Is The Rapture in 2 Thessalonians 2:3?

-Kate-,

You know why Satan did away with the 7 day Sabbath? Because we are instructed to PREPARE for each Sabbath, not work on that day and not cause others to work. That does not mean to not help people that was said by Yahshua.

Point is.....God’s people are always told to prepare throughout scripture, that in itself destroys the rapture doctrine.

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The word "without" in this verse means outside, and refers to the outer court of the Gentiles. This verse does not mean the Temple will not be built:

Revelation 11: 1 I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.
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He is wrong. 2 Thess 2:1 Is the harpazo/rapture/gathering to Christ. 2 Thess 2:3 is a prerequisite before the harpazo.

I have been preparing for the second exodus btw, I didn’t even realize I was up until a couple of months ago. Watching the news in our world made me want to prep. God sometimes does this to us, makes us do things we don’t understand. I worked on my camper all last summer, I even put a wood stove in it. Also bought a bunch of food, rice, beans etc....

Then He slowly revealed the second Exodus to me. No one told me about it, I was led by God in all of this. Amazing!

Christ did not abolish the Law (which is ineffective in achieving righteousness before God) or make it unholy when he introduced a better Law through the New Covenant.

However, if the Isrealis (who are still under the Law) do not observe the Law (by not worshiping in the Temple and offering sacrifices there when they can), then they become intentional sinners before God.

On the other hand, while those who observe the law are not considered willful sinners, they still remain unrighteous of the everlasting reward that only the New Covenant of Christ can give.

Thus, until God removes the spiritual blindness in the eyes of the Isrealis that prevents them from accepting Christ' gospel, they are expected to fulfill the Law by worshipping in the Temple.

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It's also in 1 Thess 4:17, not hard unless you're feigning
ignorance ;)...

"Greek word from this term “rapture” is derived appears in 1
Thessalonians 4:17, translated “caught up.”

The Latin translation of this verse used the word rapturo.
The Greek word it translates is harpazo, which means to
snatch or take away.

Elsewhere it is used to describe how the Spirit caught up
Philip near Gaza and brought him to Caesarea (Acts 8:39)
and to describe Paul’s experience of being caught up into
the third heaven (2 Cor. 12:2-4).

Thus there can be no doubt that the word is used in 1
Thessalonians 4:17 to indicate the actual removal of people
from earth to heaven.

***Editor's Note: The Latin Vulgate actually used a
different form of the same verb-- "Rapiemur" instead of
"Rapturo." The point and connections Ryrie is making remain
the same.***"

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The laws weren’t abolished, they were fulfilled by Yahshua, meaning He showed us how to walk them out like He did. And we can do it with the spirit. If we do trip, because we have a battle with our flesh, we have His Grace and forgiveness through Him with YHWH Father.

I just watched this last night. No coincidence I’m sure.

Heaven & Earth are still Here!



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What I've witnessed in trying to spread the word and make clear basic scripture regarding the Rapture of those sealed and in Christ are people who clearly and emphatically despise scripture pointing out God's blessed promise to remove His bride which is incredible to me. You see it in their speech, you see it in their tone, you see it in their fruits or lack thereof. Satan truly has blinded the minds of so many to this glorious rescue of those in Christ around the corner through vain teachings and demonic influence. One would think people would take the advice of the apostle Paul and be overjoyed with the exciting news and encourage others and build one another up with this blessed hope to what's ahead as we truly are in the last seconds.

Instead, we have people spreading the good news being vehemently attacked, being ex-communicated from churches, refusal of churches to speak of the coming Rapture of the bride (which is the most important subject-matter facing all of humanity), endless ad hominem attacks and personal attacks as well as even threats online from supposed believers toward other believers who are simply spreading the good news. The only hypothesis I've come up with is that these attacks are perpetrated from both obvious shills who do their best to sow confusion and distract which of course is demonically inspired in nature but also the thought for some of a sudden removal of the bride of Christ and God's judgment immediately taking place on those left behind stirs the demons in people and frightens those with one foot still in the world hence the vitriolic outbursts.

The Parable of the Wedding Feast prophesies exactly what we're all witnessing today regarding these attacks, God's Word is truly alive and never returns void.



The Parable of the Wedding Feast

And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said: “The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son, and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come. Again, he sent out other servants, saying, ‘Tell those who are invited, “See, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and fatted cattle are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the wedding.” ’ But they made light of it and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business. And the rest seized his servants, treated them spitefully, and killed them. But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.’ So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests.

“But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment. So he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless. Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

“For many are called, but few are chosen.”

Matthew 22: 1-14

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He is wrong because you say what you always say and will not hear anything else

and that settles all things

sayeth you.


You did not address anything of the subject of the thread- the meaning of the word apostasia, the so-called "falling away."

Are you willing to address the subject of this thread

or do you just insists on repeating what you have already said countless times that is not relevant to this thread

because you are possessed by animus or something?


Could it be possible that the Greek word apostasia, as is most often translated "falling away" in English,
is better translated and understood as "departure"?


Or is suddenly every word in every English translation perfect now as is?!

Or do you simply refuse to examine and consider this?


Everyone is different.

You decide for you

or you refuse to for you.

Jesus knows.

He is wrong because the harpazo happens in 2 Thess 2:1 not in 2 Thess 2:3

2 Thess 2:3 is a prerequisite to the harpazo or as you call it the rapture.

The rapture cannot be a prerequisite to the rapture.

There are two prerequisites mentioned before the gathering to Christ.

1) Falling away
2) Man of sin be revealed.

Also as someone else mentioned, apostasia is only mentioned one other time in the New Testament in Acts 21:21 and it means forsake in that instant.

The word departure is translated in the New Testament in other places but it always means leaving as in 1 Tim 4:1 which is the departing from the faith Paul did talk about in 2 Thess 2:3 as a prerequisite to the harpazo.



2 Thess 2:1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,

2 Thess 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Acts 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the (People of 4th son of Israel) which are among the (nations) to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to (take foreskin) their children, neither to walk after the customs.

1 Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

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Yes the amount of uncalled-for nastiness, lying, actual hatred, and sheer stupidity is definitely a bit scary. But those of us who believe what the Lord has preached and promised can see through the lies because we have the truth within us.
Some of these people are so evil that they know all this, but their aim is to serve their master Satan. They know they are going to hell and they literally want to drag as many souls down with them as they can.
They pose as Christians, but the masks soon come off and we can see them for what they really are.

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RAPTURE or RAGE - Will the Believing be Leaving, or Grieving? (a teaching on apostasia)

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Exactly correct.

These pre-trib cultists will even change the subject matter of a verse to suit their tickling ear fantasy.
[They act dumb when they KNOW what it says]

It's shameful the way that they handle the Word of God .. and they will pay for their deliberate disregard for the Word.

No prophecy is of any private interpretation:

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

Interestingly, 'depart' or 'departed' are words used hundreds of times in the scriptures.

NEVER are they translated as 'apostacy'.

Apostacy is a falling away from the faith, NOT a departure.

when did man invent the rapture?

what exactly does it mean to you?