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Anonymous Coward User ID: 86689626 United States 03/27/2024 05:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Anyone have a feel for how long it will take to clear the bridge wreckage and re-open the Port of Baltimore? A Hurricane took part of the I-10 bridge out in Pensacola, FL a few years ago. It took over 2 years to rebuild that part. This bridge is bigger.. and needs to be more sturdy for future ship problems. "CLIF" forecast 2-5 years.. which I agree with. The guy posted below is logically on target Quote I imagine that a single sea lane will be opened by September, with all wreckage removed by April 2025. Rebuilding the bridge done by middle 2028. That is IF the piling foundation that was hit is not toast. If so, add another 18 months to 2 years. |
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(OP) User ID: 84369183 United States 03/27/2024 07:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Anyone have a feel for how long it will take to clear the bridge wreckage and re-open the Port of Baltimore? Looks like the area surrounding the Volkswagon plant on the east side of the bridge; Tom Point, Lloyd Point and Sparrow Point, could be converted into a new seaport and id guess it be quicker to get that going than to rebuild/build a new bridge. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86987060 All they have to do is remove the old bridge that is clogging the waterway. Rebuilding the bridge is not needed to getting the port back in service. I'm staying with the 4 week estimate. Last Edited by JustmeTX on 03/27/2024 07:44 PM Justme |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 86808861 United States 03/27/2024 07:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Anyone have a feel for how long it will take to clear the bridge wreckage and re-open the Port of Baltimore? In my neighborhood, we lost the 35W bridge over the Mighty Mississippi and it took 18 months (if I'm not mistaken). Granted the span was shorter. A true marvel of Construction. Fun to watch... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 86987060 United States 03/27/2024 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Anyone have a feel for how long it will take to clear the bridge wreckage and re-open the Port of Baltimore? Looks like the area surrounding the Volkswagon plant on the east side of the bridge; Tom Point, Lloyd Point and Sparrow Point, could be converted into a new seaport and id guess it be quicker to get that going than to rebuild/build a new bridge. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86987060 All they have to do is remove the old bridge that is clogging the waterway. Rebuilding the bridge is not needed to getting the port back in service. I'm staying with the 4 week estimate. I say more than 4 weeks. |
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(OP) User ID: 84369183 United States 03/27/2024 08:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Anyone have a feel for how long it will take to clear the bridge wreckage and re-open the Port of Baltimore? Looks like the area surrounding the Volkswagon plant on the east side of the bridge; Tom Point, Lloyd Point and Sparrow Point, could be converted into a new seaport and id guess it be quicker to get that going than to rebuild/build a new bridge. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 86987060 All they have to do is remove the old bridge that is clogging the waterway. Rebuilding the bridge is not needed to getting the port back in service. I'm staying with the 4 week estimate. I say more than 4 weeks. Moar? ~ 1 week Moar? Justme |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80681876 United States 03/27/2024 08:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Anyone have a feel for how long it will take to clear the bridge wreckage and re-open the Port of Baltimore? I will give my guess, based on nothing. Quoting: JustmeTX Today is Mar 27. 3 days to contract the company(s) to clear the wreckage. The Government is likely letting the contracts, so it could be slower. Government is seldom fast about anything. 8 days to move and mobilize the assets. I assume barge cranes, some very specialized dive welder torch teams. (we should have lots of skills in the oil rig business, but they might be in the Gulf). Then 3 weeks of cutting steel and lifting it onto barges. 11+21= 32 days. So end of April would be my guess. Roughly, this is what I've heard. Depends on weather too. Storms will slow this down. They also must wait for the NTSB to wrap up their initial investigation before anything moves, but that could be done at the same time as the contracting. It's going to be a while. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 86987060 United States 03/27/2024 08:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Anyone have a feel for how long it will take to clear the bridge wreckage and re-open the Port of Baltimore? Rebuilding the Francis Scott Key Bridge over the Patapsco River will probably take years and cost hundreds of millions of dollars, experts said Wednesday. But the shipping channel from the Port of Baltimore, a major economic engine for the city, could be cleared in months. [link to www.washingtonpost.com (secure)] And cant quote AP here but article says shippers are scambling to figure out a port. You could probably build a largely unimproved but usable port around that VW plant in 4 weeks. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 85169639 United States 03/27/2024 09:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Anyone have a feel for how long it will take to clear the bridge wreckage and re-open the Port of Baltimore? Instead they replaced this very short section with prestressed concrete girders . That whole operation took probably six months for a 150 feet span. But that was 10 years ago and england now has no appreciable steel making facilities any more. And do you think the USA has more or less than it did 10 years ago? They are either gonna have to go high truss again I don't know if a suspension bridge is applicable there due to the topography of the nearest shoreline. I suspect it will take at least 2 years to design it while removing the rubble. They will haggle over the environmental impact and woke social aspects of it for at least that amount of time (how many LGBT and BLM monuments will be built into it - no, not kidding). I don't suspect a shovel full of dirt will be dug sooner than 2 years from now nor will the first car cross less than 5-10 years from now. Remember, the mighty USA took 8 years to rebuild the twin towers or whatever they call it now. The USA us in dire dire shape. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 85169639 United States 03/27/2024 09:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Anyone have a feel for how long it will take to clear the bridge wreckage and re-open the Port of Baltimore? When a part of the Skagit river truss bridge collapsed in WA state in 2013 they originally said the USA was incapable of fabricating and manufacturing a similar 150 foot long steel truss section that big within a couple of years and they would have to go to england to have it made. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85169639 Instead they replaced this very short section with prestressed concrete girders . That whole operation took probably six months for a 150 feet span. But that was 10 years ago and england now has no appreciable steel making facilities any more. And do you think the USA has more or less than it did 10 years ago? They are either gonna have to go high truss again I don't know if a suspension bridge is applicable there due to the topography of the nearest shoreline. I suspect it will take at least 2 years to design it while removing the rubble. They will haggle over the environmental impact and woke social aspects of it for at least that amount of time (how many LGBT and BLM monuments will be built into it - no, not kidding). I don't suspect a shovel full of dirt will be dug sooner than 2 years from now nor will the first car cross less than 5-10 years from now. Remember, the mighty USA took 8 years to rebuild the twin towers or whatever they call it now. The USA us in dire dire shape. Keep in mind these little interstate truss bridges used to be thrown up from the 1930's to the 1970's all across the USA in 30-60 days. The steel mills just cranked them out. They were a nothing project. The USA is in a paralysis from its own de-industrialization and corruption. |
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(OP) User ID: 84369183 United States 03/27/2024 10:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Anyone have a feel for how long it will take to clear the bridge wreckage and re-open the Port of Baltimore? When a part of the Skagit river truss bridge collapsed in WA state in 2013 they originally said the USA was incapable of fabricating and manufacturing a similar 150 foot long steel truss section that big within a couple of years and they would have to go to england to have it made. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85169639 Instead they replaced this very short section with prestressed concrete girders . That whole operation took probably six months for a 150 feet span. But that was 10 years ago and england now has no appreciable steel making facilities any more. And do you think the USA has more or less than it did 10 years ago? They are either gonna have to go high truss again I don't know if a suspension bridge is applicable there due to the topography of the nearest shoreline. I suspect it will take at least 2 years to design it while removing the rubble. They will haggle over the environmental impact and woke social aspects of it for at least that amount of time (how many LGBT and BLM monuments will be built into it - no, not kidding). I don't suspect a shovel full of dirt will be dug sooner than 2 years from now nor will the first car cross less than 5-10 years from now. Remember, the mighty USA took 8 years to rebuild the twin towers or whatever they call it now. The USA us in dire dire shape. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Pretty much everything is pre-stressed concrete in the US anymore. I assume this would be the same. A shame that the US lost most of its steel production. It will bite us in the ass one of these days. or whoever takes over this country once it fails. Last Edited by JustmeTX on 03/27/2024 10:10 PM Justme |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 86117202 United States 03/27/2024 10:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Anyone have a feel for how long it will take to clear the bridge wreckage and re-open the Port of Baltimore? If they tie the funding to the Ukraine war bill it will likely never get done. The problem is we live in a sissy ass world that makes you go through all kinds of hoops. This adds all kinds of red tape which for the layperson means shit loads of paperwork, permits, environmental impact reports, etc etc. The government can't do anything fast otherwise they would have all those Guatamalan foreign exchange students working around the clock cutting that steel up etc. This country has been destroyed by the bullshit politics that handcuff our ingenuity and resolve. The stuff that made America great was not letting the government control everything. Imagine trying to build the Hoover Dam today thinking of all of the accidents. OSHA would still be making them jump through hoops and fines. |