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Was Jesus a Wizard?’ Is Actually a Serious Scholarly Question

 
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In 1978, Columbia historian Morton Smith published Jesus the Magician in which he argued that Jesus was one of many ancient magicians and that his ministry is best understood as wonderworking. He argued that while healing the sick, exorcizing demons, turning water into wine, multiplying bread, and walking on water read to us as signs of Jesus’s divine nature, in his own time he sounded like a magician. If you transplanted Jesus to Hogwarts, it seems, he wouldn’t even stand out.

There are even examples of early Christian artwork that seem to confirm this theory. Stone reliefs on ancient Christian sarcophagi and the walls of the catacombs beneath Rome regularly show Jesus (and sometimes Peter) healing people while holding or even pointing with something that looks very much like a wand. In actual fact, he’s holding a staff and even though we might also associate that with Tolkien’s wizards, it was more likely a way of connecting Jesus to the biblical prophet Moses.

Even if the artistic evidence doesn’t hold up it’s clear that there were those outside of Christianity who also viewed Jesus as a magician. Celsus, a Roman philosopher and critic of Christianity, said that Jesus was a magician who had learned his trade in Egypt. Dr. Shaily Patel, a professor of early Christianity at Virginia Tech and specialist in ancient magic, told the Daily Beast that Christians spent a lot of time defending themselves against these claims. Origen, the third century head of a kind of Christian university in Alexandria, “spilled a lot of ink talking about how Jesus’ wondrous deeds weren’t magic because they were aimed at things like moral reformation and salvation instead of the sorts of parlor trickery displayed by marketplace sorcerers.”

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I just found this while trying to decompress from my schoolwork before certification work lol and my opinion is yes...yes he was...

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A bowl, dating to between the late 2nd century B.C. and the early 1st century A.D., is engraved with what may be the world's first known reference to Christ. The engraving reads, "DIA CHRSTOU O GOISTAIS," which has been interpreted to mean either, "by Christ the magician" or, "the magician by Christ."

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Both Jesus and Mary have been accused of sorcery too. I think they did what they did out of love so imo miracle is a better term. hf
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Jesus was a magician" Claim christian witches!

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Miracles? No, Sorcery
So, why do the think Jesus was a magician? As proof of their claims, Christian witches point to the many miracles performed by Jesus that are referenced in the Bible. Here's Witcher again:

"You're talking about sorcery at its base understanding, it's really just being able to change the natural by supernatural means. It's an alchemical process. It's to say that you turn water into wine. One, two fish and five loaves of bread, feeding the multitude - absolutely forms of sorcery. Walking on water defined the natural realm and laws that govern this physical plane. That's all realms of sorcery. Magic is simply just using the props to do it."

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I just found this while trying to decompress from my schoolwork before certification work lol and my opinion is yes...yes he was...

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It's very interesting.
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Both Jesus and Mary have been accused of sorcery too. I think they did what they did out of love so imo miracle is a better term. hf
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hf
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I just found this while trying to decompress from my schoolwork before certification work lol and my opinion is yes...yes he was...

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It's very interesting.
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Here he is with the wand...

hf
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Lol
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Jesus hacked the matrix, that’s why Neo was based on him
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Lol
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OP John chapter one tells us plainly he is phos anthropos, the light inside every human.
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Lol
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You trying to convince me or yourself? Or just sharing?
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Jesus was a taco and burrito man, occasionally an enchilada
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jesus of nazareth (the city not the band) is buried in northern japan where they still speak aramaic

the vatican turned him into a supernatural being, but he's not nor ever will be
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no 'cause that would be comparing him to simon magus or the gnostics and mystics and that's bahhhhhh'd

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OP John chapter one tells us plainly he is phos anthropos, the light inside every human.
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Awww...that's nice...

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Lol
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You trying to convince me or yourself? Or just sharing?
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Sharing and I already told you what I believe... :P
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Lol
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You trying to convince me or yourself? Or just sharing?
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Sharing and I already told you what I believe... :P
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A wizard huh?

Interesting.
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Jesus hacked the matrix, that’s why Neo was based on him
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Yes! chuckle
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For me, these early art images of “Christ the magician” strengthen the notion that many early Christians had no problem with magic, although they would probably speak of it in terms of miraculous healing and casting out demons. Furthermore, this magical tradition did not end with Jesus. In fact, the book of Acts has a number of stories where the disciples of Jesus performed similar acts to those mentioned in the gospels. Not surprisingly, this also shows up in sarcophagi art with St. Peter using a wand as well!

Art, in all of its forms, has always been a profound commentary of the times in which it was created. The portrayal of Jesus using a wand speaks volumes about the way early Christians understood their Savior. (Take the time to do a Google search and you will discover quite a few of these wonderful images online!)

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Jesus was a taco and burrito man, occasionally an enchilada
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I love Mexican food...authentic mexican...lol

hf
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Anyone can walk a similar path as did Christ.
Thus they enter phos anthropos the door of their heart.
Exert yourself, to know yourself.
Eve began to know right and wrong.
The snake is bruised in the head by the heel of someone who has authority.
All things were made through Jesus, as john one says.

Even you. Were made through the eye and template of Jesus.
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According to the Nag Hammadi library of ancient texts dating back to just 100 years after Christ's birth, the man who would later be called "Jesus" was a disciple of the Essene mystery school and likely studied mysticism in Alexandria. The form of magick they taught was different from what we conventionally think of as "sorcery" which draws on pacts with spirits/gods/demons and requires elaborate rituals, oaths, and sacrificial "cost" as payment for the spell. Instead, the Essene schools and others like it used the power of consciousness itself to forge a direct connection with God, manifesting powers and effects that were extensions of God's will. The most accomplished practitioners were called "sons of God". The Essenes also had an egregore - a metaphysical construct that tied initiated members of the group together and pooled their collective power into a magickal "battery" which could be used by the highest anointed among them. Christ attained this mastery and was bestowed the egregore garment to use
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Jesus was a magician" Claim christian witches!

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Lol put down your Harry Pothead fan fiction. Christ is God incarnate and not some two bit stage magician.
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he was a lizard


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.

Everything which was created was created through Him and For Him..


In all rhelms

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Creator powers..

Way beyond wizardry...

More like the Creator of wizards..

I guess you could say..

wizardry looks like parlor tricks...

Lol..
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Jesus works for Doordash in Tempe, AZ.

You get updates.
“Jesus picked up food”
“Jesus on the way”
“Jesus delivered food”
“Rate Jesus”

Yes he is a magician I believe.

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Did you forget about the part of the Bible with Simon Magus?

Acts 8:9-24

Simon the Magician Believes

9 But there was a man named Simon, who had previously practiced magic in the city and amazed the people of Samaria, saying that he himself was somebody great.
10 They all paid attention to him, from the least to the greatest, saying, "This man is the power of God that is called Great."
11 And they paid attention to him because for a long time he had amazed them with his magic.
12 But when they believed Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
13 Even Simon himself believed, and after being baptized he continued with Philip. And seeing signs and great miracles performed, he was amazed.
14 Now when the apostles at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent to them Peter and John,
15 who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit,
16 for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
17 Then they laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit.
18 Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money,
19 saying, "Give me this power also, so that anyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit."
20 But Peter said to him, "May your silver perish with you, because you thought you could obtain the gift of God with money!
21 You have neither part nor lot in this matter, for your heart is not right before God.
22 Repent, therefore, of this wickedness of yours, and pray to the Lord that, if possible, the intent of your heart may be forgiven you.
23 For I see that you are in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity."
24 And Simon answered, "Pray for me to the Lord, that nothing of what you have said may come upon me."
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