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Is The Rapture in 2 Thessalonians 2:3?

 
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"But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore,and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man."



Luke 21:34-36
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In the last day.
He gave all of his promises that allow for our escape of all of those things that will come to pass. Those promises ensure us of His deliverance from those things coming to pass, it doesnt mean you escape the time of those things to befall all of mankind!!

It means you are protected from those things during that time!
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Such deception. Its called grasping at straws. Take up your cross.

Deliverance and safety during that time will be in the wilderness of rev ch12

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The early church fathers looked to a rapture.
One’s belief in the rapture has no bearing on his or her salvation.
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Game, set and match for a Pre-Tribulational Rapture...



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As i said. You are quoting scripture out of context to justify your deception by the satanic rapture doctrines.

There is only one heavily abused by Rapturists verse by Paul that the whole ungodly house of cards called the satanic rapture doctrines rests upon.
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The Rapture mimics many of the stories told throughout the Bible.

Starting with Adam, Moses, Joshua, Jonan and Jesus.

The Rapture is even encoded in the stars and heavens.

How neat is that!! The Rapture story is told in the heavens so man could never corrupt his Word.

Does not matter, if you believe in Jesus for which saved through Grace and Faith. You will be Raptured. Congrats.
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"But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore,and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man."



Luke 21:34-36
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i think that this verse is a good explanation to the people that are being gangstalked

God is very mad at them and is punishing them for all their past wrong deeds, lies and using

God is not mocked, whatever we sow we must reap and what is at times to some upsetting - is to another creating a balance

this is karma in terms today
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"But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore,and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man."



Luke 21:34-36
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85205742


In the last day.
He gave all of his promises that allow for our escape of all of those things that will come to pass. Those promises ensure us of His deliverance from those things coming to pass, it doesnt mean you escape the time of those things to befall all of mankind!!

It means you are protected from those things during that time!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18660731

Such deception. Its called grasping at straws. Take up your cross.

Deliverance and safety during that time will be in the wilderness of rev ch12

Not an unbiblical anti scriptural secret return of the Lord
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Good luck.

But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Matthew 12:36
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"But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore,and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man."



Luke 21:34-36
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85205742


In the last day.
He gave all of his promises that allow for our escape of all of those things that will come to pass. Those promises ensure us of His deliverance from those things coming to pass, it doesnt mean you escape the time of those things to befall all of mankind!!

It means you are protected from those things during that time!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18660731


Its really just that simple, God prefers the extraordinary odds against Him , the impossible odds He already conquered. For who can deliver himself from death?
There is only one way out of this mess and its by HIs protection to the end followed by His Almighty Deliverance at the last day.

Ive never had an issue following His orders, its always the safe bet. And its always the same way, dispelling the darkness and fear with the power of His Truth nd His Light not your own. He calls us to battle for the truth that lays within you, always ready to give an answer. And calls us to resist the devil and his lies with a love of the truth.

He doesnt say you escape the time of the tribulation of all of mankind, He has the authority and ability to hold our hand and walk us through the valley of the shadow of death.

God did not teach me to run from the storm but to stand on the rock in the middle of it.
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The early church fathers looked to a rapture.
One’s belief in the rapture has no bearing on his or her salvation.
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You couldn't be more mistaken. If you believe in something that is not scriptural, you are going to stumble. Your still walking by sight instead of on faith in what God taught.
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Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,



2Thessalonians 2:3

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hmm
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What a huge difference in translation and understanding that makes!
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"But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore,and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man."



Luke 21:34-36
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85205742


In the last day.
He gave all of his promises that allow for our escape of all of those things that will come to pass. Those promises ensure us of His deliverance from those things coming to pass, it doesnt mean you escape the time of those things to befall all of mankind!!

It means you are protected from those things during that time!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18660731


Its really just that simple, God prefers the extraordinary odds against Him , the impossible odds He already conquered. For who can deliver himself from death?
There is only one way out of this mess and its by HIs protection to the end followed by His Almighty Deliverance at the last day.

Ive never had an issue following His orders, its always the safe bet. And its always the same way, dispelling the darkness and fear with the power of His Truth nd His Light not your own. He calls us to battle for the truth that lays within you, always ready to give an answer. And calls us to resist the devil and his lies with a love of the truth.

He doesnt say you escape the time of the tribulation of all of mankind, He has the authority and ability to hold our hand and walk us through the valley of the shadow of death.

God did not teach me to run from the storm but to stand on the rock in the middle of it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85206360

Actually, He does say to pray so that we may be found worthy to Escape. He says precisely to do just that. He also tells us to study His Word so that we may show ourselves approved in understanding His promises and His Word.

Yes, He does tell us to stand firm in Him throughout tribulations that life throws at us. But what you and others fail to understand is the difference between the wrath of man and the wrath of God. What you and others fail to realize is the biblical difference of life’s everyday tribulations and the 7-year Tribulation which is the worst time ever on earth in the existence of humanity. Christ’s bride isn’t appointed to judgment or wrath which is the 7-year Tribulation, Jesus took both on the cross for us. This is judgment and wrath for the unrepentant and unbelievers.

Again, this will be the worst time ever in the existence of mankind on earth, men will work an entire day for the wages of a piece of bread. The literal Gates of Hell will be opened and demons will physically hunt human beings on this physical plane. Continents will be split from earthquakes, all bodies of water will be turned to blood, asteroids/comets will enter oceans and cause tsunamis that will engulf land masses, fallen angels chained under the Euphrates will be loosed and will kill 1/3 mankind, demonic scorpion-like beasts will sting men for 5 months in judgment, the sun will scorch people in judgment, open sores will ravish people and so on..

Men’s hearts will fail them out of fear alone.

You people have absolutely zero idea how bad things are about to get and believers who are in Christ are not appointed the wrath of God. When a person responds with the above and “not wanting to run from the storm”, it shows me they haven’t studied God’s word nor do they realize God doesn’t want believers on earth for this time period because these judgments aren’t for believers in Christ.

God wants His people in Heaven for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

Time to wake up people.
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"But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore,and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man."



Luke 21:34-36
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85205742


In the last day.
He gave all of his promises that allow for our escape of all of those things that will come to pass. Those promises ensure us of His deliverance from those things coming to pass, it doesnt mean you escape the time of those things to befall all of mankind!!

It means you are protected from those things during that time!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18660731


Its really just that simple, God prefers the extraordinary odds against Him , the impossible odds He already conquered. For who can deliver himself from death?
There is only one way out of this mess and its by HIs protection to the end followed by His Almighty Deliverance at the last day.

Ive never had an issue following His orders, its always the safe bet. And its always the same way, dispelling the darkness and fear with the power of His Truth nd His Light not your own. He calls us to battle for the truth that lays within you, always ready to give an answer. And calls us to resist the devil and his lies with a love of the truth.

He doesnt say you escape the time of the tribulation of all of mankind, He has the authority and ability to hold our hand and walk us through the valley of the shadow of death.

God did not teach me to run from the storm but to stand on the rock in the middle of it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85206360

Actually, He does say to pray so that we may be found worthy to Escape. He says precisely to do just that. He also tells us to study His Word so that we may show ourselves approved in understanding His promises and His Word.

Yes, He does tell us to stand firm in Him throughout tribulations that life throws at us. But what you and others fail to understand is the difference between the wrath of man and the wrath of God. What you and others fail to realize is the biblical difference of life’s everyday tribulations and the 7-year Tribulation which is the worst time ever on earth in the existence of humanity. Christ’s bride isn’t appointed to judgment or wrath which is the 7-year Tribulation, Jesus took both on the cross for us. This is judgment and wrath for the unrepentant and unbelievers.

Again, this will be the worst time ever in the existence of mankind on earth, men will work an entire day for the wages of a piece of bread. The literal Gates of Hell will be opened and demons will physically hunt human beings on this physical plane. Continents will be split from earthquakes, all bodies of water will be turned to blood, asteroids/comets will enter oceans and cause tsunamis that will engulf land masses, fallen angels chained under the Euphrates will be loosed and will kill 1/3 mankind, demonic scorpion-like beasts will sting men for 5 months in judgment, the sun will scorch people in judgment, open sores will ravish people and so on..

Men’s hearts will fail them out of fear alone.

You people have absolutely zero idea how bad things are about to get and believers who are in Christ are not appointed the wrath of God. When a person responds with the above and “not wanting to run from the storm”, it shows me they haven’t studied God’s word nor do they realize God doesn’t want believers on earth for this time period because these judgments aren’t for believers in Christ.

God wants His people in Heaven for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

Time to wake up people.
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DURP
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Let no one deceive you by any means;

for that Day will not come unless the DEPARTURE comes first,

and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,





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In the last day.
He gave all of his promises that allow for our escape of all of those things that will come to pass. Those promises ensure us of His deliverance from those things coming to pass, it doesnt mean you escape the time of those things to befall all of mankind!!

It means you are protected from those things during that time!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18660731


Its really just that simple, God prefers the extraordinary odds against Him , the impossible odds He already conquered. For who can deliver himself from death?
There is only one way out of this mess and its by HIs protection to the end followed by His Almighty Deliverance at the last day.

Ive never had an issue following His orders, its always the safe bet. And its always the same way, dispelling the darkness and fear with the power of His Truth nd His Light not your own. He calls us to battle for the truth that lays within you, always ready to give an answer. And calls us to resist the devil and his lies with a love of the truth.

He doesnt say you escape the time of the tribulation of all of mankind, He has the authority and ability to hold our hand and walk us through the valley of the shadow of death.

God did not teach me to run from the storm but to stand on the rock in the middle of it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85206360

Actually, He does say to pray so that we may be found worthy to Escape. He says precisely to do just that. He also tells us to study His Word so that we may show ourselves approved in understanding His promises and His Word.

Yes, He does tell us to stand firm in Him throughout tribulations that life throws at us. But what you and others fail to understand is the difference between the wrath of man and the wrath of God. What you and others fail to realize is the biblical difference of life’s everyday tribulations and the 7-year Tribulation which is the worst time ever on earth in the existence of humanity. Christ’s bride isn’t appointed to judgment or wrath which is the 7-year Tribulation, Jesus took both on the cross for us. This is judgment and wrath for the unrepentant and unbelievers.

Again, this will be the worst time ever in the existence of mankind on earth, men will work an entire day for the wages of a piece of bread. The literal Gates of Hell will be opened and demons will physically hunt human beings on this physical plane. Continents will be split from earthquakes, all bodies of water will be turned to blood, asteroids/comets will enter oceans and cause tsunamis that will engulf land masses, fallen angels chained under the Euphrates will be loosed and will kill 1/3 mankind, demonic scorpion-like beasts will sting men for 5 months in judgment, the sun will scorch people in judgment, open sores will ravish people and so on..

Men’s hearts will fail them out of fear alone.

You people have absolutely zero idea how bad things are about to get and believers who are in Christ are not appointed the wrath of God. When a person responds with the above and “not wanting to run from the storm”, it shows me they haven’t studied God’s word nor do they realize God doesn’t want believers on earth for this time period because these judgments aren’t for believers in Christ.

God wants His people in Heaven for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

Time to wake up people.
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DURP
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Truly clueless and your response above proves it. Carry on.
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The early church fathers looked to a rapture.
One’s belief in the rapture has no bearing on his or her salvation.
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You couldn't be more mistaken. If you believe in something that is not scriptural, you are going to stumble. Your still walking by sight instead of on faith in what God taught.
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Correct.

And the satanic rapture doctrines don't exist pre 1830.

There were some Jesuits who promoted what is called futurism.which led up the satanic rapture doctrines.

No satanic rapture doctrines promoted by the Lord or apostles or early church
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"Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."


Luke 21:28
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The early church fathers looked to a rapture.
One’s belief in the rapture has no bearing on his or her salvation.
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You couldn't be more mistaken. If you believe in something that is not scriptural, you are going to stumble. Your still walking by sight instead of on faith in what God taught.
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So you believe you can "stumble" and lose salvation?

Or is the mistake about the early church fathers? There are several dozen quotes of those early saints contemporary with the apostles on the net for free that clearly look to a "rapture".
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Jesus Christ does not want His Faithful in The Satanic Hell on Earth.
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And the satanic rapture doctrines don't exist pre 1830.

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Lie.


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"But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Watch therefore,and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man."



Luke 21:34-36
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85205742


In the last day.
He gave all of his promises that allow for our escape of all of those things that will come to pass. Those promises ensure us of His deliverance from those things coming to pass, it doesnt mean you escape the time of those things to befall all of mankind!!

It means you are protected from those things during that time!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18660731


Its really just that simple, God prefers the extraordinary odds against Him , the impossible odds He already conquered. For who can deliver himself from death?
There is only one way out of this mess and its by HIs protection to the end followed by His Almighty Deliverance at the last day.

Ive never had an issue following His orders, its always the safe bet. And its always the same way, dispelling the darkness and fear with the power of His Truth nd His Light not your own. He calls us to battle for the truth that lays within you, always ready to give an answer. And calls us to resist the devil and his lies with a love of the truth.

He doesnt say you escape the time of the tribulation of all of mankind, He has the authority and ability to hold our hand and walk us through the valley of the shadow of death.

God did not teach me to run from the storm but to stand on the rock in the middle of it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85206360

Actually, He does say to pray so that we may be found worthy to Escape. He says precisely to do just that. He also tells us to study His Word so that we may show ourselves approved in understanding His promises and His Word.

Yes, He does tell us to stand firm in Him throughout tribulations that life throws at us. But what you and others fail to understand is the difference between the wrath of man and the wrath of God. What you and others fail to realize is the biblical difference of life’s everyday tribulations and the 7-year Tribulation which is the worst time ever on earth in the existence of humanity. Christ’s bride isn’t appointed to judgment or wrath which is the 7-year Tribulation, Jesus took both on the cross for us. This is judgment and wrath for the unrepentant and unbelievers.

Again, this will be the worst time ever in the existence of mankind on earth, men will work an entire day for the wages of a piece of bread. The literal Gates of Hell will be opened and demons will physically hunt human beings on this physical plane. Continents will be split from earthquakes, all bodies of water will be turned to blood, asteroids/comets will enter oceans and cause tsunamis that will engulf land masses, fallen angels chained under the Euphrates will be loosed and will kill 1/3 mankind, demonic scorpion-like beasts will sting men for 5 months in judgment, the sun will scorch people in judgment, open sores will ravish people and so on..

Men’s hearts will fail them out of fear alone.

You people have absolutely zero idea how bad things are about to get and believers who are in Christ are not appointed the wrath of God. When a person responds with the above and “not wanting to run from the storm”, it shows me they haven’t studied God’s word nor do they realize God doesn’t want believers on earth for this time period because these judgments aren’t for believers in Christ.

God wants His people in Heaven for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

Time to wake up people.
 Quoting: Seek^


Those standing on the rock do escape, because the rock we're standing on weathers the storm for us, all other ground is sinking sand. You escape those things because he shelters us, not magically remove us from the time he trained us to be prepared for. The ones that make it through the time of tribulation are enumerable Jesus says. They escape the things of tribulation, just not tribulation. Its written, the Lord returns in the last day not the day before or any other day.

Hoping to escape the time of tribulation is not what the scripture says. Its says "pray you escape [the things that will come to pass] in those days", not the day itself. You aint bridging that gap!!!
A rapture is pure deception by the Words of Jesus Himself!

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Stop manipulating God's Holy Word. Things have a tendency to horribly wrong when you do. Its plainly spoken to be plainly understood.
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The early church fathers looked to a rapture.
One’s belief in the rapture has no bearing on his or her salvation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78230975


You couldn't be more mistaken. If you believe in something that is not scriptural, you are going to stumble. Your still walking by sight instead of on faith in what God taught.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85206360


Correct.

And the satanic rapture doctrines don't exist pre 1830.

There were some Jesuits who promoted what is called futurism.which led up the satanic rapture doctrines.

No satanic rapture doctrines promoted by the Lord or apostles or early church
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Enoch was Raptured into Heaven in or around 3400 BC. The book of Daniel over 2500 years ago prophesied the end of days removal of the bride along with various other Old Testament books. I know you’re not interested in any truth here though. Keep on misleading people, it’s pathetic to witness such prideful ignorance and tearing down of God’s holy Word.
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and to stand before the Son of Man.



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In the last day.
He gave all of his promises that allow for our escape of all of those things that will come to pass. Those promises ensure us of His deliverance from those things coming to pass, it doesnt mean you escape the time of those things to befall all of mankind!!

It means you are protected from those things during that time!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18660731


Its really just that simple, God prefers the extraordinary odds against Him , the impossible odds He already conquered. For who can deliver himself from death?
There is only one way out of this mess and its by HIs protection to the end followed by His Almighty Deliverance at the last day.

Ive never had an issue following His orders, its always the safe bet. And its always the same way, dispelling the darkness and fear with the power of His Truth nd His Light not your own. He calls us to battle for the truth that lays within you, always ready to give an answer. And calls us to resist the devil and his lies with a love of the truth.

He doesnt say you escape the time of the tribulation of all of mankind, He has the authority and ability to hold our hand and walk us through the valley of the shadow of death.

God did not teach me to run from the storm but to stand on the rock in the middle of it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85206360

Actually, He does say to pray so that we may be found worthy to Escape. He says precisely to do just that. He also tells us to study His Word so that we may show ourselves approved in understanding His promises and His Word.

Yes, He does tell us to stand firm in Him throughout tribulations that life throws at us. But what you and others fail to understand is the difference between the wrath of man and the wrath of God. What you and others fail to realize is the biblical difference of life’s everyday tribulations and the 7-year Tribulation which is the worst time ever on earth in the existence of humanity. Christ’s bride isn’t appointed to judgment or wrath which is the 7-year Tribulation, Jesus took both on the cross for us. This is judgment and wrath for the unrepentant and unbelievers.

Again, this will be the worst time ever in the existence of mankind on earth, men will work an entire day for the wages of a piece of bread. The literal Gates of Hell will be opened and demons will physically hunt human beings on this physical plane. Continents will be split from earthquakes, all bodies of water will be turned to blood, asteroids/comets will enter oceans and cause tsunamis that will engulf land masses, fallen angels chained under the Euphrates will be loosed and will kill 1/3 mankind, demonic scorpion-like beasts will sting men for 5 months in judgment, the sun will scorch people in judgment, open sores will ravish people and so on..

Men’s hearts will fail them out of fear alone.

You people have absolutely zero idea how bad things are about to get and believers who are in Christ are not appointed the wrath of God. When a person responds with the above and “not wanting to run from the storm”, it shows me they haven’t studied God’s word nor do they realize God doesn’t want believers on earth for this time period because these judgments aren’t for believers in Christ.

God wants His people in Heaven for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

Time to wake up people.
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Those standing on the rock do escape, because the rock we're standing on weathers the storm for us, all other ground is sinking sand. You escape those things because he shelters us, not magically remove us from the time he trained us to be prepared for. The ones that make it through the time of tribulation are enumerable Jesus says. They escape the things of tribulation, just not tribulation. Its written, the Lord returns in the last day not the day before or any other day.

Hoping to escape the time of tribulation is not what the scripture says. Its says "pray you escape [the things that will come to pass] in those days", not the day itself. You aint bridging that gap!!!
A rapture is pure deception by the Words of Jesus Himself!

John 6:39
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Stop manipulating God's Holy Word. Things have a tendency to horribly wrong when you do. Its plainly spoken to be plainly understood.
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I could deconstruct sentence by sentence your elementary mistranslations of scripture above but your “DURP” response shows you’re not interested in the truth so as I said, carry on in your ignorance if you so choose. The only reason I responded to you above is because I thought you may be open to learning, you’re obviously not.
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The early church fathers looked to a rapture.
One’s belief in the rapture has no bearing on his or her salvation.
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You couldn't be more mistaken. If you believe in something that is not scriptural, you are going to stumble. Your still walking by sight instead of on faith in what God taught.
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So you believe you can "stumble" and lose salvation?

Or is the mistake about the early church fathers? There are several dozen quotes of those early saints contemporary with the apostles on the net for free that clearly look to a "rapture".
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No i dont believe that. Stumbling is far from falling when your in the hands of Jesus. He gets me through it all until he returns at the last day. I believe His promises and His plan for my salvation and DELIVERANCE AT THE LAST DAY when he himself says over and over throughout scripture after all of the days of scripture be fulfilled. He doesnt come before things are finished, they finish on the last day, when He says its over.

If it were not so i would have told you. No where in scripture did God even hint of such a fantasy. God doesnt change. He is the Alpha and Omega the beginning and [the End]. Say it with me folks when is the end? On the Last day! We dont fear the darkness we walk through it overflowing in abundance with the light of His Truth.
A rapture before tribulation robs God of His Glory! Shame on you.
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Its really just that simple, God prefers the extraordinary odds against Him , the impossible odds He already conquered. For who can deliver himself from death?
There is only one way out of this mess and its by HIs protection to the end followed by His Almighty Deliverance at the last day.

Ive never had an issue following His orders, its always the safe bet. And its always the same way, dispelling the darkness and fear with the power of His Truth nd His Light not your own. He calls us to battle for the truth that lays within you, always ready to give an answer. And calls us to resist the devil and his lies with a love of the truth.

He doesnt say you escape the time of the tribulation of all of mankind, He has the authority and ability to hold our hand and walk us through the valley of the shadow of death.

God did not teach me to run from the storm but to stand on the rock in the middle of it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85206360

Actually, He does say to pray so that we may be found worthy to Escape. He says precisely to do just that. He also tells us to study His Word so that we may show ourselves approved in understanding His promises and His Word.

Yes, He does tell us to stand firm in Him throughout tribulations that life throws at us. But what you and others fail to understand is the difference between the wrath of man and the wrath of God. What you and others fail to realize is the biblical difference of life’s everyday tribulations and the 7-year Tribulation which is the worst time ever on earth in the existence of humanity. Christ’s bride isn’t appointed to judgment or wrath which is the 7-year Tribulation, Jesus took both on the cross for us. This is judgment and wrath for the unrepentant and unbelievers.

Again, this will be the worst time ever in the existence of mankind on earth, men will work an entire day for the wages of a piece of bread. The literal Gates of Hell will be opened and demons will physically hunt human beings on this physical plane. Continents will be split from earthquakes, all bodies of water will be turned to blood, asteroids/comets will enter oceans and cause tsunamis that will engulf land masses, fallen angels chained under the Euphrates will be loosed and will kill 1/3 mankind, demonic scorpion-like beasts will sting men for 5 months in judgment, the sun will scorch people in judgment, open sores will ravish people and so on..

Men’s hearts will fail them out of fear alone.

You people have absolutely zero idea how bad things are about to get and believers who are in Christ are not appointed the wrath of God. When a person responds with the above and “not wanting to run from the storm”, it shows me they haven’t studied God’s word nor do they realize God doesn’t want believers on earth for this time period because these judgments aren’t for believers in Christ.

God wants His people in Heaven for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

Time to wake up people.
 Quoting: Seek^


Those standing on the rock do escape, because the rock we're standing on weathers the storm for us, all other ground is sinking sand. You escape those things because he shelters us, not magically remove us from the time he trained us to be prepared for. The ones that make it through the time of tribulation are enumerable Jesus says. They escape the things of tribulation, just not tribulation. Its written, the Lord returns in the last day not the day before or any other day.

Hoping to escape the time of tribulation is not what the scripture says. Its says "pray you escape [the things that will come to pass] in those days", not the day itself. You aint bridging that gap!!!
A rapture is pure deception by the Words of Jesus Himself!

John 6:39
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Stop manipulating God's Holy Word. Things have a tendency to horribly wrong when you do. Its plainly spoken to be plainly understood.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85206360

I could deconstruct sentence by sentence your elementary mistranslations of scripture above but your “DURP” response shows you’re not interested in the truth so as I said, carry on in your ignorance if you so choose. The only reason I responded to you above is because I thought you may be open to learning, you’re obviously not.
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Sorry but the teachers position in my life was filled more than 60 years ago now wasnt seeking any instruction outside of His. You can deconstruct any of what i will say im never offended, but you dont get to deconstruct what only God hs constructed.
His deconstruction grows ever nearer no doubt, but it will be when scripture is fulfilled and the sun is darkened and the moon no longer gives of its light, and then shall be the sign of His coming. Not before the sun and the moon be darkened, only after as Jesus The Great Teacher and Deliverer taught openly and plainly.
So when is the sun and moon darkened folks? At the end of tribulation or before it?
If your still not clear its at the last day, not years before that day.
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