much "distinguished" is the Brazilian official but the truth of the information that he wants to bring.
hf
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The important point is how much order from above is he following.

And how much all of this is not just disinformation he wants to bring.
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UFO – On that night of May 19th 1986, the so-called “Official UFOs Night in Brazil”, did the military consider those facts as extremely serious?
Pereira – Sure. There was an array of UFOs spotted and the whole defense system was put on alert. Colonel Ozires Silva was flying a Xingu near Poços de Caldas (MG) heading to Sao Jose dos Campos (SP) when radars showed 21 UFOs on many different locations from Sao Paulo to Rio de Janeiro including parts of Goias and Minas Gerais.

UFO – At the occasion, we had the minister of aeronautics, Brigadier Octavio Moreira Lima, on TV talking about that. He also authorized pilots and controllers to talk about the issue without any reserve.
Pereira – Yes. They gave a press conference. But the minister made a mistake by promising an official report to be released within the next 30 days. This was never done.

UFO – Never released, but the report was really prepared. The decision to release it, however, was changed. But some information contained in it leaked such as the number [21] of UFOs of 100m diameter each.
Pereira – That's true. The report would be made because the jets took off. Every time planes take off in an unusual situation the Air Force has to prepare a report and this is what happened. I've never heard of it, but it was certainly produced and for some reason the minister changed his mind about disclosing it.
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That's what I was talking about in my previous post... BTW where I wrote 3-4 UFO's please read 21!!
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I am 1/3rd through part 2 now - this is very interesting reading.

This follows the part when they discuss the UFO reporting procedures; which are rather involved.


UFO – So we finally know that what is filled in Comdabra was already analyzed and could not be explained. Do you have any idea of the number of entries in those books and folders every year?

Pereira – I haven't followed what happened there over the last three years, but we had one to three cases each month. I want to mention an important thing. I may be guessing, but I believe that 90% of sightings are never reported. Because they are filled only where there is an airport or an Air Force base by people who know whom to report to. So I don't know the percentage of sightings that ends in reports, but I think they must be less than a half percent.

UFO – If we have only half percent of cases reported, than the real number must surpass 200 every month! And we know that not all pilots take the form to fill it in and deliver.

Pereira – Yes. Pilots don't want to show up. And other civilians don't even know that these forms exist and are available throughout the country. So the number of reports is insignificant. Almost nothing comes to the military knowledge.

UFO – Are there any superior orders to cover up the information contained in those half percent of reports?

Pereira – No. There's no order for this kind of cover-up. What we do have is a level classification. Such things must be kept confidential, but there is no rule establishing this.
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UFO – Some ufologists call that an invasion due to the significant number and size of the objects. What did it represent to the military? Didn't it raise any fear or alert?
Pereira – No, no. Maybe the military think in a different way. What did they say that time? They admitted the fact, but what was the air defense response? Jets took off and reached the objects in less than two minutes. Were they armed with missiles? Yes they were.

UFO – Were they armed for any special reason or is it the standard procedure?
Pereira – That's normal. They are always armed, but with peace-time armament, that is, two missiles, small thing. Pilots had the proper training and radars entered maximum capacity which normally doesn't happen. Radars never operate at full capacity in order to save energy and to spare the device itself. We normally keep them working at 70% or 80% of their capacity. But after the jets took off the capacity was increased to a broader range. All the military regulations were observed. We did our job because this is the way military think. No communication has failed, the jets landed safe and pilots came back unharmed. Mission accomplished! When a general loses a war he asks to himself: “Where did I go wrong?”. He never says the enemy was more intelligent, but that he was stronger, that's all. I remember that time that our concern was to know if we did our part. Otherwise we'd be asking “Where did we go wrong?”

UFO – So why wasn't that report released?
Pereira – Probably because of some political reason or fear of panic. That time the idea was that the population would panic if they knew.
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07/24/2008 08:12 PM
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The important point is not how much "distinguished" is the Brazilian official but the truth of the information that he wants to bring.
hf

The important point is how much order from above is he following.
And how much all of this is not just disinformation he wants to bring.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 472879

Yes, we must take this into consideration, if they lied before they surely will continue to try (at least) to lie again.

But some facts cannot be simply distorted, as I said about the event of 1986, it was broadcast on national TV, it's a fact, seen by millions!

And I'm sure there must be other reports even more impressive, elsewhere, for example, what is THE TRUTH about Roswell?

What about those DOZENS of UFO's that were flying over Washington in 1952 which were photographed and appeared in the front page of the newspapers?

Etc., etc., etc...

If disclosure happens it'll be a historical event.
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07/24/2008 08:13 PM
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UFO – Brazilian closest neighbor to admit UFOs existence is Uruguay (since 1979). They have established a Committee for UFO Report and Investigation (Cridovni) within their Air Force. Has Brazil ever exchanged information on UFOs with that country?
Pereira – Not that I know. The only exchange was with the US during the Cold War era because the US used to force themselves into every issue.

UFO – But if that exchange occurred only during the Cold War how could US military and even physicians be present in Case Varginha occurred in 1996? We know they were there taking part in many maneuvers resulting in the shipment of UFO's wreckage and its crew bodies to the US. This was 16 years after the end of the Cold War.
Pereira – Look, when I talk about Cold War, I mean official contact from government to government in a higher level. But in specific issues things are different. US nationals work in other countries when there is something they want to know. And all countries do the same. This can be done in a diplomatic scope.
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Ho boy...


UFO – Have you ever heard of the Area 51 in the Nevada desert?

Pereira – Yes. The area is a real thing and we conducted some exercises there. Not in the Area 51 itself, but over the Nevada desert where many military facilities are located. The USAF performs exercises all over that place. It has international cooperation and invites military from many countries for training sessions there. We took part in a training program there and heard of the Area 51, but no one is allowed to enter there. The Brazilian Air Force (FAB) has already sent two teams to exercise there and I was leading one of these operations.

One interesting thing is that all exercises avoid Area 51 which is located right at the center of everything.



UFO – Aren't there any incidents of pilots trespassing those borders?

Pereira – Yes. The biggest problem is to make foreign pilots understand the procedures to be followed. Not even US nationals are allowed to fly over that space.
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UFO – We had a strange coincidence few weeks after Case Varginha: NASA director Daniel Goldin came to Brazil. Brazilian and US space agencies signed an agreement for space cooperation. Ufologists say this was only an excuse to cover-up US participation in that story...

Pereira – This is what we call “Operation Umbrella”, because after that we are covered against any bad weather.


wow, for not understanding english really well, you know how to mine a humdinger! (you sure you can translate some of those Portuguese docs??? =)


UFO – We had a strange coincidence few weeks after Case Varginha: NASA director Daniel Goldin came to Brazil. Brazilian and US space agencies signed an agreement for space cooperation. Ufologists say this was only an excuse to cover-up US participation in that story...

Pereira – This is what we call “Operation Umbrella”, because after that we are covered against any bad weather.



seriously . . . ¡¿W T F?!
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NASA Signs International Space Station Agreement With Brazil
NASA Administrator Daniel S. Goldin and the Brazilian Space Agency President Dr. Luiz Gylvan Meira today signed an implementing arrangement providing for the design, development, operation and use of Brazilian developed flight equipment and payloads for the International Space Station (ISS).

Under this arrangement, the Brazilian Space Agency (AEB) will provide for use on the Space Station a Technology Experiment Facility (TEF) and an Expedite the Processing of Experiments to Space Station (EXPRESS) pallet. The TEF will provide long-term exposure to the space environment for active and passive experiments. EXPRESS will serve as an interface mechanism to attach small payloads to U.S. truss segments of the Space Station. Both pieces of hardware will provide greater capability for experiments that require exposure to the space environment on the station's exterior.

Brazil also will supply a Window Observational Research Facility, which will be used as a mount with data and power connections for optical experiments to perform observations of the Earth. Other contributions will include an Unpressurized Logistics Carrier (ULC) and associated equipment for transportation of ISS cargo on the Space Shuttle. The ULC is a cargo carrier to be used for station items, such as exterior spare parts and maintenance equipment, that do not require a pressurized environment. In exchange for AEB-provided equipment and support, NASA will provide Brazil with access to its ISS facilities on-orbit, as well as a flight opportunity for one Brazilian astronaut during the course of the ISS program.

With the signing of this arrangement, Brazil joins as a bilateral partner of the United States in the International Space Station.

The assembly of the ISS begins in June 1998 with the launch of the Functional Cargo Block, a U.S. financed, Russian built and launched vehicle. The U.S. node is scheduled for launch on Shuttle mission STS-88 in July 1998. Assembly of the Space Station will be completed in 2003.

[link to www.nasa.gov]
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NASA Signs International Space Station Agreement With Brazil
NASA Administrator Daniel S. Goldin and the Brazilian Space Agency President Dr. Luiz Gylvan Meira today signed an implementing arrangement providing for the design, development, operation and use of Brazilian developed flight equipment and payloads for the International Space Station (ISS).

Under this arrangement, the Brazilian Space Agency (AEB) will provide for use on the Space Station a Technology Experiment Facility (TEF) and an Expedite the Processing of Experiments to Space Station (EXPRESS) pallet. The TEF will provide long-term exposure to the space environment for active and passive experiments. EXPRESS will serve as an interface mechanism to attach small payloads to U.S. truss segments of the Space Station. Both pieces of hardware will provide greater capability for experiments that require exposure to the space environment on the station's exterior.

Brazil also will supply a Window Observational Research Facility, which will be used as a mount with data and power connections for optical experiments to perform observations of the Earth. Other contributions will include an Unpressurized Logistics Carrier (ULC) and associated equipment for transportation of ISS cargo on the Space Shuttle. The ULC is a cargo carrier to be used for station items, such as exterior spare parts and maintenance equipment, that do not require a pressurized environment. In exchange for AEB-provided equipment and support, NASA will provide Brazil with access to its ISS facilities on-orbit, as well as a flight opportunity for one Brazilian astronaut during the course of the ISS program.

With the signing of this arrangement, Brazil joins as a bilateral partner of the United States in the International Space Station.

The assembly of the ISS begins in June 1998 with the launch of the Functional Cargo Block, a U.S. financed, Russian built and launched vehicle. The U.S. node is scheduled for launch on Shuttle mission STS-88 in July 1998. Assembly of the Space Station will be completed in 2003.

[link to www.nasa.gov]
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This really puts things into perspective about the ISS. Could the ISS be the 'good guys' (white brotherhood, whatever) First Observational Outpost/Defense for the 'coming alien invasion' ?

I bet something along these lines, but more salient - unfortunately we wouldn't know what is salient, because we don't have all the info.

But they do!
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U.S. Department of State
96/03/01 Statement: US/Brazil Space Cooperation Agreement
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U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Office of the Spokesman


(Brasilia, Brazil)
_____________________________________________________________​_______
For Immediate Release March 1, 1996



STATEMENT BY NICHOLAS BURNS, SPOKESMAN

U.S.-BRAZIL SPACE COOPERATION AGREEMENT

Secretary of State Warren Christopher and Brazilian Foreign Minister Luiz Felipe Lampreia signed an agreement providing a framework for space cooperation March 1 at a ceremony at the Foreign Ministry in Brasilia. National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) Administrator Daniel S. Goldin participated in the signing ceremony.

During the past year, NASA and the Brazilian Space Agency (AEB) worked out a government-to-government cooperation agreement to conduct joint research programs on space and earth science, with a special emphasis on global climate change. Data will be collected with satellites, sounding rockets, balloons and aircraft as well as ground-based facilities. The programs will share data and include student and scientist exchanges. The agreement addresses issues such as customs, overflight clearance, intellectual property rights and liability.

NASA and Brazilian scientists have already worked together gathering and analyzing data from the Smoke, Clouds and Radiation experiment to evaluate the global impact of fossil fuel and biomass burning.

The agreement takes place in the context of Brazil's firm commitment to non- proliferation goals. President Cardoso has stated publicly that Brazil's active space program is "exclusively for peaceful purposes." On the occasion of Foreign Minister Lampreia's September visit to Washington last year, Secretary Christopher announced that the United States would advocate Brazilian membership in the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR). At the MTCR plenary in Bonn the following month, Brazil became a member of the MTCR.

[link to dosfan.lib.uic.edu]
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Operação Prato, documentary of history channel in Brazil.

Hollanda, the officer in charge of the case, committed suicide.
The video is in portuguese , sorry

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Operação Prato: a documentary (with simulations) made about the case and showed in the major brazilian tv channel.

In the link, click in top left corner "Reconstituição da Operação Prato exibido na Rede Globo, em agosto de 2005.
video also in Portuguese

[link to www.ufo.com.br]
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Operação Prato: video in English

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part 2 (there are 9 parts)
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we are all distinguished persons disclosure soon :) lol

stop children whats that sound !
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Where's Idol's take on this?
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Ah, I wish to live in Rio de Janeiro come February or April of next year...

First, some fine hotels and international travelling though...

Then a stint in Italy and possibly France, then Ivy League undergrad connected to the Hamptons, with a lady c...

Of course, I would be too old for such a thing under normal circumstances. But, I don't need an alien body transplant either...

Brazil is SUCH a civilized country.

SELC.





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