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You're telling the unbelievers to wake up? You're a Christian and yet you're deluded by the futurist deception, which teaches that the antiChrist hasn't already been revealed and that a "rapture" of the Church is imminent.

You have been deceived, along with the alleged "Christian" masses, by the Jesuit lie of futurism.

When you wake up in that despotic world government you warn about, realizing that you're still here on the earth, just remember the 50+ million Christians (also the bride of Christ) who were martyred by the man of sin, beast Papacy of Rome, for over a 1000 years.

That history is well-documented, but you and most other Christians have forgotten our brothers and sisters in Christ who loved not their lives unto the death for their denial of the false Roman Catholic, harlot religion.

The Papacy always has been and always will be the man of sin, son of perdition, antiChrist prophesied in the Bible.

It's time for you to wake up from your futurist delusion and prepare to be a living testimony for Christ, even to the point of death. That time is coming very soon, again, for Christians. I hope you don't value your temporal existence more than your eternal one. If you do, you will find yourself worshipping the false Christ (the Pope) and be none the wiser.
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No my deceived friend, I’m telling all to wake up especially those not in Jesus Christ as they are unknowing slaves and the only one who can free them from their bondage (bondage to and in an innate fear of death and eternal damnation, bondage in fear of worldly troubles facing humanity today, slavery to never having peace of mind that only God can give because of sin, slavery in lack of insight and understanding, slavery to sin killing the person physically and spiritually and keeping them separated from God) is Jesus Christ alone.

As to the Anti-Christ, it’s one person, not the Papacy of Rome. This is clearly scriptural and easily ascertained through scripture. It is a singular person whom Satan will embody and fully control, not a line of Popes as you presume.

The 7-year Tribulation is God’s judgment on the unrepentant and unbelieving revolving around God’s chosen from the OT who’ve forsaken Him and followed idols. Those who abide in Jesus Christ and are sealed by the Holy Spirit (who are one in Christ Jesus) are not under condemnation or judgment (Romans 8:1, John 3:18) nor appointed God’s wrath (1 Thessalonians 5:9) and therefore will not be here for this time period of judgment and wrath.

Jesus already took judgment and the wrath of God on the cross for those in Him. For the bride of Christ to experience the 7-year Tribulation would mean Jesus Himself would have to yet again experience what He did on the cross for us over again. This would also mean that the Holy Spirit who is God that we know embodies believers in Jesus Christ would also have to experience judgment and the wrath of God as well. We know this is not scriptural and untrue because scripturally God’s Word promises the exact opposite of what you claim above. This is precisely why the restrainer who is the Holy Spirit who embodies believers and the degree to which He holds back darkness and lawlessness is removed before the first seal is opened which is the Anti-Christ (who is a physical person and not the papacy of Rome for the last 1000 years) being revealed on the world stage.

It is time for people to study God’s Word and pray for discernment of His Word instead of continually being misled by false teachers of whom Jesus Christ Himself warned would ever increase in the last days. The one aim of Satan right now is to downplay and steal the hope of the blessed hope of God’s rescue of Christ’s bride. Why?

Because those who are taken are guaranteed salvation and the only aim of Satan is the ruination of souls eternally. Time to wake up and as Paul advised, encourage one another rather than remain deceived and spread lies stealing hope through vain misinterpretation of scripture.
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Imagine what I'm about to write in the most kind, but concerned, male voice that you can think of:

I'm sorry, but you actually have no idea how wrong you are, and what you're preaching is, in reality, leading people to their destruction.

God's wrath is not the same as tribulation. The millions of Christians who have been martyred, all the way back to Stephen, did not suffer the wrath of God. They suffered tribulation and loved not their lives unto the death for their testimony in Christ.

The lie of futurism was injected into the Church around 200 years ago. The Church prior to the 1800s would laugh at the futurist doctrine that ALL pastors today teach. Our pastors have lied to us for THAT long. They are ALL deceived, and they have deceived their congregations. You are a victim, as I was, of that deceit.

Can you name the specific scripture that is used by pastors to establish a seven-year peace treaty? The fact that you can't (I'm fairly certain) is proof that you don't realize exactly how completely unstable the pre-trib rapture doctrine is, or any rapture doctrine for that matter.
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You're right about no countries but wrong about BuyBull bullshit
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Imagine what I'm about to write in the most kind, but concerned, male voice that you can think of:

I'm sorry, but you actually have no idea how wrong you are, and what you're preaching is, in reality, leading people to their destruction.

God's wrath is not the same as tribulation. The millions of Christians who have been martyred, all the way back to Stephen, did not suffer the wrath of God. They suffered tribulation and loved not their lives unto the death for their testimony in Christ.

The lie of futurism was injected into the Church around 200 years ago. The Church prior to the 1800s would laugh at the futurist doctrine that ALL pastors today teach. Our pastors have lied to us for THAT long. They are ALL deceived, and they have deceived their congregations. You are a victim, as I was, of that deceit.

Can you name the specific scripture that is used by pastors to establish a seven-year peace treaty? The fact that you can't (I'm fairly certain) is proof that you don't realize exactly how completely unstable the pre-trib rapture doctrine is, or any rapture doctrine for that matter.
 Quoting: NoFriendOfTheWorld

No friend, it is you who have no idea how wrong you are about nearly everything you’ve typed in this thread! Quite astonishing actually how deceived you are and no idea who you’ve been listening to in order to make such claims. Most of what you assume is completely 100% antithetical to God’s Word and scripture supporting it doesn’t exist. You believe the Anti-Christ is a line of Pope’s dating back 1000 years. You deny the Harpazo which is a Holy act of God that has already taken place among various people as referenced Biblically including Jesus Himself. You claim the Rapture which is simply an English word defining the Harpazo which is Greek as doctrine coming about the last 200 years which is completely false.

Read the reply in the below link to realize how truly wrong you are and the falsities you’re regurgitating regarding the Rapture being modern heresy as you’re doing exactly what the enemy wants you to do, vomit and spread confusion based in lies, fact check it as well-

[link to www.city-data.com (secure)]


Paul spoke in Thessalonians to the church because of false teachers doing exactly what you’re doing in this thread (denying the Rapture which God told us to encourage one another regarding His blessed promise) or proclaiming that the Rapture had already happened hence his warning about the restrainer being removed (2 Thes. 2:7). The church was fully aware of the Rapture during Paul’s day and many were afraid they’d missed it due to false teachers sowing confusion.

I mean this in the kindest way, you’re deceived and very confused on multiple fronts regarding the Rapture and the identity of the Anti-Christ. You need to look up the Parable of the Wedding Feast and realize how God views those who are doing what you’re doing and turning away people from attending the wedding feast and Escaping with their literal lives in tote. I’d tread very lightly because you’re heavily confused judging from what you’ve typed in this thread. I think you mean well but scripture doesn’t line up with what you’re saying.

Lastly, as far as a 7-year peace treaty, I think you meant 7-year judgment which is referred to universally by eschatologists as the 7-year tribulation period where God judges the unrepentant and unbelieving before Christ takes His earthly throne in His millennial reign. It is the last week in Daniel’s 70 week prophecy which is 7 years in length and has yet to be fulfilled-

And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”
Daniel 9:27


The last 3.5 years of this period of judgment is also called Jacob’s trouble Biblically. It is the last half of this 7 year judgment period. Jesus refers to this time as-

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matthew 24:21

It is prophesied in Zephaniah as well among other parts of the Old and New Testaments-

That day will be a day of wrath— a day of distress and anguish, a day of trouble and ruin, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness— a day of trumpet and battle cry”
Zephaniah 1:15-16



I urge you to restudy scripture pertaining to the Rapture and realize this holy act of God that has happened in the past will happen again among millions and not because any of us deserve it but rather because we are obedient and believe in Jesus and His finished work on the cross which saved us from judgment and the wrath of God which is soon to come in what God says will be the worst time period on earth ever for humanity. Thank Jesus every second you can for what He did for you and I.

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Imagine what I'm about to write in the most kind, but concerned, male voice that you can think of:

I'm sorry, but you actually have no idea how wrong you are, and what you're preaching is, in reality, leading people to their destruction.

God's wrath is not the same as tribulation. The millions of Christians who have been martyred, all the way back to Stephen, did not suffer the wrath of God. They suffered tribulation and loved not their lives unto the death for their testimony in Christ.

The lie of futurism was injected into the Church around 200 years ago. The Church prior to the 1800s would laugh at the futurist doctrine that ALL pastors today teach. Our pastors have lied to us for THAT long. They are ALL deceived, and they have deceived their congregations. You are a victim, as I was, of that deceit.

Can you name the specific scripture that is used by pastors to establish a seven-year peace treaty? The fact that you can't (I'm fairly certain) is proof that you don't realize exactly how completely unstable the pre-trib rapture doctrine is, or any rapture doctrine for that matter.
 Quoting: NoFriendOfTheWorld

No friend, it is you who have no idea how wrong you are about nearly everything you’ve typed in this thread! Quite astonishing actually how deceived you are and no idea who you’ve been listening to in order to make such claims. Most of what you assume is completely 100% antithetical to God’s Word and scripture supporting it doesn’t exist. You believe the Anti-Christ is a line of Pope’s dating back 1000 years. You deny the Harpazo which is a Holy act of God that has already taken place among various people as referenced Biblically including Jesus Himself. You claim the Rapture which is simply an English word defining the Harpazo which is Greek as doctrine coming about the last 200 years which is completely false.

Read the reply in the below link to realize how truly wrong you are and the falsities you’re regurgitating regarding the Rapture being modern heresy as you’re doing exactly what the enemy wants you to do, vomit and spread confusion based in lies, fact check it as well-

[link to www.city-data.com (secure)]


Paul spoke in Thessalonians to the church because of false teachers doing exactly what you’re doing in this thread (denying the Rapture which God told us to encourage one another regarding His blessed promise) or proclaiming that the Rapture had already happened hence his warning about the restrainer being removed (2 Thes. 2:7). The church was fully aware of the Rapture during Paul’s day and many were afraid they’d missed it due to false teachers sowing confusion.

I mean this in the kindest way, you’re deceived and very confused on multiple fronts regarding the Rapture and the identity of the Anti-Christ. You need to look up the Parable of the Wedding Feast and realize how God views those who are doing what you’re doing and turning away people from attending the wedding feast and Escaping with their literal lives in tote. I’d tread very lightly because you’re heavily confused judging from what you’ve typed in this thread. I think you mean well but scripture doesn’t line up with what you’re saying.

Lastly, as far as a 7-year peace treaty, I think you meant 7-year judgment which is referred to universally by eschatologists as the 7-year tribulation period where God judges the unrepentant and unbelieving before Christ takes His earthly throne in His millennial reign. It is the last week in Daniel’s 70 week prophecy which is 7 years in length and has yet to be fulfilled-

And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”
Daniel 9:27


The last 3.5 years of this period of judgment is also called Jacob’s trouble Biblically. It is the last half of this 7 year judgment period. Jesus refers to this time as-

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matthew 24:21

It is prophesied in Zephaniah as well among other parts of the Old and New Testaments-

That day will be a day of wrath— a day of distress and anguish, a day of trouble and ruin, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness— a day of trumpet and battle cry”
Zephaniah 1:15-16



I urge you to restudy scripture pertaining to the Rapture and realize this holy act of God that has happened in the past will happen again among millions and not because any of us deserve it but rather because we are obedient and believe in Jesus and His finished work on the cross which saved us from judgment and the wrath of God which is soon to come in what God says will be the worst time period on earth ever for humanity. Thank Jesus every second you can for what He did for you and I.
 Quoting: Seek^


Prophecy is history told in advance. That is a basic truth and fact. As historical events took place over the centuries, the Church was able to delineate biblical prophecy based on those past events.

We have almost 2000 years of history behind us since the Lord's ascension. It's completely irrational and biblically unsound to believe that what He says must SHORTLY come to pass, in His Revelation (Revelation 1:1), won't take place until 2000 years into the future.

The early Church knew exactly who the antiChrist is/was, and they made it plainly known in their writings, and even in the 1560 Geneva Bible annotations. Their precious blood was shed for the fact that they knew and renounced the Popes of Rome and his harlot church.

If you deny that 100% verifiable fact, then you're just blind and willingly ignorant of the truth, sadly.

I agree that Paul was comforting the Thessalonians who were concerned that the "Day of the Lord" and "our gathering together with Him" had already come and gone. He comforted them by saying that THAT glorious day would not come until two events happened first.

Your pre-trib camp teaches that the church will be "raptured" before those two events occur (according to your futurist timeline), which lacks congruity within the pre-trib narrative.

Before the "gathering together" of 2 Thessalonians 2 or "harpazo;" of 1 Thessalonians 4:17 (same event) takes place, the man of sin must be revealed and there must be a great falling away. According to your doctrine, those events won't happen until AFTER the Church is raptured in the secret gathering. That simply does not agree with the scriptures.

That "gathering together" will not be a secret. It will occur at the Last trumpet and an event known as THE Resurrection. The dead and the living will rise to meet the Lord in the air.

I see you looked up the verses on the 7-year peace treaty that futurists claim will be signed by an unknown future antiChrist. Daniel 9:27 has absolutely zero to do with a future peace deal, treaty, judgment.

It has to do with the existing covenant Daniel mentions in his plea to God in Daniel 9:4; the everlasting covenant that God made with Abraham in Genesis 17.

Daniel 9:27 is about Christ coming to the earth (coming in the flesh) to fulfill his 7-year ministry, that last 70th week of Daniel. He was the one who was cut off, but not for Himself, in the middle of that week. He is the one spoken of in Daniel 9:27 who confirmed the covenant in His blood and who ended the need for daily sacrifices and oblations with His death (final sacrifice) on the cross.

It has nothing to do with a future mysterious man of sin...That's not even remotely possible.

The whole foundation for a future 7-year tribulation is based on that grossly interpreted verse in Daniel 9:27 (by our pastors for 200 years - taught by Jesuit seminaries).

Without realizing it, you teach a damnable heresy, which denies that Jesus came in the flesh and fulfilled that week. You claim He did not fulfill it and that a future evil guy will take credit for ending the daily sacrifice.

Nothing about the pre-trib rapture doctrine makes any sense whatsoever and it completely denies Jesus Christ's coming in the flesh.

"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction." 2 Peter 2:1

You'd better re-examine what you've been taught, and pray to the Holy Spirit to give you some eye salve so that you can see.

The events of Matthew 24 and the tribulation of those days are related to the time of Jacob's trouble for their rejection of Jesus as their Messiah. Their desolation came upon them within THAT generation just as Jesus said it would, in 70 A.D. No, that's not preterist doctrine. It's historicist truth, which is based on history and proper biblical exegesis. It's also what the early church taught.

Again, even the 1560 Geneva Bible annotations understood this fact because it lined up with history.

The abomination of desolation is not a single man as your pastor erroneously teaches, it was (As Luke 21:20 defines more clearly) when Jerusalem would be surrounded by armies (in 70 A.D.).

There is so much you think you know, just as I did when was deceived by the rapture doctrine, but you don't know how far off base you are.

If you want the truth, go to these sites and start from the bottom. If you belong to God, you will eventually take all of the info in as a big breath of fresh air.

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Prophecy is history told in advance. That is a basic truth and fact. As historical events took place over the centuries, the Church was able to delineate biblical prophecy based on those past events.

We have almost 2000 years of history behind us since the Lord's ascension. It's completely irrational and biblically unsound to believe that what He says must SHORTLY come to pass, in His Revelation (Revelation 1:1), won't take place until 2000 years into the future.
 Quoting: NoFriendOfTheWorld

Can you give me scriptural proof that "it's completely irrational and biblically unsound to believe that what He says must shortly come to pass" regarding His return? If you cannot which you can't, then you are falsely presuming and leaning on again what you've heard from misled, false teachers.

I on the other-hand can give you scripture that says that we are not only in the season for His return, He is at the door and opening it.

A generation in scripture is said to be 70-80 years.

The years of our life are seventy, or even by reason of strength eighty; yet their span is but toil and trouble; they are soon gone, and we fly away.
Psalm 90:10

Israel became a nation in 1948. The book of Revelation is predicated and centers around God's people of the OT who've forsaken Him, denied His Son and turned to idols as they did throughout the Old Testament. The book of Revelation is exactly 12,000 words which signifies the 12,000 from each tribe of Israel and by converting through belief in Christ who they've denied for the past 2000 years (as the 144,000 do and are sealed during the Great Tribulation), they are saved. Yet another clue from God on how to obtain salvation which is received by turning to Jesus Christ.

This is where Jesus' lesson on the fig tree and the future of Israel is foretold as the figs on the tree represent Israel.

“Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So also, when you see all these things, you will know that He is near, right at the door. Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened.
Matthew 24:32-34


We know that the time clock generationally started ticking once Israel became a nation. We are nearly 75 years in since Israel became a nation. Jesus can return at any moment. The Rapture you deny which is a proven act of God Biblically will happen and can happen at any moment. Those who are not watching such as yourself could be in danger of being left behind. We aren't just in the season, we are in the last second.

so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
Hebrews 9:28







The early Church knew exactly who the antiChrist is/was, and they made it plainly known in their writings, and even in the 1560 Geneva Bible annotations. Their precious blood was shed for the fact that they knew and renounced the Popes of Rome and his harlot church.

If you deny that 100% verifiable fact, then you're just blind and willingly ignorant of the truth, sadly.
 Quoting: NoFriendOfTheWorld

The early church was looking for a person as scripture clearly states it's a person, not a line of Popes. You can't provide scripture that the Anti-Christ is a line of Popes because it doesn't exist. God is not an author of confusion, you're sowing confusion from false interpretation you've picked up from some lost teacher and you're now parroting it.



I agree that Paul was comforting the Thessalonians who were concerned that the "Day of the Lord" and "our gathering together with Him" had already come and gone. He comforted them by saying that THAT glorious day would not come until two events happened first.

Your pre-trib camp teaches that the church will be "raptured" before those two events occur, which is an obvious proof of noance with what the Bible teaches.
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I've already given multiple scriptures as to why the bride of Christ is not under condemnation nor appointed wrath.

Your presumption above is based off misinterpreting the context of the scripture you're referencing as what Paul was talking about (2 Thessalonians 2:3) is the return of Jesus Christ in judgment, not God's removal of Christ's bride! Context is key friend. Paul was comforting those in the church who through false teachers thought they'd been left behind and were in the 7-year Tribulation period prophesied by Daniel. We know Paul is referring to Christ's return in judgment (where the bride of Christ is behind Him as they've already been Raptured 7 years prior and were in heaven for the wedding feast of the Lamb) because just 4 sentences after the above scripture, Paul states-

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


Again, the above is not about the Rapture which you falsely presume I and others who are aware of the Rapture point to in order to prove a Rapture.

The restrainer which is the Holy Spirit who embodies believers must be removed before the man (singular, a person, not a line of popes) of lawlessness who is the Anti-Christ may be revealed.


For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed
2 Thessalonians 2:7-8



Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.
Revelation 3:10


The bride is not here for judgment and the wrath of God during this time period because Jesus already took both on the cross for us. You're deceived.



Before the "gathering together" of 2 Thessalonians 2 or "harpazō" of 1 Thessalonians 4:17 (same event) takes place, the man of sin must be revealed and there must be a great falling away. According to your doctrine, those events won't happen until AFTER the Church is rapture in the secret gathering. That simply does not agree with the scriptures.

That "gathering together" will not be a secret. It will occur at the Last trumpet and an even known as THE Resurrection. The dead and the living will rise to meet the Lord in the air.
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Again, you're missing context here as I alluded to above. What you stated above is in regard to Christ's return (with the bride of Christ behind Him) in judgment at the end of the 7-year Tribulation where the bride has been in heaven all along for the wedding feast of the Lamb.


For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed

2 Thessalonians 2:7-8

I see you looked up the verses on the 7-year peace treaty that futurists claim will be signed by an unknown future antiChrist. Daniel 9:27 has absolutely zero to do with a future peace deal, treaty, judgment.

It has to do with the existing covenant Daniel mentions in his plea to God in Daniel 9:4; the everlasting covenant that God made with Abraham in Genesis 17.

Daniel 9:27 is about Christ coming to the earth (coming in the flesh) for his 7-year ministry, that last 70th week of Daniel. He was the one who was cut off, but not for Himself, in the middle of that week. He is the one spoken of in Daniel 9:27 who confirmed the covenant in His blood and who ended the need for daily sacrifices and oblations with His death (final) sacrifice on the cross.

It has nothing to do with a future mysterious man of sin...That's not even remotely possible.

The whole foundation for a future 7-year tribulation is based on that grossly interpreted verse in Daniel 9:27 (by our pastors for 200 years - taught by Jesuit seminaries).

Without realizing it, you teach a damnable heresy, which denies that Jesus came in the flesh and fulfilled that week. You claim He did not fulfill it and it a future evil guy will take credit for ending the daily sacrifice.
 Quoting: NoFriendOfTheWorld

Really can't say much about the above because it's so far gone interpretation-wise, just know that 98% plus of eschatologists and the Word of God itself wholeheartedly disagrees with everything you've stated in the above paragraph(s). You throw out so many false misinterpretations and back it with no scripture and you do this because what you prescribe scripturally is not found in scripture! Amazing isn't it?

How do you explain the below scripture of Daniel 9:26?

“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;


How is Jesus cut off after sixty-two weeks and also cut off mid-way through the 70th week as you claim above? It doesn't add up does it? No, it doesn't. What "after sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off" means is that His bride who is one in Him as one body in Christ will be cut off/removed for the remaining 7 weeks (7 years) of Daniel's 70 week prophecy which has yet to be fulfilled because that last 7 years is God's judgment on the unrepentant and unbelieving before Christ returns for his earthly millennial reign and is a time Jesus says will be the worst ever on earth.

Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”
Daniel 9:27


The above has yet to take place and is not referencing Jesus Christ and His time on earth. The end to sacrifice symbolizes all religions being forcefully ceased including the J^ish people and their daily sacrifices as Satan the accuser who is cast out of heaven for good, assumes bodily autonomy of the Anti-Christ puppet which is at the middle point of the 7-year Tribulation, and will force the Mark of the Beast and demand physical worship of all inhabitants of the earth at this time. What is poured out on the desolate is God's judgment and wrath and what makes them desolate is their open acceptance of the Mark of the Beast which by receiving makes them no longer a child of God.




Nothing about the pre-trib rapture doctrine makes any sense whatsoever and it completely denies Jesus Christ's coming int the flesh.

"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction." 2 Peter 2:1

You'd better re-examine what you've been taught, and pray to the Holy Spirit to give you some eye salve so that you can see.

The events of Matthew 24 and the tribulation of those days is related to the time of Jacob's trouble for their rejection of Jesus as their Messiah. Their desolation came upon them within THAT generation just as Jesus said it would, in 70 A.D. No, that's that preterist doctrine. It's historicist truth, which is based on history and proper biblical exegesis. It's also what the early church taught.

Again, even the 1560 Geneva Bible annotations understood this fact because it lined up with history.

The abomination of desolation is not a single man as your pastor erroneously teaches, it was (As Luke 21:20 defines more clearly) when Jeruss-salem would be surrounded by armies (in 70 A.D.).

There is so much you think you, just as I did when was deceived by the rapture doctrine, but you don't know how far off base you are.

If you want the truth, go to these sites and start from the bottom. If you belong to God, you will eventually take all of the info in as a big breath of fresh air.

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 Quoting: NoFriendOfTheWorld

And after reading this last part, good luck. The abomination of desolation as I stated above isn't one man and never claimed such but rather is the Mark of the Beast. Satan's aim is to mimic God and his goal is to inhabit our bodies as the Holy Spirit who is God inhabits believers in Christ. The Mark of the Beast will allow him to do so, this is the end game. We know our bodies are the temple of God and that God does not dwell is physical temples made by hand (Acts 7:48). Your issue friend is severe misinterpretation of scripture.

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The reason I’m still responding to you is because I think you honestly mean well and you’re just deceived and that’s ok. I just want to point out an example so that maybe you will rethink who you are listening to and where you are receiving your information.

I clicked on the link you provided above which led me to the person’s YouTube page. I randomly clicked one of the videos and listened. I moved the cursor up a bit to the 14 minute mark in a random video to hear the person speak and to get a feel for what message(s) to gauge where your viewpoint is stemming. Within 20 seconds of listening, the person speaking already falsely denies who the restrainer is and what scripture says about Him (referred to as He biblically as He is the Holy Spirit). Listen for yourself from 14 minutes on in the video below, listen for not a minute and a half and tell me any of that is Holy Spirit-inspired.






I can tell you plainly it’s not and the person speaking is deceived. A literal two second Google search could shed some light on what he’s hung up on and sadly misinforming people like yourself in the process. Removal of the restrainer is the Holy Spirit’s influence on holding back lawlessness and evil, not the removal of His presence entirely from earth.






“Supporting the idea that the Holy Spirit within the church is the restrainer is the fact that the restrainer is referenced both as a thing (neuter gender, verse 6) and as a person (masculine gender, verse 7). Also, the power delaying Satan’s masterplan to unveil his false messiah must be of God. It makes much more sense to say that the Holy Spirit is curbing the devil than a political entity or even an angel. The Holy Spirit of God is the only Person with sufficient (supernatural) power to do this restraining.

Of course, the Spirit works through believers to accomplish this. The church, indwelt by the Spirit of God, has always been part of what holds society back from the swelling tide of lawless living. At some point, Paul says, the Spirit will “step aside” from His restraining work, allowing sin to have dominion over mankind. Second Thessalonians 2:7 can be literally rendered, “The secret of lawlessness is already working, only it cannot be revealed until he who now withholds disappears from the midst.” We believe this “disappearing from the midst” will happen at the time the church leaves the earth at the rapture. The Holy Spirit will still be present in the earth, of course, but He will be taken out of the way in the sense that His unique sin-restraining ministry—through God’s people—will be removed (see Genesis 6:3).”

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NoFriendOfTheWorld, from the 14:00 minute mark through the 16:37 video mark in the link of the video above I provided from the YouTube page you advised me to check out, here it is again-




Listening a little bit further for a full 2 minutes and 37 seconds to the 16:37 mark, you’ve parroted nearly everything that guy has said in this thread down to your mentioning of the stoning of Stephen. Unreal.

You’re deceived friend, sorely deceived by people who have no idea what they’re talking about and who are clearly not led by the Holy Spirit. Unbelievable how quickly people can be deceived. Stop listening to people like this and seek God first and ask the Holy Spirit to help you understand. Consider your sources and test them by the word of God itself. Pure deception through vain misinterpretation from people who love to hear themselves talk over a microphone to poor souls who will listen.

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Seek, you literally parrot, like you said, 98% of pastors today who preach exactly what you are preaching, and it's all completely false. You think because the futurist doctrine has been mainstream for the past 200 years that it's the authoritative interpretation, but it's not.

The early church preached the opposite of futurism. They knew who the antiChrist was. They understood the four prophesied beast kingdoms (like most do) to be Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and FINALLY (Lastly) Rome.

Well Rome did not fall in 476 A.D. and die. Pagan Rome fell in 476 A.D. and then morphed into Papal Rome (The Holy Roman Empire). Babylon (Rome/Papacy) is the last kingdom that will be destroyed at Christ's return, and it still reigns over the kings of the earth TODAY.

The evil one has succeeded in deceiving the whole world, including you and all 98% of the preachers you parrot, into believing in a future man of sin and futurist timeline of eschatology.

Just a few points. A generation, according to the Bible is more like 40 years, not 70. See Numbers 32:13 and Deuteronomy 2:14. That's not even debated in the Bible world.

Jesus said "this generation" when speaking to the religious leaders of His day almost a dozen times, and each time was clearly understood to mean that living generation and not some future generation 2000 years into the future.

That's a fable that the futurist delusion accommodates.

Lastly, because there is so much error in everything you posted, I will address the restrainer.

You have been deceived into believing that nonsense. If the Holy Spirit were the restrainer, there is absolutely NO reason for Paul NOT to come right out and say so plainly.

The restrainer he was referring to was the Roman Caesars, the ones who had temporal power in Jesus' day. Had Paul mentioned names or titles in his epistles, he would have invited persecution from Rome.

Once the Caesars were "taken out of the way," the last one being Romulus Augustus in 476 A.D. , that led to the rise in power of the Bishops/Popes of Rome.

Once they came to power, that "seat" of the Papacy is what presided over the persecution, torture, and slaughter of 50+ million true Christians at the hands of the man of sin.

And that is where you and the 98% contemporary majority fall short. You don't know history, especially of the Church, and you have forgotten God's saints.

You wrongly designate that kind of tribulation, which is a guarantee for Christians, even by Christ Himself, as the wrath of God. Tribulation is not God's wrath, plain and simple.

The 1st and 2nd century Christians expected the rise of the man of sin, and knew exactly what it would mean for the Empire of pagan Rome to come to its demise at some point future to them. They even said prayers for the preservation of Rome for that reason.

Have you not read Tertullian, the 2nd century Christian author? This is from part of a prayer that he recorded in his work regarding "Christian loyalty to the Emperor."

Read and understand their prayer.

XXXII
"There is also another and a greater necessity for our offering prayer in behalf of the emperors, nay, for the complete stability of the empire, and for Roman interests in general. For we know that a mighty shock impending over the whole earth—in fact, the very end of all things threatening dreadful woes—is only retarded by the continued existence of the Roman empire. We have no desire, then, to be overtaken by these dire events; and in praying that their coming may be delayed, we are lending our aid to Rome’s duration. More than this, though we decline to swear by the genii of the Cæsars, we swear by their safety, which is worth far more than all your genii."

That "mighty shock" and "dreadful woes" is referring to the rise of the Popes to temporal power in place of the caesars. They knew what was coming, and so did Paul, which is why Paul says in verse 5, "Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?"

"And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time." verse 6

"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way" verse 7

Did you catch that? he who NOW letteth..." The mystery of iniquity, the man of sin, son of perdition was "NOW," meaning AT THAT TIME being restrained from receiving power until the last Caesar of Rome was deposed in 476. In other words, the future guy that you're expecting to show up at sometime in OUR future, was not being restrained in the 1st century. It's those little words in scriptures that always throw a big monkey wrench in lies like the ones pushed by futurists.

I know your pastor will never teach you that, but you're hearing it here and now. If you choose to continue being deceived, that's on you.

Like you may have heard in some of those videos, once you take off your church glasses, you will be able to see the truth.

You think I'm deceived and deluded, and I KNOW for a fact that you are deceived and deluded with the rest of the masses.

I'm sorry, but to say that because 98% of the Christian world believes something is proof that it must be true is actually a detriment to your position.

You have followed the multitude to do evil in corrupting the Word of God and perpetuating the lies of futurism, which again, denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

Get out of your church, now, before it's too late. They are Roman Catholic, the lot of them; whether they're Baptist, Methodist, Non-denominational, etc.. it doesn't matter. They're all the same, full of lies.

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You have followed the multitude to do evil in corrupting the Word of God and perpetuating the lies of futurism, which again, denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

Get out of your church, now, before it's too late. They are Roman Catholic, the lot of them; whether they're Baptist, Methodist, Non-denominational, etc.. it doesn't matter. They're all the same, full of lies.
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Futurism is defined as interpreting portions of the book of Revelation, Ezekiel, and Daniel as future events, color me guilty.

It's incredible the names and labels Satan has come up with to deceive, confuse, and profane the holy Word of God and sow confusion. It reminds me of people today claiming that those who obey Christ's commandments are guilty of prescribing to "works-based" salvation. Beyond foolish and so foolish it's not even worth addressing. It's so sad how far some are from God and how twisted they've made the simplicity which is Christ Jesus and His message.

But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:3


Your statement above claiming that because I believe future events as prophesied in the books Revelation, Ezekiel, and Daniel will unfold in the future as scripture clearly states, I therefore deny Jesus Christ came in the flesh falls directly into that category.

You are so far gone and no amount of explanation of basic scripture will seemingly change your warped view and interpretations of God's Word, your responses only bring one word to mind and that is "cult". The Holy Spirit is far from the links you provided and the people in them and judging from you responses in this thread, far from you as well. You're severely deceived my friend. I will pray for you and wish you the very best.
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You have followed the multitude to do evil in corrupting the Word of God and perpetuating the lies of futurism, which again, denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

Get out of your church, now, before it's too late. They are Roman Catholic, the lot of them; whether they're Baptist, Methodist, Non-denominational, etc.. it doesn't matter. They're all the same, full of lies.
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Futurism is defined as interpreting portions of the book of Revelation, Ezekiel, and Daniel as future events, color me guilty.

It's incredible the names and labels Satan has come up with to deceive, confuse, and profane the holy Word of God and sow confusion. It reminds me of people today claiming that those who obey Christ's commandments are guilty of prescribing to "works-based" salvation. Beyond foolish and so foolish it's not even worth addressing. It's so sad how far some are from God and how twisted they've made the simplicity which is Christ Jesus and His message.

But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:3


Your statement above claiming that because I believe future events as prophesied in the books Revelation, Ezekiel, and Daniel will unfold in the future as scripture clearly states, I therefore deny Jesus Christ came in the flesh falls directly into that category.

You are so far gone and no amount of explanation of basic scripture will seemingly change your warped view and interpretations of God's Word, your responses only bring one word to mind and that is "cult". The Holy Spirit is far from the links you provided and the people in them and judging from you responses in this thread, far from you as well. You're severely deceived my friend. I will pray for you and wish you the very best.
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No, you won't pray for me because Pharisees don't pray for others. I know what it's like to be you, though; 20 years ago I was adamant that my futurist views were correct because my pastor told me so, and my very minimal knowledge and understanding of the Bible was just enough to puff me up.

I used to dogmatically preach a pre-wrath rapture, though, as the pre-trib rapture theory is only for those who are fearful of physical death.

Regarding obedience, you are the type who believes that "your" obedience attains God's favor, which is why you're a pharisee.

My obedience to God is not my own. I am only able to obey Him because He has written His law on the fleshy tables of my heart. My sabbath and rest is in the blood of Jesus Christ, the vail, and not my own works.

I'm sorry, but you'll just have to either learn the hard way, or one day, God will give you a nice spiritual slap over the head and bring you to your senses.

I've done my part, though.

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You have followed the multitude to do evil in corrupting the Word of God and perpetuating the lies of futurism, which again, denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

Get out of your church, now, before it's too late. They are Roman Catholic, the lot of them; whether they're Baptist, Methodist, Non-denominational, etc.. it doesn't matter. They're all the same, full of lies.
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Futurism is defined as interpreting portions of the book of Revelation, Ezekiel, and Daniel as future events, color me guilty.

It's incredible the names and labels Satan has come up with to deceive, confuse, and profane the holy Word of God and sow confusion. It reminds me of people today claiming that those who obey Christ's commandments are guilty of prescribing to "works-based" salvation. Beyond foolish and so foolish it's not even worth addressing. It's so sad how far some are from God and how twisted they've made the simplicity which is Christ Jesus and His message.

But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:3


Your statement above claiming that because I believe future events as prophesied in the books Revelation, Ezekiel, and Daniel will unfold in the future as scripture clearly states, I therefore deny Jesus Christ came in the flesh falls directly into that category.

You are so far gone and no amount of explanation of basic scripture will seemingly change your warped view and interpretations of God's Word, your responses only bring one word to mind and that is "cult". The Holy Spirit is far from the links you provided and the people in them and judging from you responses in this thread, far from you as well. You're severely deceived my friend. I will pray for you and wish you the very best.
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No, you won't pray for me because Pharisees don't pray for others. I know what it's like to be you, though; 20 years ago I was adamant that my futurist views were correct because my pastor told me so, and my very minimal knowledge and understanding of the Bible was just enough to puff me up.

I used to dogmatically preach a pre-wrath rapture, though, as the pre-trib rapture theory is only for those who are fearful of physical death.

Regarding obedience, you are the type who believes that "your" obedience attains God's favor, which is why you're a pharisee.

My obedience to God is not my own. I am only able to obey Him because He has written His law on the fleshy tables of my heart. My sabbath and rest is in the blood of Jesus Christ, the vail, and not my own works.

I'm sorry, but you'll just have to either learn the hard way, or one day, God will give you a nice spiritual slap over the head and bring you to your senses.

I've done my part, though.
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No, I will pray for you because you’re beyond lost. Everything you’ve accused me of and assumed of me is completely false. I also don’t go to church and don’t have a pastor. I pray for discernment regarding scripture and everything for that matter, I don’t listen to 60 year-olds on Youtube with a couple hundred subscribers who are completely lost themselves. You will know them by their fruits and your tone and the way you speak prove without a doubt you’re not being led by the Spirit. What you’ve been fed is lies from people who like to hear themselves talk to the few lost people who will listen such as yourself friend that scripturally are very easily proven to be false. Good luck to you and I will pray for you.
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You have followed the multitude to do evil in corrupting the Word of God and perpetuating the lies of futurism, which again, denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

Get out of your church, now, before it's too late. They are Roman Catholic, the lot of them; whether they're Baptist, Methodist, Non-denominational, etc.. it doesn't matter. They're all the same, full of lies.
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Futurism is defined as interpreting portions of the book of Revelation, Ezekiel, and Daniel as future events, color me guilty.

It's incredible the names and labels Satan has come up with to deceive, confuse, and profane the holy Word of God and sow confusion. It reminds me of people today claiming that those who obey Christ's commandments are guilty of prescribing to "works-based" salvation. Beyond foolish and so foolish it's not even worth addressing. It's so sad how far some are from God and how twisted they've made the simplicity which is Christ Jesus and His message.

But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:3


Your statement above claiming that because I believe future events as prophesied in the books Revelation, Ezekiel, and Daniel will unfold in the future as scripture clearly states, I therefore deny Jesus Christ came in the flesh falls directly into that category.

You are so far gone and no amount of explanation of basic scripture will seemingly change your warped view and interpretations of God's Word, your responses only bring one word to mind and that is "cult". The Holy Spirit is far from the links you provided and the people in them and judging from you responses in this thread, far from you as well. You're severely deceived my friend. I will pray for you and wish you the very best.
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No, you won't pray for me because Pharisees don't pray for others. I know what it's like to be you, though; 20 years ago I was adamant that my futurist views were correct because my pastor told me so, and my very minimal knowledge and understanding of the Bible was just enough to puff me up.

I used to dogmatically preach a pre-wrath rapture, though, as the pre-trib rapture theory is only for those who are fearful of physical death.

Regarding obedience, you are the type who believes that "your" obedience attains God's favor, which is why you're a pharisee.

My obedience to God is not my own. I am only able to obey Him because He has written His law on the fleshy tables of my heart. My sabbath and rest is in the blood of Jesus Christ, the vail, and not my own works.

I'm sorry, but you'll just have to either learn the hard way, or one day, God will give you a nice spiritual slap over the head and bring you to your senses.

I've done my part, though.
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No, I will pray for you because you’re beyond lost. Everything you’ve accused me of and assumed of me is completely false. I also don’t go to church and don’t have a pastor. I pray for discernment regarding scripture and everything for that matter, I don’t listen to 60 year-olds on Youtube with a couple hundred subscribers who are completely lost themselves. You will know them by their fruits and your tone and the way you speak prove without a doubt you’re not being led by the Spirit. What you’ve been fed is lies from people who like to hear themselves talk to the few lost people who will listen such as yourself friend that scripturally are very easily proven to be false. Good luck to you and I will pray for you.
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I won't keep this going much longer, but I can't help but to point out, once again, that you keep insinuating that going with the majority is the WAY to go.

Be wary taking that kind of stance. Going with the crowd is what gets Christians in trouble.

Remember what Jesus said in Matthew 7:13-14?

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

I truly hope that is not where you take any portion of your comfort from; standing in the crowd of deceived youtube preachers with millions of subscribers who surround themselves as those in 2 Timothy 4:3.

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;"

I'm sorry to break it to you, but that 98% of preachers who preach what you preach, which is "smooth doctrine" that is pleasant to the ears, are the ones described in that verse, along with those like you who seek them out.

I love you, buddy. I love you enough to tell you the hard truth that you don't like. That is true love. And I really do hope God knocks some spiritual sense into your head.

He made me stubborn enough not to be affected by people like you in a bad way. I just tell it like it is. If you're a sheep of God, you will eat the food no matter how it's presented to you. So eat up, or don't. God's will be done.

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and that all “world leaders” shake hands behind closed doors and are waiting for the Anti-Christ to be revealed to the world after Christ’s bride is removed, things will begin to make more sense.

And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Revelation 17:12

When you realize that everything is in place for the Anti-Christ and the Rapture can and will take place in an instant and the landscape of the world and those left behind will be forever changed with a despotic world government that you will have to pledge your eternal soul to in order to eat and drink, things will begin to make sense.

When you wake up in the morning and flip on Fox News or any other news channel for that matter to hear the latest on Trump or Musk or any of the other faces they’ve purposefully put in the mainstream to distract and keep your mind off God filling you with fear and worry, things will begin to make sense.

When you realize the fight is not between countries but between good and evil and between those who are in Jesus Christ and protected versus those who are not and controlled demonically unbeknownst to them, things will begin to make more sense.

When you realize you’re not warring against other people but rather demons that inhabit them who they’ve willingly given control over regarding their thoughts, minds, and actions under delusion they’re “in control” and whose demonic strongholds are only strengthened through further sinning by the individual, things will begin to make more sense.

When you realize the magnitude of what we’re facing regarding mankind as a whole and that many souls are lost and need Jesus Christ as He is the only one who can protect and save them, things will begin to make more sense as to what the end goal is here and the finite time we actually have left.

You’re in a war of which the wheat are being separated from the tares and you (your thoughts, mind, heart, eternal salvation, peace in all things, protection from the demonic and their influence etc) are either protected by the blood of Jesus Christ or you’re not. If you’re not through unbelief and/or sin, you are cannon fodder and are an open vessel for the demonic to inhabit and control. If they were to fool 1/3 of all angels in Heaven to rebel in the presence of God, how much simpler for the fallen to deceive you who are not covered under the protection of God?

Walking around today not abiding in Christ Jesus is like walking around Normandy during WWII or any other battlefield in an intense firefight where you’re blindfolded and walking into the enemy. Not wise. Wake up, one of their greatest weapons is lulling you to sleep through various mediums regarding the reality you’re facing.



If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

John 15:6
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Sigh man. There is no antichrist like you think will be legit. Rather you have been sold this dualistic bullshit of christ/antichrist as has been so many generations of christians and muslims so you are all primed like a pump for them to hegelian dialectic you when they trot out an actor playing the "antichrist" and you all will just fall in line like schoolchildren breathlessly pointing and saying "see I knew it its just like pastor davis said and the pneu testament said"

and you will be more predictable then ever. No stupid AI needed. No quantum computers, just a long game of hegelian dialectic that spans over a thousand years

And whats the cherry on top? They have convinced these generations to embrance idolatry of a mangod as the solution

Call out to, trust in, worship the mangod jchrist and he will save you from the anti-jchrist.

Its not the world leaders "shaking hands behind closed doors
". It the jchrist/antijchrist dualistic apocalyptic bs that are marionettes but you and all the catholic/protestant/muslim generations before you have embraced wholeheartedly and died on their deathbed calling out to an idol on their lips

You think you know, but you are only one of a long line of fiddles played masterfully by more intelligent more organized humans.

Why does God let this happen?

Because you are an idolater of a mangod. Just like Caesar was worshipped just like Pharaoh was worshipped just like nearly every culture with a bigwig at the top that one day wakes up and so utterly predictably fancies himself "a god"...a "mangod".

Meanwhile you think you got it all figured out while you are merely in a dream of dream
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Sigh man. There is no antichrist like you think will be legit. Rather you have been sold this dualistic bullshit of christ/antichrist as has been so many generations of christians and muslims so you are all primed like a pump for them to hegelian dialectic you when they trot out an actor playing the "antichrist" and you all will just fall in line like schoolchildren breathlessly pointing and saying "see I knew it its just like pastor davis said and the pneu testament said"

and you will be more predictable then ever. No stupid AI needed. No quantum computers, just a long game of hegelian dialectic that spans over a thousand years

And whats the cherry on top? They have convinced these generations to embrance idolatry of a mangod as the solution

Call out to, trust in, worship the mangod jchrist and he will save you from the anti-jchrist.

Its not the world leaders "shaking hands behind closed doors
". It the jchrist/antijchrist dualistic apocalyptic bs that are marionettes but you and all the catholic/protestant/muslim generations before you have embraced wholeheartedly and died on their deathbed calling out to an idol on their lips

You think you know, but you are only one of a long line of fiddles played masterfully by more intelligent more organized humans.

Why does God let this happen?

Because you are an idolater of a mangod. Just like Caesar was worshipped just like Pharaoh was worshipped just like nearly every culture with a bigwig at the top that one day wakes up and so utterly predictably fancies himself "a god"...a "mangod".

Meanwhile you think you got it all figured out while you are merely in a dream of dream
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Instead of offering opinion backed with nothing, can you verify with scripture? Enlighten me.

I’ll wait.
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Sigh man. There is no antichrist like you think will be legit. Rather you have been sold this dualistic bullshit of christ/antichrist as has been so many generations of christians and muslims so you are all primed like a pump for them to hegelian dialectic you when they trot out an actor playing the "antichrist" and you all will just fall in line like schoolchildren breathlessly pointing and saying "see I knew it its just like pastor davis said and the pneu testament said"

and you will be more predictable then ever. No stupid AI needed. No quantum computers, just a long game of hegelian dialectic that spans over a thousand years

And whats the cherry on top? They have convinced these generations to embrance idolatry of a mangod as the solution

Call out to, trust in, worship the mangod jchrist and he will save you from the anti-jchrist.

Its not the world leaders "shaking hands behind closed doors
". It the jchrist/antijchrist dualistic apocalyptic bs that are marionettes but you and all the catholic/protestant/muslim generations before you have embraced wholeheartedly and died on their deathbed calling out to an idol on their lips

You think you know, but you are only one of a long line of fiddles played masterfully by more intelligent more organized humans.

Why does God let this happen?

Because you are an idolater of a mangod. Just like Caesar was worshipped just like Pharaoh was worshipped just like nearly every culture with a bigwig at the top that one day wakes up and so utterly predictably fancies himself "a god"...a "mangod".

Meanwhile you think you got it all figured out while you are merely in a dream of dream
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Instead of offering opinion backed with nothing, can you verify with scripture? Enlighten me.

I’ll wait.
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Exodus 23:13 (such as your favorite mangod idol)
13 “Be careful to do everything I have said to you. Do not invoke the names of other gods; do not let them be heard on your lips.


Deuteronomy 13
13 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known)[like mangods] “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. YHWH your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is YHWH your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against YHWH your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way YHWH your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from YHWH your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.


Numbers 23:19
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

Deuteronomy 11:16 (such as your favorite mangod idol)
Take care not to be lured away to serve other gods and bow to them.
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Seinfelds = rats

Never trust anything Seinfeld.

That includes religion.
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Exodus 23:13 (such as your favorite mangod idol)
13 “Be careful to do everything I have said to you. Do not invoke the names of other gods; do not let them be heard on your lips.


Deuteronomy 13
13 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known)[like mangods] “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. YHWH your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is YHWH your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against YHWH your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way YHWH your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from YHWH your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.


Numbers 23:19
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

Deuteronomy 11:16 (such as your favorite mangod idol)
Take care not to be lured away to serve other gods and bow to them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85458381

Warning of the Anti-Christ and the entire world system being aligned and geared to welcome him is not making him an idol, it's the opposite and we are commanded to warn people of what's coming and to expose evil because we know many will be left behind and lost.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
Ephesians 5:11



We know the Anti-Christ is a man through various scriptures such as-

Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.”
2 Thessalonians 2:3


and not an angel nor some political entity because specific and personal details are given regarding this person who will be Satan incarnate in the flesh. Your scriptures above are laughably out of context.


What does any of what you posted above prove about the Anti-Christ that you claim doesn't exist and isn't coming in the future and what does cherry-picking random scripture from the Old Testament completely out of context prove?

Absolutely nothing.
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Exodus 23:13 (such as your favorite mangod idol)
13 “Be careful to do everything I have said to you. Do not invoke the names of other gods; do not let them be heard on your lips.


Deuteronomy 13
13 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known)[like mangods] “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. YHWH your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is YHWH your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against YHWH your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way YHWH your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from YHWH your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.


Numbers 23:19
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

Deuteronomy 11:16 (such as your favorite mangod idol)
Take care not to be lured away to serve other gods and bow to them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85458381

Warning of the Anti-Christ and the entire world system being aligned and geared to welcome him is not making him an idol, it's the opposite and we are commanded to warn people of what's coming and to expose evil because we know many will be left behind and lost.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
Ephesians 5:11



We know the Anti-Christ is a man through various scriptures such as-

Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.”
2 Thessalonians 2:3


and not an angel nor some political entity because specific and personal details are given regarding this person who will be Satan incarnate in the flesh. Your scriptures above are laughably out of context.


What does any of what you posted above prove about the Anti-Christ that you claim doesn't exist and isn't coming in the future and what does cherry-picking random scripture from the Old Testament completely out of context prove?

Absolutely nothing.
 Quoting: Seek^


You didn't comprehend the original post about the anti-jchrist/antichrist.

Not the anti-jchrist, the jchrist you worship as God. THats the idol. Fancying any man a god/demigod/mangod

There is no legit antichrist, but there will be someone trotted out by the smarter more organized human to make you think "aha thats the antichrist", but it is just because they know that the pneu testament has people like you programmed generationally to "expect the antichrist"

You will be played like a fiddle by these people that know exactly how you tick and it will be effortless for them to manipulate you

Again, what is even more is they have taught generations that the "solution" to the fake antichrist they will trot out is the same as how you overcome lusting and how you get to a greek mythological heaven. Idolatry
Worshiping the jchrist mangod idol

So they got you fearing something they will manufacture and sell you a bs solution for your entire existence

mangod idolatry through irrational doctrines based on non-torah texts that tell you "Oh yeah its totally cool to worship a mangod (jchrist).

Even though the real scriptures the torah TOTALY FORBID IT. They forbid even saying the names of idols like jchrist is.





GLP