Is The Rapture in 2 Thessalonians 2:3?

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I truly am sorry Kate that you’ve been so deceived and misguided through false interpretations from false teachers, the removal of Christ’s bride before God’s judgment and wrath is scripturally sound and is a promise from God repeated throughout the Old and New Testaments. I do feel your heart is in the right place which is the only reason I’m responding to you.

The bride of Christ is one in Christ meaning they are bestowed as in marriage to one another and are therefore in one body with Jesus as the head. Those in Christ Jesus (who is God) sealed by the Holy Spirit (who is God) are not under condemnation or judgment (Romans 8:1) and are not appointed to wrath (1 Thessalonians 5:9) as Jesus Christ took both judgment and wrath on our account on the cross. Knowing God is the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, do you now see why judgment and wrath from the Father on individuals who are in Jesus Christ (who is God) sealed by the Holy Spirit (who is God) makes absolutely no sense? It makes no sense because it’s not scriptural and among a plethora of other scriptural proofs, the bride is absent from God’s wrath and judgment during the 7-year Tribulation.

I’m preparing and encouraging people to make the Rapture, claiming I have blood on my hands is ridiculous and absurd.

We are not appointed this time period of judgment on earth but will be rescued before the worst 7 years in human history commences on earth. You should be encouraged with His blessed promise that is coming instead of spreading lies and possibly putting other’s salvation at risk through complacency. What you espouse above is scripturally impossible if you only look.

Last Edited by Seek^ on 02/05/2023 01:58 PM

i don't see the word rapture in these words

can you please find the word RAPTURE

Second Exodus prophesied in Revelation 12.

1260 days is the 3.5 years of Satan’s control of the earth, war on mankind. If we follow God’s instructions, we will be protected during that time.

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Revelation 12
King James Version
12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

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Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

Last Edited by Achduke7 on 02/05/2023 11:44 AM

It’s not in there, the doctrine cherry picks scripture about the resurrection at the end of tribulation.

It speaks nothing of the "secret rapture of the church". The falling away is better described as a rebellion, and the restrainer in the first century (and among the church fathers) was always thought to be the Roman Empire. Which is why Paul never physically mentioned Rome, but instead said "you remember what I told you". Had Paul physically mentioned in scripture of a revolt agains the Roman Empire, he (or the early church in Rome) would have been tried for treason, on top of the persecution they were already facing.

What does that have to do with today? The restrainer is civil government. The governments around the world are currently restraining the Antichrist from taking power. Once the "rebellion" takes place and the governments around the world fall, the Antichrist will then come forth to take his throne, instill false peace, and will be worshiped as the savior by the unbelievers and those who are not of the elect.

Do a search on "Rapture Books" in the search engine. Look how much money the charlatans are making on spreading a false doctrine. Over 20 pages of books on Amazon alone.

Easter is not in scripture either, but Passover is!

Passover
Date (2023)

Evening of Wed, Apr 5, 2023 - Evening of Thu, Apr 13, 2023

God’s people left Egypt during Passover, the fig tree parable by Yahusha backs up that tribulation starts in the spring.

The way things are going today in our world, I’d be prepared to go on a long camping trip this Passover.

What to watch for, an altar set up and then shut down in Jerusalem leading up to Passover.

Study feast of tabernacles - Sukkot, that’s instructions for the Second Exodus!

We may only have a couple months left.

Also, find people in your area that do Sukkot!

Yes I should expect that you and your ilk would know, seeing as how you have been busy lying and slandering us for a long time now.

Well to be fair, KJV did translate it as Easter in Acts 12:4, which completely show the bias of the translators since the word was Pasach or passover. Everywhere else they translated it as passover.

Last Edited by Achduke7 on 02/05/2023 12:09 PM

He knows.

I do not believe an alter needs to be set up. I think the prophecy in Daniel is misunderstood. Our bodies are the temple of God.

That’s happening at the end of His 1000 year reign, the judgment. The second resurrection of all that died during tribulation.

The only thing that had me stumped for a while was Matthew 24:40, one taken, one left, when that happens. But I’ve since come to understand it is the harvest on judgment day.

Things will continue on like Egypt did, we live in “spiritual Egypt” today, says so in scripture. So people will continue to try to operate during the tribulation, think covid restrictions and lockdowns. The punishments of God will happen, these are not the day of YHWH yet.

But when Yahusha returns, the only people rescued off the earth that will reign with Him are the ones in the camps of the righteous (first fruits) protected by the 144000. The ones that didn’t obey instructions, probably the rapture crowd, will be killed along with the wicked on YHWH’S day of judgment.

God does not go back on His promises, the deceived rapture crowd that Love Yahshua are His sheep still and will be saved in the end.

It’s the Harvest on judgment day.

Why would Christ show up a 2nd time if he is already here during the 1000 year reign?

It’s in Matthew though and Yahshua tells us to read Daniel.

Matthew 24:15
New King James Version
The Great Tribulation
15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),

What is the abomination that of desolation? It is not well defined.

I think only first fruits are with Him up until judgment day. He’s comes only one time. After tribulation.

I’m not sure, but that’s when Yahusha told us to flee. Their coming after God’s people, so I’d take the warning serious!

Rev 20:4 says it is more then the first fruits.

Rev 20:4-6 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

How can there be a holy place if there is no Temple? As per Exodus 3:5, a holy place is where God's worshipers are required to take of their sandals or footwear. This is not currently done in Isreal, and is not required or mandatory even in synagogues.

Also if the Temple or holy place referred to are the bodies of the saints and not a literal place in Isreal, then what does Christ mean when he said to flee Judea when they see the abomination that causes desolation standing in the holy place?

Matthew 24: 15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Last Edited by The Opened Scroll on 02/05/2023 12:53 PM

This IS NOT about the WORD RAPTURE.

Despite the usual hysteria, this thread is about the meaning of the word apostasia.

The Greek word apostasia is generally translated as apostasy and "falling away," which is then taken to mean a falling away from the faith.

The question here is whether the word and its meaning would be better translated as "departure."

Deal with that.


2Thessalonians 2:3

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,


If what is generally understood as "falling away" instead better means "departure"

then 2Thessalonians 2:3 might actually be the clearest declaration of the Rapture.

Of course, this will likely change nothing for anyone's opinion

but may be even more confirmation for those that believe the Pre-Tribulation Rapture to be true.

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Is he wrong?

If so, how so?

Address the issue.

Otherwise, you are nothing but demonic attack.

The resurrected Saints since the beginning, Noah, Moses, all the Disciples since creation, yes there will be many!

Issac, Jacob, Joseph, Job.....Adam and Eve! So exciting!

All the Prophets of God!

I believe this correction is further evidence that the Pre-Trib Rapture understanding is correct, as I have always posted more than anyone in all of your threads.

I don’t think a temple needs to be built when we read this.

Revelation 11:2
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.