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IS RUSSIA GOING BROKE? Kazakhstan Seizes Russia's Launch Facility at Baikonur Because Russia Can’t Pay Its Debts

 
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IS RUSSIA GOING BROKE? Kazakhstan Seizes Russia's Launch Facility at Baikonur Because Russia Can’t Pay Its Debts
On March 7th, 2023, Kazakhstan seized control of the Biaterek launch complex at the Baikonur Cosmodrome – Russia’s main launch site since 1955. According to statements by KZ24 News and The Moscow Times, the Kakazh government has impounded Russian assets at the Center for Utilization of Ground-based Space Infrastructure (TsENKI), a subsidiary of Roscosmos. It is also preventing Russian officials from leaving the country or liquidating Roscosmos assets. This incident is another example of how Russia’s space program is suffering collateral damage from the war in Ukraine.

The decision was made because the Russian State company failed to pay its debts to the Kazakh government, which are now over 13.5 billion tenges (2.258 billion rubles; $29.7 million). This debt is part of the “Baiterek” program, a Kazakh-Russian joint venture related to the development of the Soyuz-5 booster. This program was created in 2005 to speed the transition from launch vehicles that rely on highly-toxic unsymmetric dimethylhydrazine (UDMH) – aka. “heptyl” fuel (C2H8N2) – and adopting ecologically safe propellants and launch practices.

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Baikonur has been a major part of Russia's contribution to the International Space Station (ISS), as it is the only spaceport from which Russian missions to the ISS are launched.

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So how with this affect ISS supply and personnel transport missions?

Can SpaceX pick up the slack if Baikanour is shut down?
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On March 7th, 2023, Kazakhstan seized control of the Biaterek launch complex at the Baikonur Cosmodrome – Russia’s main launch site since 1955. According to statements by KZ24 News and The Moscow Times, the Kakazh government has impounded Russian assets at the Center for Utilization of Ground-based Space Infrastructure (TsENKI), a subsidiary of Roscosmos. It is also preventing Russian officials from leaving the country or liquidating Roscosmos assets. This incident is another example of how Russia’s space program is suffering collateral damage from the war in Ukraine.

The decision was made because the Russian State company failed to pay its debts to the Kazakh government, which are now over 13.5 billion tenges (2.258 billion rubles; $29.7 million). This debt is part of the “Baiterek” program, a Kazakh-Russian joint venture related to the development of the Soyuz-5 booster. This program was created in 2005 to speed the transition from launch vehicles that rely on highly-toxic unsymmetric dimethylhydrazine (UDMH) – aka. “heptyl” fuel (C2H8N2) – and adopting ecologically safe propellants and launch practices.

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well, Kazakhstan have a death wish
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Could be the end of Russia’s new Soyuz 5 rocket program.

Russia has already spent nearly $1 billion on the development of the new Soyuz-5 rocket and plans for its launch site and ground services. When Ars wrote about the rocket's development in 2017, it was slated to debut in 2021. Now it is unlikely to debut before at least 2024—and given the current dispute with Kazakhstan, it likely will be delayed much longer into the future.

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Re: IS RUSSIA GOING BROKE? Kazakhstan Seizes Russia's Launch Facility at Baikonur Because Russia Can’t Pay Its Debts
On March 7th, 2023, Kazakhstan seized control of the Biaterek launch complex at the Baikonur Cosmodrome – Russia’s main launch site since 1955. According to statements by KZ24 News and The Moscow Times, the Kakazh government has impounded Russian assets at the Center for Utilization of Ground-based Space Infrastructure (TsENKI), a subsidiary of Roscosmos. It is also preventing Russian officials from leaving the country or liquidating Roscosmos assets. This incident is another example of how Russia’s space program is suffering collateral damage from the war in Ukraine.

The decision was made because the Russian State company failed to pay its debts to the Kazakh government, which are now over 13.5 billion tenges (2.258 billion rubles; $29.7 million). This debt is part of the “Baiterek” program, a Kazakh-Russian joint venture related to the development of the Soyuz-5 booster. This program was created in 2005 to speed the transition from launch vehicles that rely on highly-toxic unsymmetric dimethylhydrazine (UDMH) – aka. “heptyl” fuel (C2H8N2) – and adopting ecologically safe propellants and launch practices.

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well, Kazakhstan have a death wish
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So you’re thinking that Putin will take the gloves off and threaten Kazakhstan with nukes unless they forgive Russia’s debt and delinquent payments?
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Thread: Russia’s Economy Is Starting to Come Undone

Not looking good when Russia can’t pay their bills and their main spaceport is shut down as a result.
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I think Kaz. is working with the US and this is an act of war.
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you can bet nato and us was behind that nothing to do with borat's home country lmao
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Can't and won't are two different things.
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I think Kaz. is working with the US and this is an act of war.
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Is that why Russia isn’t making their debt payments to Kazakhstan?
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I think Kaz. is working with the US and this is an act of war.
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They are, and it is.

Russia will need to flatten them.
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Only 29 million? That seems like chicken feed.
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Lol 30 million debt can be paid with less then a day in oil sales, highly doubt russia can't pay that
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I think Kaz. is working with the US and this is an act of war.
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Yes 100%. No one is talking about Kazakhstan. Largest border with Russia. Also borders China.

Russia knows what's up. Stiffing Kazakhstan has nothing to do with economics and everything to do with fuck you.
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Re: IS RUSSIA GOING BROKE? Kazakhstan Seizes Russia's Launch Facility at Baikonur Because Russia Can’t Pay Its Debts
i think there's more to this story than the eye meets

30 million dollar of unpaid loans, are you fucking kidding me, that's peanuts, have you forgotten how the USA tryed a color revolution in that same country months ago which Russia squished within a day or so?!

this is probably just propaganda and the Kazak Government is doing this on the orders of America, but they know they can't push this forever
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Can't and won't are two different things.
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I can’t pay my mortgage.

I won’t pay my mortgage.

Either way, the result is the same. You lose your house.
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i think there's more to this story than the eye meets

30 million dollar of unpaid loans, are you fucking kidding me, that's peanuts, have you forgotten how the USA tryed a color revolution in that same country months ago which Russia squished within a day or so?!

this is probably just propaganda and the Kazak Government is doing this on the orders of America, but they know they can't push this forever
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debts not loans, but you get what i mean, something stinks in this entire story
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I think Kaz. is working with the US and this is an act of war.
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Yes 100%. No one is talking about Kazakhstan. Largest border with Russia. Also borders China.

Russia knows what's up. Stiffing Kazakhstan has nothing to do with economics and everything to do with fuck you.

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Absolutely this. Why would you pay off your enemy especially when they stab you in the back as they have been doing.
Kh@zUSA = axis powers.
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I think Kaz. is working with the US and this is an act of war.
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They are, and it is.

Russia will need to flatten them.
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That’s correct, comrade.

It’s what war mongering dictators do.
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i think there's more to this story than the eye meets

30 million dollar of unpaid loans, are you fucking kidding me, that's peanuts, have you forgotten how the USA tryed a color revolution in that same country months ago which Russia squished within a day or so?!

this is probably just propaganda and the Kazak Government is doing this on the orders of America, but they know they can't push this forever
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debts not loans, but you get what i mean, something stinks in this entire story
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I think Kaz. is working with the US and this is an act of war.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85385885


Yes 100%. No one is talking about Kazakhstan. Largest border with Russia. Also borders China.

Russia knows what's up. Stiffing Kazakhstan has nothing to do with economics and everything to do with fuck you.

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Absolutely this. Why would you pay off your enemy especially when they stab you in the back as they have been doing.
Kh@zUSA = axis powers.
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it's obvious that the USA would like to stage a Color Revolution there, wherever possible on the borders of Russia

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All fun and games until Russia rolls south and take it.
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At this point, I'm pretty sure Russia knows its debts won't matter in a couple months.
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Putin is destroying russian economy and now he tries to start nuke war. putin insane
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Baikonur has been a major part of Russia's contribution to the International Space Station (ISS), as it is the only spaceport from which Russian missions to the ISS are launched.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

So how with this affect ISS supply and personnel transport missions?

Can SpaceX pick up the slack if Baikanour is shut down?
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That’s what I was wondering.

Baikonur Cismodrome is the only ISS shuttle launch facility that Russia has, isn’t it?
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All fun and games until Russia rolls south and take it.
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I don’t think Putin will be invading any more countries any time soon.
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At this point, I'm pretty sure Russia knows its debts won't matter in a couple months.
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yes, with USA becoming a new W eimar Republic

Putin is destroying russian economy and now he tries to start nuke war. putin insane
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they profiteering more than ever with oil sells, since they need to sell less oil to their partners across the World with higher oil prices than usually and 86% of World is with Russia

epiclol
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Keep trusting the MSM
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you can bet nato and us was behind that nothing to do with borat's home country lmao
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Of course they are behind this
Banned often
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and what does America do to their debtors?!

than bomb them to oblivion and submission, like Russia won't do the same if needed

same like they seize your house in such cases epiclol
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Re: IS RUSSIA GOING BROKE? Kazakhstan Seizes Russia's Launch Facility at Baikonur Because Russia Can’t Pay Its Debts
On March 7th, 2023, Kazakhstan seized control of the Biaterek launch complex at the Baikonur Cosmodrome – Russia’s main launch site since 1955. According to statements by KZ24 News and The Moscow Times, the Kakazh government has impounded Russian assets at the Center for Utilization of Ground-based Space Infrastructure (TsENKI), a subsidiary of Roscosmos. It is also preventing Russian officials from leaving the country or liquidating Roscosmos assets. This incident is another example of how Russia’s space program is suffering collateral damage from the war in Ukraine.

The decision was made because the Russian State company failed to pay its debts to the Kazakh government, which are now over 13.5 billion tenges (2.258 billion rubles; $29.7 million). This debt is part of the “Baiterek” program, a Kazakh-Russian joint venture related to the development of the Soyuz-5 booster. This program was created in 2005 to speed the transition from launch vehicles that rely on highly-toxic unsymmetric dimethylhydrazine (UDMH) – aka. “heptyl” fuel (C2H8N2) – and adopting ecologically safe propellants and launch practices.

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well, Kazakhstan have a death wish
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Well, Kazakhstan will be the next nation to apply for NATO membership thanks to Russian mafia don Putin's actions.
What a cheenious that Putin is... driving all these countries into the arms of the West by threatening them with annihilation.

What a shit hole of a country Russia is.
I guess they can continue pumping out criminals and prostitutes with which they flood the West.

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Re: IS RUSSIA GOING BROKE? Kazakhstan Seizes Russia's Launch Facility at Baikonur Because Russia Can’t Pay Its Debts
I think Kaz. is working with the US and this is an act of war.
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They are, and it is.

Russia will need to flatten them.
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That’s correct, comrade.

It’s what war mongering dictators do.
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incorrect, satan spawn, Russia is a democracy and was provoked into invading your nazis in ukraine, you globalist scum.





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