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A Healing Place. A Loving Space.

 
OrangeRay3
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Goodnow All ~

I had a very exciting meditation last night I'd like to share some details about today. I tried something new, which I haven't before. When meditating, instead of focusing on an particular emotion, I focused simply on opening. In this, rather than experiencing any sense stimulation, I experienced everything melting away into a blankness. It was very interesting. I didn't feel any emotion in this state other than a very soft peace. That's the best I can describe it.

After that I focused on moving my energy, with the thought "Joy", and opened up to see the usual green-blue-purple-yellow color (not like normal colors). And there was something new, this beautiful "white-silver" lining of an entity to my right. It was waving it's arms above me with delicate movements like moving through water. The shape of these arms I can best describe as tenticles, but remember, I only saw the lining of the arms. I felt such a powerful presence from this being, but it was comfortable. I tried opening my mind to hearing from this being and I can't even describe that experience. I'm going to try again tonight if it will still be present, which I feel it will be. I had to stop last night because everything became too intense. Suddenly it looked like I was seeing several dimension layers at one time (like looking at a vase, as it is also an apple, as it is also a football - overwhelming to say the least). After this I had to place my hand above me forehead and focus on closing my third eye. This area actually felt like a hole the size of a silver dollar. It didn't hurt. Again, was just overwhelming. My third eye is feeling stimulated just discussing this.

As I was meditating this thought came into my head. Does anyone have any comments about it or what I shared above?

There is this point where the definitions of God, “Almighty Being”, “big white man in the sky”, the “Judger”, etc. all slip away. From there you are standing in the center of the river of Everything, completely naked, mind, body and soul. The river then moves through you. You are the river. And it is here that you become absolutely aware. Where perspective had once chaotically separated all happenings into good and bad, now clear streams of simple cause and effect are revealed. From this point, surrender and allowance no longer carry the judgments we place upon them. They are simply aspects of completely Being. And from there, at this point where everything has lost meaning and simply is, love means absolutely everything. It is a point where the distinction between God and you melts away. It is here that you live.

I love you all so very much. Thank you for being here with me on this part of my journey. And I am glad to also be welcomed so strongly by you.

Much love to All, ONE!
O!
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Hi Beautiful Allie...Wow this was an awesome awareness and experience! I have reached and experienced this state of being(first on 5 grms of mushrooms and then worked to achieve on my own)and without doubt it is the center of our awareness. The goal is to bring this state into constant flow...that is the hard part indeed.The fact that you have had the essence of this touch you so deep within makes it easier to adjust to that frequency and work toward holding it constant until it is.Thanks for sharing xo
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Hi Lotus...It's not about "if I had not heard"...I am no reader or follower. I have never in all of my 48 yrs looked outside to explain anything. I speak from first hand experience....coming at me full throttle since the age of four.Interdimensional, ets,demons and the devil himself....and no I am not psychotic.So when I offer something I deem valuable to the process...I share. The fact that I have survived with faith and hope and goodness still in my heart is testiment.When souls ARE weak...before they get strong by alot of work that a person must commit to and we know how often that happens...right, protecting ones aura is vitally important so the voice of the soul within can be heard and not that of these other entities!
A never ending process is the discovery of self and the grounding of the soul...it is the utmost joy and fulfillment this life has to offer! (Not deflecting or arguing...just felt a bit of invalidation and that doesn't interest me.)xo


I appreciate that you are talking about your own experiences dear orangeray. From my own experience and with working with clients allow me share a little more for the benefit of everyone. Not all is what it appears...

CASE 1
After a healing training course a lady was seeing demonic faces, I checked her all over and all I could feel was her fear. I asked her have you lost anyone recently. She said yes, my parents. I then told her that the faces that she was seeing was mirrored from her own consciousness and that her dear beloved parents were trying to contact her to speak with her. The advice that we gave her was to go and see a medium so that her parents would be allowed to communicate with her freely. The lady in question took the advice, received the messages and never saw a demonic face again. She healed her fears and after this she only felt her parents touch her face with a feather. Of course originally the lady also thought it was entities trying to get at her.

CASE 2
A lady had received a lot of publicity about a new age company that she had just launched; within days a huge devil appeared before her, he had flames coming from him and this 12 ft being had a huge sweeping tail. The lady in question held on to her cross around her neck and said "God loves me and I am surrounded by angels and you have no place here." Within seconds the image disappeared and the lady asked Spirit what was that? The divine explained that it was a build up of negative energy that had been sent in her direction and that it was nothing to fear. In other words it was a psychic attack created from other peoples negative thoughts, beliefs and perceptions. It was purely negative energy that was consumed by love and light. Darkness dies but love is infinite.

CASE 3
A father died and he was trying everything to contact his child. Because of his inexperience of transmitting across the waves of frequency; all was coming through haphazardly. There were balls flying across rooms, a hammer coming through a wall. The girl went to see a medium for help and the medium explained all of her experiences. She was able to have direct communication through the medium with her father and they chatted for sometime. After that their communication together was never haphazard again. She knew when he was close and she could hear him speak to her.

CASE 4
A student phoned and said she had been told that she had over 90 entity attachments by some healers. I told her do you not think if there was anything attached to you that I wouldn't have see it? An innocent child was demented by the words of others that simply were not true. Eventually, she let go of what she had been told and then she was fine.

CASE 5
A lady had a soul visitor and the soul of a human came and offloaded her negative memories/demons during lucid dream time. These memories manifested as attackers of the lady. However, the lady in question was very experienced at transmuting the negativity into love.

Darkness dies and love is infinite.

I know that aliens/ET's do exist because I have seen them. However, I have only been blessed to experience those that are positive and loving.

Love beyond measure


Lotus
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Hi Lotus....And??? Shall I list my resume as well? Interesting observation Darza made about being in your head...Each time I read a post of yours I think "air sign"...my guess is libra with leo in there somewhere...There is much wisdom in what you say but you illustrate why I don't put myself in the hands of people who claim to be professions.No offense but you sound a bit bipolar even? To me it's a more ego center than spiritual center that you come from (that comes from a stellium of virgo in the 12th house so believe me when I say I can see and feel and sense discernment.) Also, I find it rather interesting that you need to depart now...now that you are being called to step up? Feels a bit like you preach to hear yourself and then get high off of it? I know you mean well Lotus but you don't "feel" centered and grounded as a vehicle but share much thought that can be digested...Thank you! xo
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Hi OrangeRay3,

Hi Lotus...It's not about "if I had not heard"...I am no reader or follower. I have never in all of my 48 yrs looked outside to explain anything. I speak from first hand experience....coming at me full throttle since the age of four.Interdimensional, ets,demons and the devil himself....and no I am not psychotic.So when I offer something I deem valuable to the process...I share. The fact that I have survived with faith and hope and goodness still in my heart is testiment.When souls ARE weak...before they get strong by alot of work that a person must commit to and we know how often that happens...right, protecting ones aura is vitally important so the voice of the soul within can be heard and not that of these other entities!
A never ending process is the discovery of self and the grounding of the soul...it is the utmost joy and fulfillment this life has to offer! (Not deflecting or arguing...just felt a bit of invalidation and that doesn't interest me.)xo
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All true, beautiful being. My joy to confirm that which you live/know.

xoxo.
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OrangeRay3 ~

Yes, it indeed was a wonderful experience. Also, this meditation was done with a clear mind as I have only ever found hallucinogenics to be, for myself, stifling.

All ~

As far as Lotus' leaving is concerned, can we all please wish her a joyful leaving without accusations? Perhaps this leaving is merely a part of Lotus' unfolding path. I know that I've left GLP before to find peace of mind, only to come back better than ever.

Much love to you All, ONE!
O!
“You have to leave the city of your comfort and go into the wilderness of your intuition. What you'll discover will be wonderful. What you'll discover is yourself,” ~ Alan Alda
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"Conscious breathing of the universe creates a symphony where we receive life like a gift and release it like a present." ~ Akiane

O!
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All ~

As far as Lotus' leaving is concerned, can we all please wish her a joyful leaving without accusations? Perhaps this leaving is merely a part of Lotus' unfolding path. I know that I've left GLP before to find peace of mind, only to come back better than ever.
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Hi Allie,

In my life people come and go all the time. I never know if i see them again. Like with this
post maybe we will never speak again, not my decision.

You used the word "accusations", not anybody else to my awareness. This is what i see,
it feels filthy to me. Sounds to me like you want to control the expression of others.
I share my feelings and maybe now you feel accused of accusing.

Lotus makes claims like you do with the accusing. Claims are always open for challenge.
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All ~

As far as Lotus' leaving is concerned, can we all please wish her a joyful leaving without accusations? Perhaps this leaving is merely a part of Lotus' unfolding path. I know that I've left GLP before to find peace of mind, only to come back better than ever.

Hi Allie,

In my life people come and go all the time. I never know if i see them again. Like with this
post maybe we will never speak again, not my decision.

You used the word "accusations", not anybody else to my awareness. This is what i see,
it feels filthy to me. Sounds to me like you want to control the expression of others.
I share my feelings and maybe now you feel accused of accusing.

Lotus makes claims like you do with the accusing. Claims are always open for challenge.
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If a kid throws a rock at me, I will blame him and either retaliate or walk away. If a rock falls from a cliff and I get hit, I can't blame anyone and I won't blame myself.

Some things are not my fault, but some things are. Learn to know the difference. How we react is totally up to us, however.

react: re-act.
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OrangeRay3 ~

Yes, it indeed was a wonderful experience. Also, this meditation was done with a clear mind as I have only ever found hallucinogenics to be, for myself, stifling.

All ~

As far as Lotus' leaving is concerned, can we all please wish her a joyful leaving without accusations? Perhaps this leaving is merely a part of Lotus' unfolding path. I know that I've left GLP before to find peace of mind, only to come back better than ever.

Much love to you All, ONE!
O!
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...When I was 30...I was taken to the desert by a shamen who gave me the mushrooms w/o explaination...they were bleesed by monks and I was told from the pleiadies. I had never done them or any drugs at that point...I got that you were on a meditation...I shared how I had originally got there. But you needed to preface a passive judgement? I come from a generation that did not support anything you are lucky enough to experience with much support. Yet I always praise you and your awareness. I also pointed out to Lotus what was becoming unavoidablly uncomfortable about being able to take in anything she was expressing. When a person "announces" they're leaving like that...it's drama and feels like someone needing attention and praise which is what her posts feel like as well. If someone needs attention just ask...but if an energy tries to take something from me...I will address that....if a person is clean it gets resolved and trust ensues...we are sharing the process of healing...being honest with ones self awareness is vital...no? All said with love...I only wish to love and accept all but that is a two way street...we all must honor each others path as well as our own and not slime or get competetive with each other...that said...I will mirror back what is cast upon me.xo
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...When I was 30...I was taken to the desert by a shamen who gave me the mushrooms w/o explaination...they were bleesed by monks and I was told from the pleiadies. I had never done them or any drugs at that point...I got that you were on a meditation...I shared how I had originally got there. But you needed to preface a passive judgement? I come from a generation that did not support anything you are lucky enough to experience with much support. Yet I always praise you and your awareness. I also pointed out to Lotus what was becoming unavoidablly uncomfortable about being able to take in anything she was expressing. When a person "announces" they're leaving like that...it's drama and feels like someone needing attention and praise which is what her posts feel like as well. If someone needs attention just ask...but if an energy tries to take something from me...I will address that....if a person is clean it gets resolved and trust ensues...we are sharing the process of healing...being honest with ones self awareness is vital...no? All said with love...I only wish to love and accept all but that is a two way street...we all must honor each others path as well as our own and not slime or get competetive with each other...that said...I will mirror back what is cast upon me.xo
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OrangeRay3,

Bless you. Lotus does a lot of preaching but never takes responsibility for herself as a preacher. She lays it all on everyone else's shoulders because she thinks she is perfect. She thinks she speaks directly from GOD (Abba in HER case). That is so self-righteous and belittling to all here. Don't expect her to change her preachy ways, either, until she learns that God is not selective. God shines on all. She, in this regard, is no different than the organized, fundamental religions she speaks out against. She doesn't like these religions because that would mean that it would diminsih her as the VOICE of ABBA!

In many circles, Lotus would be diagnosed as "delusional".

I'm glad that some here can use their power of discernment.
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Lotus ~

You will still be in my heart :). Much luck and love on your continued journey, wherever it takes you. My e-mail is [email protected] if you ever have anything to share.

Love beyond measure indeed =D! My Mother and I have enjoyed so many of your thoughts. That will always be.

hf hf hf

O!
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Dearest Allie, I came in to post a couple of songs for you all. And I felt I had been remiss at not thanking you personally for starting this wonderful healing thread when I said goodbye. I realised at the time that my heart was involved in so many different projects with different people in different parts of the world; the heart was overflowing with so much joy and happiness that I did not think about the individual that honoured everyone with this thread.

There are many aspects involved in my departure. Firstly, I was divinely guided that my work here is done. Secondly, I have a lot of creative work to do to meet deadlines/timelines. Last but not least, Lotus is honouring the self and putting herself first for the first time in many years.

Serving God and humanity has been 24/7 in recent years with no thought of the self and now it is time for Lotus to take a back seat from the public domain, enjoy the next phase of the divine plan and spend time preparing strategically for the next launch.

Love beyond measure to everyone,

Let your LIGHT SHINE brightly and do not hide it under a bushel.
[link to www.youtube.com]
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Love with honour....

May God continue to bless you all. Allie, Darza, Wasayo, Orangeray and anyone else whose name I have forgotten.

Love YOU and honour all that you do and be.

Lotus
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Lotus ~

You will still be in my heart :). Much luck and love on your continued journey, wherever it takes you. My e-mail is [email protected] if you ever have anything to share.

Love beyond measure indeed =D! My Mother and I have enjoyed so many of your thoughts. That will always be.

hf hf hf

O!


Dearest Allie, I came in to post a couple of songs for you all. And I felt I had been remiss at not thanking you personally for starting this wonderful healing thread when I said goodbye. I realised at the time that my heart was involved in so many different projects with different people in different parts of the world; the heart was overflowing with so much joy and happiness that I did not think about the individual that honoured everyone with this thread.

There are many aspects involved in my departure. Firstly, I was divinely guided that my work here is done. Secondly, I have a lot of creative work to do to meet deadlines/timelines. Last but not least, Lotus is honouring the self and putting herself first for the first time in many years.

Serving God and humanity has been 24/7 in recent years with no thought of the self and now it is time for Lotus to take a back seat from the public domain, enjoy the next phase of the divine plan and spend time preparing strategically for the next launch.

Love beyond measure to everyone,

Let your LIGHT SHINE brightly and do not hide it under a bushel.
[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]

Love with honour....

May God continue to bless you all. Allie, Darza, Wasayo, Orangeray and anyone else whose name I have forgotten.

Love YOU and honour all that you do and be.

Lotus
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All the best to you Lotus.
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...When I was 30...I was taken to the desert by a shamen who gave me the mushrooms w/o explaination...they were bleesed by monks and I was told from the pleiadies. I had never done them or any drugs at that point...I got that you were on a meditation...I shared how I had originally got there. But you needed to preface a passive judgement? I come from a generation that did not support anything you are lucky enough to experience with much support. Yet I always praise you and your awareness. I also pointed out to Lotus what was becoming unavoidablly uncomfortable about being able to take in anything she was expressing. When a person "announces" they're leaving like that...it's drama and feels like someone needing attention and praise which is what her posts feel like as well. If someone needs attention just ask...but if an energy tries to take something from me...I will address that....if a person is clean it gets resolved and trust ensues...we are sharing the process of healing...being honest with ones self awareness is vital...no? All said with love...I only wish to love and accept all but that is a two way street...we all must honor each others path as well as our own and not slime or get competetive with each other...that said...I will mirror back what is cast upon me.xo


OrangeRay3,

Bless you. Lotus does a lot of preaching but never takes responsibility for herself as a preacher. She lays it all on everyone else's shoulders because she thinks she is perfect. She thinks she speaks directly from GOD (Abba in HER case). That is so self-righteous and belittling to all here. Don't expect her to change her preachy ways, either, until she learns that God is not selective. God shines on all. She, in this regard, is no different than the organized, fundamental religions she speaks out against. She doesn't like these religions because that would mean that it would diminsih her as the VOICE of ABBA!

In many circles, Lotus would be diagnosed as "delusional".

I'm glad that some here can use their power of discernment.
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Thank you for your love and protection my friend.xo
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Lotus ~

You will still be in my heart :). Much luck and love on your continued journey, wherever it takes you. My e-mail is [email protected] if you ever have anything to share.

Love beyond measure indeed =D! My Mother and I have enjoyed so many of your thoughts. That will always be.

hf hf hf

O!


Dearest Allie, I came in to post a couple of songs for you all. And I felt I had been remiss at not thanking you personally for starting this wonderful healing thread when I said goodbye. I realised at the time that my heart was involved in so many different projects with different people in different parts of the world; the heart was overflowing with so much joy and happiness that I did not think about the individual that honoured everyone with this thread.

There are many aspects involved in my departure. Firstly, I was divinely guided that my work here is done. Secondly, I have a lot of creative work to do to meet deadlines/timelines. Last but not least, Lotus is honouring the self and putting herself first for the first time in many years.

Serving God and humanity has been 24/7 in recent years with no thought of the self and now it is time for Lotus to take a back seat from the public domain, enjoy the next phase of the divine plan and spend time preparing strategically for the next launch.

Love beyond measure to everyone,

Let your LIGHT SHINE brightly and do not hide it under a bushel.
[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]

Love with honour....

May God continue to bless you all. Allie, Darza, Wasayo, Orangeray and anyone else whose name I have forgotten.

Love YOU and honour all that you do and be.

Lotus



All the best to you Lotus.
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All the best to you Lotus.
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Bless you OrangeRay, the more love that you become the less protection that you require until the point comes when none is required. grouphug

The true light does not wish to hurt you on any level of consciousness. However, the light can trigger our comfort zones until we have none left.

peace

Bye for now....

Lotus

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Where's Wasayo ???
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Hi OrangeRay3,

Hi Lotus...It's not about "if I had not heard"...I am no reader or follower. I have never in all of my 48 yrs looked outside to explain anything. I speak from first hand experience....coming at me full throttle since the age of four.Interdimensional, ets,demons and the devil himself....and no I am not psychotic.So when I offer something I deem valuable to the process...I share. The fact that I have survived with faith and hope and goodness still in my heart is testiment.When souls ARE weak...before they get strong by alot of work that a person must commit to and we know how often that happens...right, protecting ones aura is vitally important so the voice of the soul within can be heard and not that of these other entities!
A never ending process is the discovery of self and the grounding of the soul...it is the utmost joy and fulfillment this life has to offer! (Not deflecting or arguing...just felt a bit of invalidation and that doesn't interest me.)xo

All true, beautiful being. My joy to confirm that which you live/know.

xoxo.
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Thank you for your gift xo
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Darza ~

There isn't anyone to accuse is there :)? I just wish that Lotus can move on peacefully, so I was asking and suggesting for possible comments that may occur. If I were trying to tell/command I would do so clearly. I have no desire to do so. But thank you for identifying how you percieved my words and sharing them with me. I try to choose my words carefully to avoid misunderstandings. I am always glad when someone reveals to me that I haven't done so.

hf

OrangeRay3 ~

My statement about the drugs were not meant to be an insult or create a competition among us. The reason I make that comment is not a new one. If you look at posts I've made on different threads after sharing a meditation experience you will often see the same. I do this because many have accused my sharings as being dillusional and drug-induced. I have absolutly no problem with someone who uses drugs as an aid in enlightenment. I would no sooner have a problem with someone who uses a prayer as an aid in enlightenment. But some who read my meditation sharings have only seen the false accusation they make. So, I try to avoid the possible false accusation by clearly stating where I am coming from.

I have, in the past, tried several different kinds of drugs, all visually stimulating. The results were, for me, all negative. I cannot handle them. They only stiffled my connection, leaving me feeling disconnected, empty and broken. It is mearly a personal choice that I do not use them as an aid in meditation. I respect yours and your experience you had with them. It sounds like one my Step-Father had with some Native Americans. Very life-changing and a great teacher for his future meditations.

Where all in this together ;)... walking with our unique strides =D!

Much love to you both, All, ONE!
O!
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Wasayo~Astrolabe, I believe, is still visiting her family :).

OrangeRay3 ~

I do need to correct myself. After thinking more about it I do remember having one good experience from a hallucinagenic. It was "Purple Sticky" Salvia. I shared the experience on another thread. To summarize, I felt as if my body was connected with all things as I was also moving through my past and future life times. One that stuck out the most was a little boy (a future life of mine), who looked back at me (aware of my presence). He was in a very peaceful place. I'm not sure if that will come to be, but the meditation was very good and exactly what I needed at the time. I have never repeated. But I leave the future open.

Also, yes, I have been very blessed with a Mother who encourages meditation and self-discovery in all of her children. On the other hand, I was also blessed with a Father who encouraged a lack of spirituality and accused meditations and anything behind the veil as lunacy. And Grandparents who guilted my Mother into putting me through the Catholic rituals through Confirmation. My saint name is Hedwig (who is actually a very beautiful saint). For awhile I hated my Father and my Grandparents for treating me that way, yet a couple years ago I opened my heart back up to them and they have all really opened their hearts to the possibilities. I try to do that with all who try to stifle and hurt me now. Sometimes I succeed. Sometimes I don't, but the possibility of success is every present so I follow it. And I too feel love is the key. I am glad, as I feel it, that we see heart to heart on this =D!

I really do imagine a peaceful world, one where humanity walks with a plethora of beliefs, respecting each and every one. Some beliefs don't allow this because their teachings believe in destorying other beliefs. When that is at the heart of a belief system I do not have a passion for it. But I still search for a way to love even those beliefs and those followers... a tribute to my ideal that because we are all connected, and that love is the Ultimate Connection, that love must be present somewhere within all things.

I'm glad you said what you did above. You really have me thinking a lot about who I am and wish to be. Thank you!

hf

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If a kid throws a rock at me, I will blame him and either retaliate or walk away. If a rock falls from a cliff and I get hit, I can't blame anyone and I won't blame myself.

Some things are not my fault, but some things are. Learn to know the difference. How we react is totally up to us, however.

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Hi AC,

Recently some kids were throwing water balloons at the window of the house i am living in.
I immediately went outside and asked them why they did that. They explained it to me.
They carried on throwing balloons. Not at the house i am staying in, at the other houses.
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Darza ~

There isn't anyone to accuse is there :)? I just wish that Lotus can move on peacefully, so I was asking and suggesting for possible comments that may occur. If I were trying to tell/command I would do so clearly. I have no desire to do so. But thank you for identifying how you percieved my words and sharing them with me. I try to choose my words carefully to avoid misunderstandings. I am always glad when someone reveals to me that I haven't done so.
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Hi Allie,

I felt with the "accusing" you were referring to recent communication between Lotus and others. Now you explain it was because of fear from it happening. Afterwards AC767 and OrangeRay3 shared their perceptions/feelings of Lotus. I am guessing this is the feedback you tried to avoid. Your fear materialized in the shortest time, control creating chaos, thoughts creating reality.

From my point of view both AC767 and OrangeRay3 gave Lotus the biggest present possible, their honest perception/feelings of Lotus, to be a mirror to Lotus. An opportunity for Lotus to wonder why this happens to her so often, a chance to learn from feedback, info from others. Postings with a lot of potential for personal growth.

Lotus chooses to leave now, so i hope she read the posts and they will come back to her when she is ready.
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Darza ~

Indeed, in your perception it is so. In my perception I have not perceived any accusations toward Lotus yet occurring (other than perceiving the possibility).

But fear does indeed manifest. Because I believe it is so I witness it (and vice-versa) to be so. It is a valid point and one to remember and apply. Thank you =D!!!

Today is an interesting day... one full of conflict, which is also one full of lessons. I appreciate it, truly!

Much love and thanks!
Love to All, ONE!
O!
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Darza ~

There isn't anyone to accuse is there :)? I just wish that Lotus can move on peacefully, so I was asking and suggesting for possible comments that may occur. If I were trying to tell/command I would do so clearly. I have no desire to do so. But thank you for identifying how you percieved my words and sharing them with me. I try to choose my words carefully to avoid misunderstandings. I am always glad when someone reveals to me that I haven't done so.

hf

OrangeRay3 ~

My statement about the drugs were not meant to be an insult or create a competition among us. The reason I make that comment is not a new one. If you look at posts I've made on different threads after sharing a meditation experience you will often see the same. I do this because many have accused my sharings as being dillusional and drug-induced. I have absolutly no problem with someone who uses drugs as an aid in enlightenment. I would no sooner have a problem with someone who uses a prayer as an aid in enlightenment. But some who read my meditation sharings have only seen the false accusation they make. So, I try to avoid the possible false accusation by clearly stating where I am coming from.

I have, in the past, tried several different kinds of drugs, all visually stimulating. The results were, for me, all negative. I cannot handle them. They only stiffled my connection, leaving me feeling disconnected, empty and broken. It is mearly a personal choice that I do not use them as an aid in meditation. I respect yours and your experience you had with them. It sounds like one my Step-Father had with some Native Americans. Very life-changing and a great teacher for his future meditations.

Where all in this together ;)... walking with our unique strides =D!

Much love to you both, All, ONE!
O!
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Allie...Sorry that you have been attacked in the past for your experiences...imagine being in a time when no one would believe you and taken by adults to psyches who diagnoised you as being paranoid psychotic. Since reading your posts I recognize your capabilities and hence respect fully what you share here never thinking it anything but a real experience and I'm sorry you've had to take any shit for it. xo
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Wasayo~Astrolabe, I believe, is still visiting her family :).

OrangeRay3 ~

I do need to correct myself. After thinking more about it I do remember having one good experience from a hallucinagenic. It was "Purple Sticky" Salvia. I shared the experience on another thread. To summarize, I felt as if my body was connected with all things as I was also moving through my past and future life times. One that stuck out the most was a little boy (a future life of mine), who looked back at me (aware of my presence). He was in a very peaceful place. I'm not sure if that will come to be, but the meditation was very good and exactly what I needed at the time. I have never repeated. But I leave the future open.

Also, yes, I have been very blessed with a Mother who encourages meditation and self-discovery in all of her children. On the other hand, I was also blessed with a Father who encouraged a lack of spirituality and accused meditations and anything behind the veil as lunacy. And Grandparents who guilted my Mother into putting me through the Catholic rituals through Confirmation. My saint name is Hedwig (who is actually a very beautiful saint). For awhile I hated my Father and my Grandparents for treating me that way, yet a couple years ago I opened my heart back up to them and they have all really opened their hearts to the possibilities. I try to do that with all who try to stifle and hurt me now. Sometimes I succeed. Sometimes I don't, but the possibility of success is every present so I follow it. And I too feel love is the key. I am glad, as I feel it, that we see heart to heart on this =D!

I really do imagine a peaceful world, one where humanity walks with a plethora of beliefs, respecting each and every one. Some beliefs don't allow this because their teachings believe in destorying other beliefs. When that is at the heart of a belief system I do not have a passion for it. But I still search for a way to love even those beliefs and those followers... a tribute to my ideal that because we are all connected, and that love is the Ultimate Connection, that love must be present somewhere within all things.

I'm glad you said what you did above. You really have me thinking a lot about who I am and wish to be. Thank you!

hf

O!
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Allie...Thank you for sharing!I wrote my last comment before reading this one so I didn't mean to sound redundant about my examples. I think you are perfect Allie...and perfection is the acceptance of being imperfect but the deep desire to transform not only the self but the whole vibration of the planet....my deepest dreams too....since I can remember...back when I sat thru catholic church services with my grandparents thinking ...I know god...and this is NOT what he had in mind...and all these people who say they love but only show me how they hate...me as a child walking up to people in racially charged conflict on the street and begging for them to stop...all my thoughts, why does god allow this? The seed planted and a path followed. We are all in representation here...some are preists...some are teachers...some are warriors...some are kings and queens...against what is my nature I was asked to be a warrior. Each role path offers a different process...that is why there are many ways to the same place...each offering the right vitality for each purposeful path.We are all on different paths toward the same place. Much love to you sweet Allie!
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My experience with conflict is that when I have tried to avoid it...it gets internalized and begins to fester within...then it comes out later its much worse than it needed to be if I had just addressed it in the moment. Through conflict and resolution we grow our bond of emotional intimacy with others...we learn to trust our bonds and ourselves...it is a path toward refinement and self esteem. The key is to see what you need to from the conflict either from your perspective or theirs and then integrate what you learn.All good! xo
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...against what is my nature I was asked to be a warrior.
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Hi OrangeRay3,

For me to consider one to be a warrior i use only 1 qualification. It is whether one has the
courage to face themselves. You qualify.

The warriors i look for they do not fight. They use discernment, awareness, intuition,
experience, acceptance, self expression. patience, etc. They bring peace, harmony and
truth. Again you fit the profile. Of course you are much more, just a facet of your energy.
Thinking it over punk-rock and warrior feel compatible.
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My experience with conflict is that when I have tried to avoid it...it gets internalized and begins to fester within...then it comes out later its much worse than it needed to be if I had just addressed it in the moment. Through conflict and resolution we grow our bond of emotional intimacy with others...we learn to trust our bonds and ourselves...it is a path toward refinement and self esteem. The key is to see what you need to from the conflict either from your perspective or theirs and then integrate what you learn.All good! xo
 Quoting: OrangeRay3 394007


I agree, open communication is a fundamental process needed to heal and love, which is what this thread is about, yes?

I realize of course that I was harsh in my perception(s) about Lotus. But, this perception didn't just pop up out of nowhere yesterday. I've point blank asked Lotus in the past to explain in layman's terms many of the things she says (often in rote mode, or repeating the same tired phrases). I've asked her to give stories in allegorical form or metaphors or a parable or two, because I so frequently simply don't understand her form of communication. She has ignored my pleas and carries on as if I am not worth her explanation. She has said that most will not get the "milk of Christ's teachings" as her excuse, which to me, in this day and age, is a cop-out and an elitist way of being.

If Lotus were really here to help people come to understanding and gain compassion and thus become wise, she would bend over backwards to HELP. Because she spouts her own rhetoric instead of clarifying herself, it leads me to believe she is in this for herself and not for anyone else, while SAYING she is here to help others.

Point in fact is throwing everything a poster says to her or about her back into their face as a "root cause of conflict" within the poster. She takes no responsibility for having affected a response or reaction in the person with whom she "accuses" of having conflict. In other words, it's never HER who has caused emotions in others because she claims she is above emotions and perceptions.

How is it possible to not have a personal perception? Wouldn't that be a robotic life? It is hard for me to understand and I've asked her for clarification to no avail. And I have noticed over the months that I've been here on GLP that many many people have questioned her statements. She picks and chooses certain posters to share her "wisdom" and it seems this sharing is based on whether or not they agree with her and kiss her feet, so to speak. She claims that those with whom she shares her messages from God (her Abba) are worthy, which of course is judgmental and selective, and then she claims Jesus was the same way. How convenient. What a great way to shut people up.

And that's exactly what it is. A way to shut people up and build herself up into a demi-god. Haven't we had enough of this type of control? Lotus has just repackaged fundamentalism and sells it as New World Ministry. And it is very elitist, imo.

I'll communicate as best I can. As Lotus and OrangeRay says, this is a "two-way street". Lotus, however, has blocked the other lane too many times for me to believe that she really means that. On the other hand, I see many people on this thread and elsewhere acknowledge and provide traffic flow as if it IS a two-way street. My kudos to you all for your open-mindedness and heart-felt attempts to see all sides.
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My experience with conflict is that when I have tried to avoid it...it gets internalized and begins to fester within...then it comes out later its much worse than it needed to be if I had just addressed it in the moment. Through conflict and resolution we grow our bond of emotional intimacy with others...we learn to trust our bonds and ourselves...it is a path toward refinement and self esteem. The key is to see what you need to from the conflict either from your perspective or theirs and then integrate what you learn.All good! xo
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Coupled with the ability to express feelings through words, beautiful mix.

Definitely a OrangeRay3 day for me.
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OrangeRay3 ~

Thank you. Your words were just the fruit to wake up too. I was so happy I read them twice. Thank you. We really do understand one another, I feel. This is such a blessing!!!

AC 469767 ~

I can understand where you are coming from. I've called Lotus out on certain things I have disagreed with. Sometimes we arrived at an understanding and sometimes the understanding was that we were going to simply differ on our beliefs. At one point I was very angered by Lotus' approach. Then I noticed others were angered by my approach. I decided to then try to re-perceive Lotus' approach. A lot of what she says is multi-layered (I feel) and this style of communication, writing and other visuals, allows the "listener" to be the interpreter. Once I re-listened to Lotus' words I was able to see past the parts that would bother me and get to the heart of parts of her message. Those are the words I respond too.

But I understand the other approach as well. And I see where you are coming from. I am not sure if my solution will be a solution for you. But I present it for you to try if you would like?

Yes, I truly believe that there is love within everything. Sometimes this is so hard to see and even harder to share. But within, in that place of non-judgment, I continue to witness is everywhere :).

What I have gathered from interpreting many of Lotus' posts here and elsewhere is that Lotus believes God is All-That-IS. This, I keep at the front of my mind, when reading her posts.

So much love to you both, All, ONE!
O!
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O!
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Hi Lotus,

I see you posted a new thread today so you did not leave glp yet. I am guessing you feel forced to come here and read the posts. I see you are being tested, different posters share their perception of you and you do not answer. I am following what happens closely.
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AC 469767 ~

I can understand where you are coming from. I've called Lotus out on certain things I have disagreed with. Sometimes we arrived at an understanding and sometimes the understanding was that we were going to simply differ on our beliefs.
 Quoting: :)(:


No, according to Lotus, she has no beliefs. Therefore, this sets people up in a lose-lose situation, for if you express YOUR beliefs, she shuts you down with "I have no beliefs." How can you agree to disagree if the subject is off the table to begin with?

At one point I was very angered by Lotus' approach. Then I noticed others were angered by my approach. I decided to then try to re-perceive Lotus' approach. A lot of what she says is multi-layered (I feel) and this style of communication, writing and other visuals, allows the "listener" to be the interpreter. Once I re-listened to Lotus' words I was able to see past the parts that would bother me and get to the heart of parts of her message. Those are the words I respond too.
 Quoting: :)(:


Yes, you respond, and then she comes back and tells you what root problems you have no matter how you have responded. See, she sets it up that if you say ANYTHING in response, she will contradict you because of course what you say is a belief, and she has none. Of course saying she has no beliefs is a belief in and of itself. She also states that "perceptions" are not based on reality, so anything you perceive is considered false to her. See? This is a manipulation that goes around in circles. She keeps the reader confused.

Her one saying, "Love without integrity is like an ocean without fish." What does she mean by the use of the word integrity? What does she mean by "love"? Isn't her definition, whatever it is, a personal perception and belief based on a subjective interpretation? She perceives and tells us she does not. I feel she pretends she is a computer with stock answers that take no amount of feeling or mental consideration of what something might mean to you or me. She lacks compassion and yet demands that we love unconditionally. She puts conditions on the way we live and love, so it is difficult to rectify her claim of being unconditional. Do you see that?

But I understand the other approach as well. And I see where you are coming from. I am not sure if my solution will be a solution for you. But I present it for you to try if you would like?
 Quoting: :)(:


I diligently tried to (for instance) pretend I was back two-thousand years ago and finding myself in first contact with Jesus. I thought, well, I would hardly understand him at first either, so I must give him the benefit of the doubt. He would tell stories and give examples to try and clarify himself, so let's see if Lotus does this. I suspended all judgments and read her posts as if I was a neophyte listening to Jesus. It became quite clear, as stated earlier, Lotus is into raising herself up as a Prophet and Paraclete, and not trying to really raise awareness of Truth. It's as if she wants to be considered a Master but doesn't need to feed the multitude "this time around".


Yes, I truly believe that there is love within everything. Sometimes this is so hard to see and even harder to share. But within, in that place of non-judgment, I continue to witness is everywhere :).

What I have gathered from interpreting many of Lotus' posts here and elsewhere is that Lotus believes God is All-That-IS. This, I keep at the front of my mind, when reading her posts.

So much love to you both, All, ONE!
O!
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Lotus continuously lists her accomplishments and says she is a voice for God (her Abba), saying she worked hard to get where she's at. I've worked very hard, too, and am still working hard to understand and be all that I can be. I'm sure you've very hard, too, Allie. Why, then, does God speak to her and not you?

I'm sure God does speak to you. Why don't you brag about it? Isn't that an ego thing, that Lotus also swears she doesn't have? Who cares if she is The ONE except somebody who is feeding her ego? When Jesus was asked who he was, he answered, "Who do YOU think I am?" He was indicating that our perceptions are what we work from. We use our own power to determine what something or someone MEANS to us. But Lotus tells us how to think and what to think, and that our feelings are not based on integrity or in reality so they are false.

How patronizing is that? Is this love with integrity? Especially if she really believes that God is ALL there IS? If she believes that God is ALL there IS, then she wouldn't have to glorify herself as THE ONE who has to get the message out. She'd encourage us to know that we ARE one with God, and to know that that we can speak directly to God as well, and that we can HEAR God, too. No need for a middle man as in the Pope or Ministers or Prophets. It's what Jesus told his people two-thousand years ago. To go within. Why would He say that if He was the only one who could hear and interpret God's words?

I understand your loyalty, your patience, your peace-making qualities, and especially your love, Allie. It is pure and quite refreshing. I like to think and feel for myself, because I think God is within us all, me included. And, I'm within God. God has not forsaken me. I am not a lost soul. I am endowed with God's love, as are you...as is everybody. It is not exclusive. I think we definitely agree on this point. :-)

Thanks for listening..
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My experience with conflict is that when I have tried to avoid it...it gets internalized and begins to fester within...then it comes out later its much worse than it needed to be if I had just addressed it in the moment. Through conflict and resolution we grow our bond of emotional intimacy with others...we learn to trust our bonds and ourselves...it is a path toward refinement and self esteem. The key is to see what you need to from the conflict either from your perspective or theirs and then integrate what you learn.All good! xo


I agree, open communication is a fundamental process needed to heal and love, which is what this thread is about, yes?

I realize of course that I was harsh in my perception(s) about Lotus. But, this perception didn't just pop up out of nowhere yesterday. I've point blank asked Lotus in the past to explain in layman's terms many of the things she says (often in rote mode, or repeating the same tired phrases). I've asked her to give stories in allegorical form or metaphors or a parable or two, because I so frequently simply don't understand her form of communication. She has ignored my pleas and carries on as if I am not worth her explanation. She has said that most will not get the "milk of Christ's teachings" as her excuse, which to me, in this day and age, is a cop-out and an elitist way of being.

If Lotus were really here to help people come to understanding and gain compassion and thus become wise, she would bend over backwards to HELP. Because she spouts her own rhetoric instead of clarifying herself, it leads me to believe she is in this for herself and not for anyone else, while SAYING she is here to help others.

Point in fact is throwing everything a poster says to her or about her back into their face as a "root cause of conflict" within the poster. She takes no responsibility for having affected a response or reaction in the person with whom she "accuses" of having conflict. In other words, it's never HER who has caused emotions in others because she claims she is above emotions and perceptions.

How is it possible to not have a personal perception? Wouldn't that be a robotic life? It is hard for me to understand and I've asked her for clarification to no avail. And I have noticed over the months that I've been here on GLP that many many people have questioned her statements. She picks and chooses certain posters to share her "wisdom" and it seems this sharing is based on whether or not they agree with her and kiss her feet, so to speak. She claims that those with whom she shares her messages from God (her Abba) are worthy, which of course is judgmental and selective, and then she claims Jesus was the same way. How convenient. What a great way to shut people up.

And that's exactly what it is. A way to shut people up and build herself up into a demi-god. Haven't we had enough of this type of control? Lotus has just repackaged fundamentalism and sells it as New World Ministry. And it is very elitist, imo.

I'll communicate as best I can. As Lotus and OrangeRay says, this is a "two-way street". Lotus, however, has blocked the other lane too many times for me to believe that she really means that. On the other hand, I see many people on this thread and elsewhere acknowledge and provide traffic flow as if it IS a two-way street. My kudos to you all for your open-mindedness and heart-felt attempts to see all sides.
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We are all of value and all serve a purpose...yours was to be honest as you saw it and believe me my reactions of interfacing directly went from huh...ok...to wtf...to...ok I've had enough...and then I have to take emotional reactions...look at them...take what I need to for myself and then boom shove that mirror up...knowing it will usually come up against me...and very happy when it opens up into growth and love...it's a gamble...chance...a roll of the dice...something I cannot control but it is...in my experience the path to radical healing.Thank you for sharing with me on this journey! xo
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What comes before thought Darza?

Everything has a reason for being.

Hi Lotus,

Silence, inner-peace, happiness, bliss, freedom, identity, no-thingness, thoughtlessness,infinity,
aliveness, inspiration, intuition, personal knowing, being, intelligence etc.
No reasons needed, they exist independent of reasons.



Depends how you define reason.

For every effect has a cause.

Hi Lotus,

i recognize your point of view as being from the mind. It is the mind that needs definitions,
the mind that is addicted to the cause and effect rule, is limited to logic. My heart does not
need that, just to be is enough.

You like to sign with love. So what is the reason for love? Can you answer that with a valid,
objective, logical statement?



Hi Darza, just came into say goodbye to everyone. My heart tells me that it is time to move on from Godlikeproductions. If anyone wishes to contact me at anytime Wasayo has my email address.

My experience comes through the heart Darza so once again it comes back to perceptions and how one feels and sees through the heart. The soul is sentient and it is able to discern goodness and danger. The soul is wired to be discerning and Saturn in Virgo is all about discernment.

Cause and effect is part of your being, it is inherent in the soul. From experience we experience that physical reality is the barometer of balance -v- imbalance.

It is the mind that perceives that cause and effect is a rule. The heart knows that it is part of the being through the evidence of experience.

You speak of needs I healed mine.

Cause and effect is the being, it is the science of the being and the being is an intelligent design. Intelligence also comes from the heart now proven by science.

From experience of the heart the reason for love is to compel people into compassionate action. Its called Divine LOVE in manifestation on the earth plane. Love is also about co-creation and continuing the human race. Hence why divine love will do all it can to ensure that humanity is not destroyed or harmed.

Children are the supreme joy of human life.

Love beyond measure

Lotus

PS I will be available by PM until next month when the renewal is due.
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Hello, Lotus... and hello everyone here!

Very selfishly, I am sad to see you leave GLP, dear Lotus. I love and treasure everything you write and share with us all. I've left GLP many times... but I always come back. (wink)

Heya, everyone! I'm in what's called "North County San Diego" with my daughter, son-in-law, and two grandchildren. We're having the best good time!

We ran the streets of downtown Encinitas like little kids, laughing and playing ~ and we've been to the beach, got sunburned, and watched my family do boogie boarding.

I'm thinking of all of you, and I just want you to know that you are all my cyber-family... and I love you with all my heart.

Blessings and special joy to you, Lotus, as your heart and inner direction lead you. And yuppers, I do have Lotus Feet's email for those who wish to communicate with her... I know that I do!

Love you all madly,

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