QUESTION: When The Chosen People Were Captive In Egypt What Book Was In The Torah?

Slavery for dummies, egyptian edition

They were never held captive in Egypt. Their leaders were the Pharoahs. The Hyksos. Akehenaton/Moses wasn't doing a good job and he and his followers were expelled from Egypt!
Further more - the "bible" was written in the 1500's AD!
The time scale that you have been taught is all a lie. It is about 1000 to 1800 years off.

All those old tales are duplicates of events and people who lived in the 1400 to 1600's AD. The names were changed; some only slightly. For instance the "ancient" Plutarch and the middle ages Petrarch.

You are lied to now by all the "authorities". You of course know that.
Now you have to understand that they have always lied to us. They created a "history" to empower themselves.
It empowered the royalty....ah yes, hereditary rule given by "god".
And religion - is given an aire of mystical truth by being "ancient". It is all a jesuit hoax.

Wake up all - you have been had, big time.

History is written by the victors. The Egyptians weren't the victors.

slaves? are you sure?

FIRST:
The books in the Torah are NOT listed oldest to newest
The books written by Moses aren't the oldest books
I can't remember all the books that pre-date Moses but the book of Job is the oldest.




SECOND:
The Egyptians encouraged a nomadic people they called the "Habiru" to settle on the east edge of the Nile delta as a buffer against invasion

The Habiru were a different race and religion from the Egyptians

After several centuries the relationship soured when the Egyptians took away the Habiru's exemption from providing laborers for the Pyramids.

According to the History of the Old Egyptian writings, the Gods punished Egypt with numerous plagues for allowing a people who didn't worship the Egyptian Gods to work on the sacred buildings.

The Pharaoh told them to leave, the Habiru looted several cities when they left so the Pharaoh took chase to recover the stolen goods

When the Habiru were cornered against the Reed Sea, the Habiru just disappeared ..."The Earth and Sea swallowed them up"


The Egyptians called the leader of the rebellious Habiru
"Son Of ?" since he was the illegitimate son of an Egyptian princess (Pronounced "Meh-Sus")
Habiru is pronounced "Heb-eh-rew"


Thats two versions of THE SAME EVENT from two different cultures.


It happened ....deal with it.

Your missing the point, how did the chosen people know which GOD to worship, which GOD was real and able to save them from slavery, when they had no Torah?

They didn't need a Torah or a Bible they had "the Covenant of the Ark" the Book Of Enoch.

They passed their beliefs from generation to generation. They worshiped the God of their patriarch Abraham who taught his sons who taught his sons.

That said, yes, there existed the book of Enoch. But who had it???? hmmmm

They had SEVERAL books


Moses wrote "Genesis" based on stories that were carved on the STAFFS the tribal leaders carried .. the people couldn't agree on how to translate the carvings BECAUSE THEY WERE THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD and time had changed the way the different tribes read them, so the two most agreed upon versions were put in back to back..."The Seven Days" and "Adam and Eve"


The Hebrews had a religion that was already ancient when they settled in Egypt...old enough that there were already different sects, and writings/carvings too old to translate definitively.

Listen its all too simple if you try and visualize, the chosen people had to have some book of reference in knowing which GOD was true.

The Egyptians had their Gods, obviously it wasn't their Gods that got them out of Egypt and since the Torah was only written hundreds of years later, its clear it had to be the Book of Enoch because Judaism & Christianity are so similar to Enoch's book, and their similar because they derive from this Book.

Let's go back to the time of the flood, GOD saves Noah but gives him no calender of when to plant for the generations to come, GOD gives Noah no Covenant about who the Creator is to the generations to come, I'm gonna stop here because its already too confusing in my mind.

No, GOD does give Noah all the books of his great grand father, included are the lunar and solar calender for planting and harvesting, included are the prophecies of what will transact on the Earth, included is the True GOD.

Yes! Really good analysis from someone who knows his or her stuff.
So rare on GLP LOL
Also from my reading, it looks as if the Hyksos picked up a separate group of people in Abaris, the "lepers", who had their own grudge with offical Egyptian religion, being classed as unclean.
They may have originally come from Crete.
Tacitus;"Tacitus, in his History written in the 1st century C.E. has an interesting theory regarding the origin of the name "Judaean." He claims that the Jews were in fact Cretans and that their original name was "Idaeans" (in other words "from Mt. Ida"). Beyond the obvious etymological similarity this may also be based on some strand of the tradition that links the Palestinians to Eteo-Cretans fleeing the island with the arrival of the Greeks."
Crete seems to have been the centre of a funerary cult rather that a for-human settlement.
Notably associated with the Labrynth and human sacrifice.
Wnderlic, The Secret of Crete:
" Interpreting the past, 11 April 2007
By Phillip Kay

Thus the myth of the Minotaur, with its theme of human sacrifice, remained banished to regions of the unconscious where the spirits of the past await their hour to walk abroad. Then they burst forth, seize upon those who have bottled them up and force them to bloody acts in the name of ideologies, races and religions, urge them to autos-da-fé, show trials and concentration camps. Let us not deceive ourselves. Even in the most enlightened of centuries the heritage of the Stone Age still dwells within men. And it does not help at all to drive this sinister legacy into the abysses of the human psyche. (from Introduction).

This is no dryasdust exposition but a passionately argued thesis that overflows its boundaries, as the excerpt above shows. Do we really look at the past blinkered by hidden fears and compulsions rather than calmly and dispassionately evaluate the evidence? Remember the lesson of Thucydides: we read history to deal with the present, not to escape to the past. Seeing the past is so much more helpful in this endeavor than inventing the past.

Wunderlich's book does what every scientific book should do: it looks at the evidence and strives to interpret it. In the case of historical evidence, to interpret it in terms of the period under observation.

It is obvious anthropology and archaeology are not history - the one studies bones, the other ruins. One cannot derive a history from fragmentary physical remains. Try doing so for a historical period and see - three people will come up with three different interpretations, and they will all be wrong. Yet every account of anthropology and archaeology attempts to create a history of mankind.

In the case of Crete, Wunderlich has pointed out that the preponderant one, Evans', falls into a primary error, anachronism: it imagines a coherent picture of the culture (which archaeology itself cannot provide, in Crete as elsewhere) which is derived from Evans' own culture. Wunderlich sets out to compare what is known about Crete with what is known about other Bronze Age cultures, and uses myth, epic, religion, social mores, economics and social history to try and flesh out the evidence of ruined sites.

His thesis is that the ruins of Knossos and elsewhere are of funerary temples. The layout and materials used are more in accord with this than is Evans' thesis of a summer palace. Wunderlich's thesis is also in accord with widespread Bronze Age religious practices, which accorded the cult of the dead a very great importance.

Wunderlich gives many details, and quotes from many sources, ancient and modern. Much of what he uses has been ignored by other historians. Although a geologist, he commands great learning.

The second part of his thesis concerns the place that Cretan culture played in the rise of modern European culture. The school of Evans sees it as a wonderful premonition of a 19th century western European civilisation snuffed out by barbarian invasion (a concept thought out just prior to WWI). Wunderlich maintains that cultures are never exterminated by invaders, often the reverse, the invaders have their culture absorbed. Natural disasters never totally wipe out an entire culture.

Evans' Crete is a gay, liberated place with dancing women, naked breasts and flush toilets.

Wunderlich's Crete is a Bronze Age culture similar to Egypt, with a strong necessity to sacrifice to the powerful dead (the women are wailing, with upheld arms and torn dresses). Although these are the physical remains, the cultural remains are the succession of religious practices which led to the flowering of 5th century Athens.

Wunderlich looks at the Greek myths as examples of an original Bronze Age cult of the dead, as in Egypt, gradually evolving into rites of cremation, dramatic events (plays) and 'games'. This was the contribution of the 'post-palatial' period in Crete, and led to Homer.

The book is easy to read, logical, learned, stimulating and convincing. It has a very lurid and misleading blurb on the back cover: ...each step brings him closer to the Minotaur's ultimate, bizarre, secret. "

Hmmmm............

correct

The ark of the covenant was constructed after the mythical exodus. It was built to contain the Commandments engraved on stone. Nothing had been written when they supposedly lived in Egypt.

It goes to show u don't need any Holy books!!!!!!!!!

You don't need a Bible or Talmud or a Koran.

The Hebrews in Egypt were actually the Hyksos people, foreigners from all over.

Wonderful responds, if we were discussing MYTHOLOGY, but since we're sticking with reality let me re-phrase the question.

Why would GOD help anyone today or in the O-P's case the slaves of the Egyptian yester-years if they possessed nothing contractual obliging GOD to act?

Why would GOD choose from all the descendants that walked off the Ark these particular people?

740: In 740 A.D. in a land locked between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea, known as Khazaria, a land which today is predominantly occupied by Georgia, but also reaches into Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Hungary, and Romania, the modern Jewish race is born. A modern Jewish race that incidentally is not Jewish.

How can this be, you ask? Well at the time, the Khazarian people felt vulnerable people as they had Muslims one side of them and Christians the other side of them, and thus constantly feared attack from either side of them. Furthermore, the Khazarian people were of neither faith and instead practiced idol worship, with made them ripe for invasion by a people who wished to convert them to an established faith.

The Khazarian King, King Bulan, descided in order to protect themselves against attack, the Khazarian people must convert to one of these faiths, but which one? If they converted to the Muslim faith they would risk attack by the Christians and if they converted to Christian faith they would risk attack by the Muslims.

He had an idea. There was another race that he was aware were able to deal with both Muslims and Christians either side of him, predominantly in matters of trade. A race which also dealt with Khazarians in the same manner. That race was the Jews. King Bulan decided if he instructed his people to convert to Judaism he could keep both the Muslims and the Christians happy, as they were both already willing to trade with the Jews, so this is what he did. King Bulan was right. He would live to see his country unconquered, his people convert to Judaism enthusiastically and adopt the principles of the most holy Jewish book, the Talmud. There are many things the king would not live to see, however.

He would not live to see his Asiatic race of converts to Judaism, one day represent %90 of all the Jews on the planet, and call themselves Ashkenazi Jews, when in fact they were not Jews, but simply an Asiatic race of people who converted to the Jewish religion, whilst still continuing to speak the Khazarian language of Yiddish, totally different to the language of Hebrew.

He would not live to see people turn to the descendants of a man, far more powerful than him, who would be born just over 1,000 years later in Germany, a man named Bauer, who would spawn the Rothschild dynasty.

He would not live to see this dynasty usurp the wealth of the world through deception and intrigue, which they would finance through the vast riches they accumulate as they usurp the wealth of the world by gaining control of the world's money supply.

He would not live to see his people demand a homeland for themselves in Palestine as their birthright, and ensure every Prime Minister there from its inception in 1948 is an Ashkenazi Jew, even though the true homeland of the Ashkenazi Jews, Khazaria, is his kingdom, some 800 miles away.

And he would not live to see his people fulful the bible prophecy, as the, "synagogue of Satan." by Andrew Carrington Hitchcock

These peoples were astray from God, this is why they were sent into captivity. After coming out they had the exodus where Moses went up the Mt. Sinai to get the Ten Commandments, then wonder for 40 years, most spent at this mtn (which has been found in Saudi Arabia), this was to get reaquainted with God.
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renewed covenant was made at Mt Sinai Exodus 33:18–23

The Ten Commandments do however predate Mt. Sinai.
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Crazy when you think about it, all of them are descendants from the Ark, but only some kept the Covenant when they walked-off, you hold a legal contract saying GOD will protect you, well, tyrants just can't mess with you!

Do you know which contract holds GOD name?

Because every false religion holds a false God legally responsible over you, and I think history has shown that these false Gods don't assume their said obligations.

Some of these people were corrupted by the Egyptian gnostic text which came out of Alexandria. I doubt Enoch had been written yet, it was not written by Enoch.

But these peoples were recorded as baal worshippers of the golden calf.

Let's go back to the time of the flood, GOD saves Noah but gives him no calender of when to plant for the generations to come, GOD gives Noah no Covenant about who the Creator is to the generations to come, I'm gonna stop here because its already too confusing in my mind.

No, GOD does give Noah all the books of his great grand father, included are the lunar and solar calender for planting and harvesting, included are the prophecies of what will transact on the Earth, included is the True GOD.

Its gotta make sense or it isn't from GOD.

Well, "mythology"is just a way of expressing history in a way that can be understood, usually on several different levels.
People are too literal these days to really understand what ancient people were trying to say.
That period of history is also incredibly tangled and confused-deliberately so
But I get your point.

They're not Chosen any more, so dont sweat the past. I dont usually say dont sweat the past, but in this case, 70 Weeks were determined upon His people, and they failed. There is a New Covenant now called Christianity.

Is this really a concern now a days ?

You guys are all "Chosen people", want to be's

But its written :

the Prophet Zechariah states:

"Thus says YHVH TSVAOT it shall come to pass that there shall come people and the inhabitants of many cities and the inhabitants of one city shall go to another saying let us go speedily to entreat the favor of YHVH , and seek YHVH TSVAOT. I will also go and many people and strong nations will come to seek YHVH TSVAOT in Jerusalem and to pray before YHVH. Thus says YHVH TSVAOT, in those days it will come to pass that ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold and seize the corner of the garment of He that is a Jew saying, we will go with you for we have heard Eloheme is with you" (8:20)

Its not a Joke and the book does not lie, this is end story

Before Egypt we had Torah , Avraham did all the Commandments. In the "Holy Tongue" (Hebrew),
"all the commandments Yhv'h"=612+1 (for the phrase)=613
This is the number all sages say are the commandments in the Torah,

Also
(611) "Secret of the Commandments"=Torah (611)

this stuff is Amazing, By love in the commandments is connection to the Divine and revelation !

Those who do the work will eat the meal, not as much is at the "free lunch"

Read more at [link to godssecret.wordpress.com]

Gal.3:16,28,29 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.....There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Ro.9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


Ro.2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God.....25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Gal.3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.


Phil.3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

That "new bible" stuff isnt Torah, never was written in Hebrew or Aromaic, The people of the Book thought it a Joke. The whole Jc story was only bought by uneducated romams.
The words of the true prophets stand forever
They will all be fullfilled all the GOOD spoken

other than the quotes in the "New book" from the bible its character is nothing like Torah at all.........

Read with open eyes you can see

the math above is proof

"It happened. Deal with it"

PROVE IT.

Jesus preached the Ten Commandments, Noah's Flood and Judgement by Him. He and the Father are One. He was made Flesh.

Mt. Sinai?
Exodus?
Red Sea?
Moses' Split Rock?

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After the flood all the people of the Earth including us today are descendant of Noah and all those who were in Noah's lot, so, why were these people saved from among the rest of the descendants of Noah and His lot?