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Anonymous Coward User ID: 85746714 United States 06/04/2023 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | According to the Nag Hammadi library of ancient texts dating back to just 100 years after Christ's birth, the man who would later be called "Jesus" was a disciple of the Essene mystery school and likely studied mysticism in Alexandria. The form of magick they taught was different from what we conventionally think of as "sorcery" which draws on pacts with spirits/gods/demons and requires elaborate rituals, oaths, and sacrificial "cost" as payment for the spell. Instead, the Essene schools and others like it used the power of consciousness itself to forge a direct connection with God, manifesting powers and effects that were extensions of God's will. The most accomplished practitioners were called "sons of God". The Essenes also had an egregore - a metaphysical construct that tied initiated members of the group together and pooled their collective power into a magickal "battery" which could be used by the highest anointed among them. Christ attained this mastery and was bestowed the egregore garment to use Quoting: The Alkahest Thank you for making this important distinction between sorcery and mystical powers/ magic. |
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Angels (OP) User ID: 80534266 United States 06/04/2023 08:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone can walk a similar path as did Christ. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77168746 Thus they enter phos anthropos the door of their heart. Exert yourself, to know yourself. Eve began to know right and wrong. The snake is bruised in the head by the heel of someone who has authority. All things were made through Jesus, as john one says. Even you. Were made through the eye and template of Jesus. But what about everybody who was born BEFORE Jesus...smh... |
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Angels (OP) User ID: 80534266 United States 06/04/2023 08:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | According to the Nag Hammadi library of ancient texts dating back to just 100 years after Christ's birth, the man who would later be called "Jesus" was a disciple of the Essene mystery school and likely studied mysticism in Alexandria. The form of magick they taught was different from what we conventionally think of as "sorcery" which draws on pacts with spirits/gods/demons and requires elaborate rituals, oaths, and sacrificial "cost" as payment for the spell. Instead, the Essene schools and others like it used the power of consciousness itself to forge a direct connection with God, manifesting powers and effects that were extensions of God's will. The most accomplished practitioners were called "sons of God". The Essenes also had an egregore - a metaphysical construct that tied initiated members of the group together and pooled their collective power into a magickal "battery" which could be used by the highest anointed among them. Christ attained this mastery and was bestowed the egregore garment to use Quoting: The Alkahest Wow! Thank you for your post! |
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Angels (OP) User ID: 80534266 United States 06/04/2023 08:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did you forget about the part of the Bible with Simon Magus? Quoting: Guivre Acts 8:9-24 Simon the Magician Believes 9 But there was a man named Simon, who had previously practiced magic in the city and amazed the people of Samaria, saying that he himself was somebody great. 10 They all paid attention to him, from the least to the greatest, saying, "This man is the power of God that is called Great." 11 And they paid attention to him because for a long time he had amazed them with his magic. 12 But when they believed Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. 13 Even Simon himself believed, and after being baptized he continued with Philip. And seeing signs and great miracles performed, he was amazed. 14 Now when the apostles at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent to them Peter and John, 15 who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit. 18 Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money, 19 saying, "Give me this power also, so that anyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit." 20 But Peter said to him, "May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money! 21 You have neither part nor lot in this matter, for your heart is not right before God. 22 Repent, therefore, of this wickedness of yours, and pray to the Lord that, if possible, the intent of your heart may be forgiven you. 23 For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity." 24 And Simon answered, "Pray for me to the Lord, that nothing of what you have said may come upon me." You know why I forgot about that? Because I don't read your bible! Smh...but copy and paste until your hearts content...it seems that's all you have... |
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Angels (OP) User ID: 80534266 United States 06/04/2023 08:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just found this while trying to decompress from my schoolwork before certification work lol and my opinion is yes...yes he was... Quoting: Angels 80534266 And you are wrong. Jesus was not a magician, sorcerer, or any similar word. Yes he was...I know my own tribe...I know the energies...it's okay...we don't have to agree...but he was a good wizard... |
Angels (OP) User ID: 80534266 United States 06/05/2023 06:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone can walk a similar path as did Christ. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77168746 Thus they enter phos anthropos the door of their heart. Exert yourself, to know yourself. Eve began to know right and wrong. The snake is bruised in the head by the heel of someone who has authority. All things were made through Jesus, as john one says. Even you. Were made through the eye and template of Jesus. But what about everybody who was born BEFORE Jesus...smh... So...I need an answer to this. Can you answer this? Anyone? Rationally? I kind of doubt it...cause what are you going to condemn those that lived before only because Jesus did not exist yet? Or do they get a pass? I don't get it... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80397939 United States 06/05/2023 07:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In 1978, Columbia historian Morton Smith published Jesus the Magician in which he argued that Jesus was one of many ancient magicians and that his ministry is best understood as wonderworking. He argued that while healing the sick, exorcizing demons, turning water into wine, multiplying bread, and walking on water read to us as signs of Jesus’s divine nature, in his own time he sounded like a magician. If you transplanted Jesus to Hogwarts, it seems, he wouldn’t even stand out. Quoting: Angels 80534266 There are even examples of early Christian artwork that seem to confirm this theory. Stone reliefs on ancient Christian sarcophagi and the walls of the catacombs beneath Rome regularly show Jesus (and sometimes Peter) healing people while holding or even pointing with something that looks very much like a wand. In actual fact, he’s holding a staff and even though we might also associate that with Tolkien’s wizards, it was more likely a way of connecting Jesus to the biblical prophet Moses. Even if the artistic evidence doesn’t hold up it’s clear that there were those outside of Christianity who also viewed Jesus as a magician. Celsus, a Roman philosopher and critic of Christianity, said that Jesus was a magician who had learned his trade in Egypt. Dr. Shaily Patel, a professor of early Christianity at Virginia Tech and specialist in ancient magic, told the Daily Beast that Christians spent a lot of time defending themselves against these claims. Origen, the third century head of a kind of Christian university in Alexandria, “spilled a lot of ink talking about how Jesus’ wondrous deeds weren’t magic because they were aimed at things like moral reformation and salvation instead of the sorts of parlor trickery displayed by marketplace sorcerers.” [link to www.thedailybeast.com (secure)] Had Jesus arrived after the formation of the Holy Roman Catholic Church he would have been burned at the stake for being a Witch. What he did was later declared Witch-craft by the church. In that respect you could say he was a wizard. The Book of Jubalees reveals his early life (ordered banned by the church) as a mischief maker and prankster who snuck into the secret meetings of the priests and saw their secrets and attained the ability to later reality as they were taught to do, but were too afraid to do so openly. Another one of the reasons he used to mock the preists of is people's religions frequently. One of the reasons they begged the Romans to put him to death. |
Angels (OP) User ID: 80534266 United States 06/05/2023 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In 1978, Columbia historian Morton Smith published Jesus the Magician in which he argued that Jesus was one of many ancient magicians and that his ministry is best understood as wonderworking. He argued that while healing the sick, exorcizing demons, turning water into wine, multiplying bread, and walking on water read to us as signs of Jesus’s divine nature, in his own time he sounded like a magician. If you transplanted Jesus to Hogwarts, it seems, he wouldn’t even stand out. Quoting: Angels 80534266 There are even examples of early Christian artwork that seem to confirm this theory. Stone reliefs on ancient Christian sarcophagi and the walls of the catacombs beneath Rome regularly show Jesus (and sometimes Peter) healing people while holding or even pointing with something that looks very much like a wand. In actual fact, he’s holding a staff and even though we might also associate that with Tolkien’s wizards, it was more likely a way of connecting Jesus to the biblical prophet Moses. Even if the artistic evidence doesn’t hold up it’s clear that there were those outside of Christianity who also viewed Jesus as a magician. Celsus, a Roman philosopher and critic of Christianity, said that Jesus was a magician who had learned his trade in Egypt. Dr. Shaily Patel, a professor of early Christianity at Virginia Tech and specialist in ancient magic, told the Daily Beast that Christians spent a lot of time defending themselves against these claims. Origen, the third century head of a kind of Christian university in Alexandria, “spilled a lot of ink talking about how Jesus’ wondrous deeds weren’t magic because they were aimed at things like moral reformation and salvation instead of the sorts of parlor trickery displayed by marketplace sorcerers.” [link to www.thedailybeast.com (secure)] Had Jesus arrived after the formation of the Holy Roman Catholic Church he would have been burned at the stake for being a Witch. What he did was later declared Witch-craft by the church. In that respect you could say he was a wizard. The Book of Jubalees reveals his early life (ordered banned by the church) as a mischief maker and prankster who snuck into the secret meetings of the priests and saw their secrets and attained the ability to later reality as they were taught to do, but were too afraid to do so openly. Another one of the reasons he used to mock the preists of is people's religions frequently. One of the reasons they begged the Romans to put him to death. Wow! Thank you for your post! |
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Angels (OP) User ID: 80534266 United States 06/05/2023 09:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are we! Lol In that case… fire and brimstone :) Yes...but not fire and brimstone...how about music and energy? Or Music and freedom? No music and brimstone? No...music and energy...yes...simple... |