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IS RUSSIA GOING BROKE? Kazakhstan Seizes Russia's Launch Facility at Baikonur Because Russia Can’t Pay Its Debts

 
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On March 7th, 2023, Kazakhstan seized control of the Biaterek launch complex at the Baikonur Cosmodrome – Russia’s main launch site since 1955. According to statements by KZ24 News and The Moscow Times, the Kakazh government has impounded Russian assets at the Center for Utilization of Ground-based Space Infrastructure (TsENKI), a subsidiary of Roscosmos. It is also preventing Russian officials from leaving the country or liquidating Roscosmos assets. This incident is another example of how Russia’s space program is suffering collateral damage from the war in Ukraine.

The decision was made because the Russian State company failed to pay its debts to the Kazakh government, which are now over 13.5 billion tenges (2.258 billion rubles; $29.7 million). This debt is part of the “Baiterek” program, a Kazakh-Russian joint venture related to the development of the Soyuz-5 booster. This program was created in 2005 to speed the transition from launch vehicles that rely on highly-toxic unsymmetric dimethylhydrazine (UDMH) – aka. “heptyl” fuel (C2H8N2) – and adopting ecologically safe propellants and launch practices.

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well, Kazakhstan have a death wish
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Well, Kazakhstan will be the next nation to apply for NATO membership thanks to Russian mafia don Putin's actions.
What a cheenious that Putin is... driving all these countries into the arms of the West by threatening them with annihilation.

What a shit hole of a country Russia is.
I guess they can continue pumping out criminals and prostitutes with which they flood the West.

R.
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programmed state department shills weighing in to great effect today.
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I think Kaz. is working with the US and this is an act of war.
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They are, and it is.

Russia will need to flatten them.
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That’s correct, comrade.

It’s what war mongering dictators do.
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Hahaa...yet the USA is using Kaz as a proxy
projecting again aren't ya? So where are you at
some boiler room in the USA or Izrel?
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Yeah they are going broke.

It's called fck around and find out.

And boy are they finding out, lmao
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The oligarch Oleg Deripaska has said Russia could run out of money by next year unless the country secures investment from “friendly” countries as western sanctions bite.

Deripaska, an energy and metals tycoon who was once Russia’s richest person, told an investment conference in Siberia on Thursday: “There will be no money already next year. We will need foreign investors.”
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What sucks for the gl0list caabbaal is that
many of us Americans are fully against you on your own
turf, and their ain't jackshit you can do about it,
if you try it's goodbye.
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globalist, satanic scum seem to be into this particular story. Would be shilled way harder if true, Kazakhstan can be subverted by the state department hydra traitors like Western "Democracies" have been subverted. Probably not true and more war propaganda from the usual shills.
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Yeah they are going broke.

It's called fck around and find out.

And boy are they finding out, lmao
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So…think Putin is going to take other gloves off soon?
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I think Kaz. is working with the US and this is an act of war.
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They are, and it is.

Russia will need to flatten them.
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That’s correct, comrade.

It’s what war mongering dictators do.
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Hahaa...yet the USA is using Kaz as a proxy
projecting again aren't ya? So where are you at
some boiler room in the USA or Izrel?
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What is your evidence that bad USA is using Kaz as a proxy?
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Yeah they are going broke.

It's called fck around and find out.

And boy are they finding out, lmao
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So…think Putin is going to take other gloves off soon?
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Maybe next winter.

But why one would remove gloves, in the winter, escapes me.
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Yeah they are going broke.

It's called fck around and find out.

And boy are they finding out, lmao
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So…think Putin is going to take other gloves off soon?
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Maybe next winter.

But why one would remove gloves, in the winter, escapes me.
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cruise
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Yeah they are going broke.

It's called fck around and find out.

And boy are they finding out, lmao
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So…think Putin is going to take other gloves off soon?
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Gloves are off.

When you are raiding museums for equipment to send to the front, that should tell you all you need to know.

Can't wait to see western tanks vs museum pieces.
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Priorities

Russia is fine, but they russia are trying to survive as a people and country, and they do not need what they do not need.
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Russia is more financially secure than the United States! But you ignorant clowns are delusional to the facts.
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Russia doesn’t print fake money to cover their debt. like the United States does.
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i think there's more to this story than the eye meets

30 million dollar of unpaid loans, are you fucking kidding me, that's peanuts, have you forgotten how the USA tryed a color revolution in that same country months ago which Russia squished within a day or so?!

this is probably just propaganda and the Kazak Government is doing this on the orders of America, but they know they can't push this forever
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Absolutely they rolled in and blasted the cia revolution in a weekend. Russia has probably the best foundation of any country to be financially solvent.
If payment isn’t being made it’s not because they can’t.
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Russia doesn’t print fake money to cover their debt. like the United States does.
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And that is what's gonna crush them.

The reserve currency is a fantastic privilege.
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Re: IS RUSSIA GOING BROKE? Kazakhstan Seizes Russia's Launch Facility at Baikonur Because Russia Can’t Pay Its Debts
Baikonur has been a major part of Russia's contribution to the International Space Station (ISS), as it is the only spaceport from which Russian missions to the ISS are launched.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

So how with this affect ISS supply and personnel transport missions?

Can SpaceX pick up the slack if Baikanour is shut down?
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That’s what I was wondering.

Baikonur Cismodrome is the only ISS shuttle launch facility that Russia has, isn’t it?
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No. There are 2 more spaceports.
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Russia is more financially secure than the United States! But you ignorant clowns are delusional to the facts.
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Link?
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Stop watching CNN!
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Famous American military bases in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan

Duckduckgo result.
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Re: IS RUSSIA GOING BROKE? Kazakhstan Seizes Russia's Launch Facility at Baikonur Because Russia Can’t Pay Its Debts
So you are telling me the Russkies care about the ISS?

Really?

No, really?

Didn't they just have to rescue AMERICAN astronauts from there? Stands to reason Murrica has more to lose than the Russkies, from this.

Also, how is Kazakhstan going to get their money back by 'impounding' these assets? They are gonna start launching satellites or something from Baikonur? LOL

It is either part of something MUCH bigger (Kazakhstan told by the US to do this) or Russia is just using it to renegotiate a cheaper deal, a discount (or for goods instead of for cash).
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Re: IS RUSSIA GOING BROKE? Kazakhstan Seizes Russia's Launch Facility at Baikonur Because Russia Can’t Pay Its Debts
On March 7th, 2023, Kazakhstan seized control of the Biaterek launch complex at the Baikonur Cosmodrome – Russia’s main launch site since 1955. According to statements by KZ24 News and The Moscow Times, the Kakazh government has impounded Russian assets at the Center for Utilization of Ground-based Space Infrastructure (TsENKI), a subsidiary of Roscosmos. It is also preventing Russian officials from leaving the country or liquidating Roscosmos assets. This incident is another example of how Russia’s space program is suffering collateral damage from the war in Ukraine.

The decision was made because the Russian State company failed to pay its debts to the Kazakh government, which are now over 13.5 billion tenges (2.258 billion rubles; $29.7 million). This debt is part of the “Baiterek” program, a Kazakh-Russian joint venture related to the development of the Soyuz-5 booster. This program was created in 2005 to speed the transition from launch vehicles that rely on highly-toxic unsymmetric dimethylhydrazine (UDMH) – aka. “heptyl” fuel (C2H8N2) – and adopting ecologically safe propellants and launch practices.

[link to www.universetoday.com (secure)]
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it was done so US can fly to ISS, since they can't deal with russians becasue of sanctions they can stil ldeal with kazachs. All smokes and mirrors for you perasants.
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LOL! GOOD! HOPE THEY GO BROKE!
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Baikonur has been a major part of Russia's contribution to the International Space Station (ISS), as it is the only spaceport from which Russian missions to the ISS are launched.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

So how with this affect ISS supply and personnel transport missions?

Can SpaceX pick up the slack if Baikanour is shut down?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82199237


That’s what I was wondering.

Baikonur Cismodrome is the only ISS shuttle launch facility that Russia has, isn’t it?
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No. There are 2 more spaceports.
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Specifically, which ones have launched ISS shuttle and resupply missions?
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29 million is a drop in the bucket to russia.

what's this really about??? this could be considered an act of war tbh
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Re: IS RUSSIA GOING BROKE? Kazakhstan Seizes Russia's Launch Facility at Baikonur Because Russia Can’t Pay Its Debts
Baikonur has been a major part of Russia's contribution to the International Space Station (ISS), as it is the only spaceport from which Russian missions to the ISS are launched.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

So how with this affect ISS supply and personnel transport missions?

Can SpaceX pick up the slack if Baikanour is shut down?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82199237


That’s what I was wondering.

Baikonur Cismodrome is the only ISS shuttle launch facility that Russia has, isn’t it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82879763




No. There are 2 more spaceports.
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Specifically, which ones have launched ISS shuttle and resupply missions?
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OK, found it.

Baikanur is the only Russian cosmodrome that does this.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

If they don’t pay their debts and get back to operating those at Baikanur, this might be a significant problem for the space station.

But who knows. Russia said they were bailing on it, so maybe that’s the plan.

Extortion maybe?
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They are, and it is.

Russia will need to flatten them.
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That’s correct, comrade.

It’s what war mongering dictators do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82879763


Hahaa...yet the USA is using Kaz as a proxy
projecting again aren't ya? So where are you at
some boiler room in the USA or Izrel?
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What is your evidence that bad USA is using Kaz as a proxy?
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Typical "feigned ignorance/innocence" nonsense from gl0balc@b@l agents.

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Re: IS RUSSIA GOING BROKE? Kazakhstan Seizes Russia's Launch Facility at Baikonur Because Russia Can’t Pay Its Debts
So you are telling me the Russkies care about the ISS?

Really?

No, really?

Didn't they just have to rescue AMERICAN astronauts from there? Stands to reason Murrica has more to lose than the Russkies, from this.

Also, how is Kazakhstan going to get their money back by 'impounding' these assets? They are gonna start launching satellites or something from Baikonur? LOL

It is either part of something MUCH bigger (Kazakhstan told by the US to do this) or Russia is just using it to renegotiate a cheaper deal, a discount (or for goods instead of for cash).
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No, a SpaceX shuttle had to rescue them because the Soyuz sprung a leak.
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Can't and won't are two different things.
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I can’t pay my mortgage.

I won’t pay my mortgage.

Either way, the result is the same. You lose your house.
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unless you blow the bank up abomb
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