Is The Rapture in 2 Thessalonians 2:3?

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WHERE DID THE SECRET RAPTURE ORIGINATE?

  It wasn't until the early or mid 1800's that there was any significant group of believers around the world that looked for a "rapture" of the Church prior to a seven-year tribulation period. The "secret rapture" teaching was NOT taught by the early Church, it was NOT taught by the Church of the first centuries, it was NOT taught by the Reformers, IT WAS NOT TAUGHT BY ANYONE (except a couple Roman Catholic theologians) UNTIL ABOUT THE YEAR 1830!

    The Roman Catholic Church had to come up with a view of prophecy to counter the Historic view of prophecy that the Reformers had used to identify the Church of Rome as the ‘little horn’ and the Harlot of Revelation 17.

    This new scheme of prophetic interpretation became known as FUTURISM....  It was a Jesuit priest named Ribera who, in the days of the Reformation, first taught that all the events in the book of Revelation were to take place literally during the three and a half years reign of the Antichrist away down at the end of the age.

     Later, Emmanuel Lacunza, also a Jesuit priest, built on Ribera's teachings, and spent much of his life writing a book titled "The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty." Lacunza, however, wrote under the assumed name of "Rabbi Ben Ezra," supposedly a learned get lost who had accepted Christ as his Saviour; he did this so that the unsuspecting Protestants would accept his book; for the Protestant world then wanted nothing from a Jesuit. His book was published in 1812.
   
     Now enter the name of Edward Irving. Born in Scotland in 1792, Irving discovered Lacunza's book and fell in love with it, translated it into English, and it was published in London in 1827. Then Irving began to hold Bible Conferences throughout Scotland, emphasizing the coming of Jesus to rapture His Church.
   
     Later,  J.N. Darby then was introduced to the "secret rapture" doctrine by the Irvinites (Followers of Edward Irvin), as well as the famous book by Rabbi Ben-Ezra [Jesuit priest Emmanuel Lacunza]! Darby was himself a prolific writer and from that time a constant stream of propaganda came from his pen. His writings on biblical subjects number over 30 volumes of 600 pages each. Darby developed and organized "futurism" into a system of prophetic teaching called "dispensationalism."
   
      The Secret Rapture teaching was introduced into the United States and Canada between the 1840's and 1870's.  A Congregationalist preacher by the name of C. I. Scofield came under the influence of Darby and the Plymouth Brethren. Scofield became a strong promoter of the teaching that had been promulgated by Darby, whom he considered "the most profound Bible student of modern times." He incorporated this teaching into his SCOFIELD REFERENCE BIBLE. Three million copies were published in the first 50 years! Through this Bible Scofield shrewdly carried the teaching of the Secret Rapture into the very heart of Evangelicalism.

      There is one final link in the chain of the development and spread of the rapture theory that should be mentioned in passing.  Scofield and Darby influenced D. L. Moody, and Moody influenced the early PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT. How? you ask. The Assemblies of God is today by far the largest Pentecostal denomination in the world. In 1914 they ordered their Sunday School and study materials from the Moody Press. So the Assemblies of God believed what the Moody Bible Institute taught, which included the "Secret Rapture".


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This is so clear and simple.

Rest of the article is edifying

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This is simply about the meaning of the word in translation.

Here is the evidence.

If you want it...

Tell me denier of God’s holy promise scripturally to remove His bride, what did Jesus mean below when He said two men will be in the field and one will be taken and the other left? What about two women grinding at the mill and one will be taken while the other left?

Would love to hear your response.




Why would Jesus reference the below as the “coming of the Son of Man”? Why would He describe this state of the world as being “as the days of Noah” where people will be eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage and partying (like today)?

Would love to hear your response.



What do you think the physical landscape of the world will look like when all seven vials of God’s wrath are poured out upon the earth?

For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Thessalonians 5:9

Would love to hear your response.



Do you think most will be marrying and giving in marriage, eating and drinking when those who will be able to eat or drink legally will be forced to have the mark of the beast, will be under mind control and will be enduring horrible and painful judgments from God?

But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.

Matthew 24: 37-41




Are you starting to realize why your non-scriptural premise isn’t lining up? The pre-tribulation Rapture of Christ’s Bride is very real, is alluded to and repeated over and over again throughout the Old and New Testaments and is a promise of God in the end days to Escape the worst judgment ever of mankind on earth.



Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Luke 21:36


Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Revelation 3:10

Last Edited by Seek^ on 02/05/2023 01:19 AM

Not true.

The word rapture and the satanic rapture doctrines exists no where in the Greek Hebrew or Aramaic.

It is only the perverting of the Latin translation that enables such deceit

Do you argue against the meaning of a word

without ever addressing the meaning of the word?

That would indicate prejudice, bias, and animus.

You truly are an agent of Satan whether you realize it or not. I lean toward you typing all of this purposefully to mislead, you’re not interested in any truth. Most everything you speak here on the subject is an abject lie.



Definition: Harpazo
v.
1. to seize, carry off by force
2. to seize on, claim for one’s self eagerly
3. to snatch out or away
~ from Thayer’s (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

In the Greek New Testament, the word harpazo is found a total of 17 times in 13 different verses. Each time harpazo is used this verb refers to a quick or sudden often violently physical “snatching away” or “catching away” of a person, a thing, or an idea. More important is the fact that in 5 of these 17 times harpazo is used in the New Testament harpazo ALWAYS refers to the literal physical (bodily) removal of a faithfully righteous human being from one place to another, or from one sphere of existence to another. The 5 times harpazo is used involving faithfully righteous people are when:
1. Philip is harpazo’d from the presence of the Ethiopian eunuch to a different location miles away (see Acts 8:39, AKJV)
2. Paul is harpazo’d from the Earth to the Third Heaven (see 2 Corinthians 12:2, AKJV)
3. Paul is harpazo’d from the Earth to the Third Heaven; second reference (see 2 Corinthians 12:4, AKJV)
4. Bride of Christ is harpazo’d from the Earth to the clouds to meet Her Groom (Christ Jesus) in the air (see 1 Thessalonians 4:17, AKJV); the understanding here is that the Bride will be taken to Heaven to be with Her Groom
5. Christ Jesus is harpazo’d from Bethany near the Mount of Olives to His Throne in Heaven (see Revelation 12:5; cf. Luke 24:50-51; Acts 1:9; AKJV)
Each one of the above five supernaturally powerful acts of the Holy Spirit by which literal bodily removals of humans either from one place to another on Earth or from off of this Earth to Heaven proves that the Rapture is a biblically sound doctrine. In fact, the English words Rapture and Raptured actually are derived from the Latin verb rapio (catch up or take away), and rapio is used in the Latin Vulgate Bible (also referred to as The Vulgate).

Last Edited by Seek^ on 02/05/2023 12:55 AM

What deceit.

The word rapture never meant departure.

The satanic rapture doctrines are of the Jesuits and wolves goats and decived Rapturists

These have been helpful to me. Prophecies for End Times.



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Harpazo has nothing to do with the satanic rapture doctrines.

Bless you.

Agreement level Amen.

Lord let the satanic rapture doctrines be exposed world wide to the entire visible body bride church as the lies they are. And in power and Your authority with consequence for all who are decived and especially deceiving Your sheep . Amen YAHshua

You are deeply decived OP.

The pretrib satanic rapture doctrines are the easiest to refute.

There is no secret return of the Lord. Especially prior to the great tribulation

Sure it does my agent of Satan.



Believers who doubt that the idea of a Rapture is in their English translations of the Holy Bible need to understand that it is from the Greek New Testament manuscripts that St. Jerome, scholar/translator, originally renders the Latin rapiemur (the first person plural future passive indicative tense of rapio) from the Greek harpagesometha (the first person plural future passive indicative tense of harpazo). Furthermore, in the English versions of 1 Thessalonians 4:17, rapiemur has been translated from Latin into English as either “we shall be snatched,” or “we shall be grabbed,” or “we shall be carried off,” and so forth. Similarly, harpagesometha has been translated from Greek into English as “we shall be caught up” or “we shall be taken away,” etc. Moreover, as already mentioned, with every Latin and English translation of harpagesometha the meaning of this Greek verb always connotes a catching or taking that will be a violent, sudden event!

The point to this brief grammar lesson is that, as far as the meaning and tense of the Latin word rapiemur are concerned, this word is in agreement with the Greek word harpagesometha, since rapiemur and harpagesometha are the same tense and they both mean the same thing—a sudden and physical withdrawal; a seizing; a snatching, and so forth. So then, there can be no denying that English words like rapt, raptly, raptness, rapture, raptured, rapturous, rapturously, rapturousness, raptor, and so on, undisputedly are derived from rapio’s verb forms such as rapere, rapui, raptus, rapiemur, rapturo, and etc. Moreover, since rapio’s verb forms are accurate translations of the Greek harpazo’s verb forms, then it doesn’t matter if someone uses the AKJV’s “caught away” or “caught up” or if he/she uses the word “raptured,” or “snatched away,” or “taken up,” or “plucked,” or “taken by force,” and so forth, because they all mean the same thing—a very sudden nonconsensual seizure.

Thus, language in this case shouldn’t be used as a barrier to understanding a concept that most definitely is found in the Word of God—that concept being the Rapture. Put differently, the Greek, Latin, and English words used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 all describe exactly how quickly the living Bride of Christ’s fleshly Body will be removed from this Earth and how fast that fleshly Body will be changed into a spirit Body, so it doesn’t matter if one particular English word is or isn’t in the English version of the Holy Bible someone is using. What should matter most is whether the concept of a Rapture is in the Word of God. Based on the words used in the ORIGINAL language of the New Testament, which is Greek, the concept of a Rapture most definitely is in the Word of God.

Last Edited by Seek^ on 02/05/2023 01:09 AM

We dont argue over scripture we search it out and come into agreement over it. Sure there are things in the word that can only be unveiled by much study and prayer to God.

And then there is the milk of the word that even young child can easily grasp.

When is all of scripture finally fulfilled, before the book of revelation? Or after the scripture of revelation is fulfilled unto its last day?
These are things a child can understand, and are literally uttered from the mouth of babes. The Lord comes in the end, on His appointed day He prophesied.

An Exposition of the New Testament by John Gill 1748-63 references and uses the word Rapture, Paradise Lost by John Milton in 1667 references and uses the word Rapture, A Display of Heraldry by John Guillim 1610 references and uses the word Rapture, 1526 Pilgrimage of Perfection by William Bonde uses the word Rapture, Polychronicon by Ranulf Higdon contains references to and usages of the word Rapture, Chronicle of Troy by John Lydgate 1412-1420 uses the word Rapture, Vernon Manuscript of 1400 has the word Rapture in it, The Latin Vulgate 405BC has the word Rapture in it.

I could go on. This is not some new, novel interpretation of scripture. No, what you’re pedaling above and what you continue to pedal here is of Satan to belittle what’s coming and to sow confusion and cause complacency among those who could be in eternal danger of salvation. It’s sickening to witness.

Last Edited by Seek^ on 02/05/2023 02:04 AM

You just don’t want to look at the prophecies and see how everything’s connected. It’s really sad, I did try.

Context. The word rapture existed before The satanic rapture doctrines.

You are really quite decieved

I guarantee that if we go and get the references for the word rapture that you just quoted. It will have nothing to do with The satanic rapture doctrines.

Why are you being so deceitful?

You know that liars don't get in

Lol, it’s just comical now. You bring absolutely zero to the table, nothing. Why?

Because you have nothing scriptural nor factual to bring. Again, sickening to witness such depravity and shame on you for confusing the gullible such as Kate. It’s truly sad to witness.

You have to choose to be left behind before heaven returns to.earth, many will go on walkabout to an alien planet.

You are projecting your own sinful deeds. Lord YAHshua beginning of wisdom for this one. Amen

I don’t even know him, see you were wrong there. I study scripture and came out of everything you still believe in, it’s what I was taught at church for many years, it’s false doctrine. But I’m not arguing with you, I gave you some things to look at, the rest is in YHWH’S hands. Blessings to you.