searching for a book that told of a bird in peru that cut holes in rock using plants

from the link:

Cuzco has many stories, legends, and myths about the amazing buildings and other structures our ancestors, the Incas, left. We often ask how they could have carved or molded huge stones and carried them to where they are found today in ancient constructions.

Many people thing that these were the work of beings from another planet, or that they must have been the work of Gods. Others say the Incas must have had a very advanced set of knowledge and skills in order to realize wonderful structures like Sacsayhuaman that today sits above the city and amazes the whole world.

A popular story tells us that when the Incas were building these sites a bird saw how they shaped the stones with special herbs that the Incas obtained. People say that the stone became soft and moldable like dough and enabled the Inca to mold the stones into the shapes they desired.

People say this bird used the same plants in order to shape a hollow in the highest parts of cliffs and other stones just by scratching with their beaks using the herbs. With a bit of effort they could convert it into something soft and, in this way make deep holes to make safe and secure nest to protect them from predators.

Many people say that this bird, a ñaqacho, is the only one, animal or human, who knows the secret of the Incas for shaping the enormous stones of our famed archeological sites. They show their nests prove it.


Since the secret only exists now in the beaks and feet of this bird, there is a worry. The bird is on the edge of extinction, although it has relatives who still make holes for nests in the high rocks.

This small story of a bird leaves us much to think about. We can imagine that maybe the Incas would rub these plants on stone to make them soft and workable. Nevertheless, that is just one idea, even if it is an idea in our folklore.

that's very interesting.

i'm looking...


found this different tale from the middle east:


There is a transient reference to the ‘farr’ of Persian king Zal, which was a symbol of his celestial investiture, which acted as HF. Another, no less scanty reference mentions an obscure ‘plant mixture’ conceived by Egyptian scholars to soften stone. This was perhaps the same ‘unknown cement’ that was thick as a sheet of paper and that the Arab scholar Abd el-Latif (12th century) said connected the stones of the Great Pyramid, in which some ‘plant residues’ have recently been found. This is all from Egypt, although there traces of the technique abound.

Instead, we find a lot of data (certainly from Egyptian sources) in myths and texts, including the Bible, of ancient Israel, however there this discovery - a gift of God, which later disappeared - was only used twice. The **** called it Shamir.


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there are lots of connections between peru and egypt.

it was the birds saliva that did it not the plants

Could Ancient Peruvians Soften Stone?


One interesting theory that has been put forward to explain the shaping of the stones has its roots in local legend reported by explorers, such as the legendary Percy Fawcett, as well as Hiram Bingham, who rediscovered Machu Picchu. The legend speaks of a liquid derived from plants , which was known to the ancients to turn the stones soft. In fact, in 1983, a Catholic priest said he used the technique to achieve the stone softening but was unable to figure out how to make the stones hard again.

While the theory remains speculative, marks on some of the stones at Saksaywaman do indicate that the stones were moulded or scraped into shape, which could be explained by the stone softening theory.

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scroll to stone softening

wow thanks for the post!

bingham wrote no books...but fawcett has 3 published in the 50's:

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Hmm I get 'this site cannot be reached'!?
I'm on 4G can anyone summarize?

Any pdf links?

"In an interview in 1983, Jorge A. Lira, a Catholic priest who was anexpert in Andean folklore, said that he had rediscovered the ancient
method
of softening stone. According to a pre-Columbian legend the gods had
given the Indians two gifts to enable them to build colossal
architectural works
such as Sacsayhuaman and Machu Picchu. The gifts were two plants with
amazing properties. One of them was the coca plant, whose leaves enabled
the
workers to sustain the tremendous effort required. The other was a plant
which, when mixed with other ingredients, turned hard stone into a
malleable
paste. Padre Lira said he had spent 14 years studying the legend and
finally succeeded in identifying the plant in question, which he called
‘jotcha’. He carried out several experiments and, although he managed to
soften solid rock, he could not reharden it, and therefore considered
his
experiments a failure.4 Aukanaw, an Argentine anthropologist of Mapuche
origin, who died in 1994, related a tradition about a species of
woodpecker
known locally by such names as pitiwe, pite, and pitio; its scientific
name is probably Colaptes pitius (Chilean flicker), which is found in
Chile and
Argentina, or Colaptes rupicola (Andean flicker), which is found in
southern Ecuador, Peru, western Bolivia, and northern Argentina and
Chile. If
someone blocks the entrance to its nest with a piece of rock or iron it
will fetch a rare plant, known as pito or pitu, and rub it against the
obstacle, causing it to become weaker or dissolve. In Peru, above 4500
m, there is said to be a plant called kechuca which turns stone to
jelly, and
which the jakkacllopito bird uses to make its nest. A plant with similar
properties that grows at even higher altitudes is known, among other
things,
as punco-punco; this may be Ephedra andina, which the Mapuche consider a
medicinal plant. among other stuff

i didn't get that far.


i have been right next to those stones in cuszco, but i had never heard this story before.

it's very interesting that it comes up in egypt too, because i read somewhere that the gold found in egyptian ruins is chemically/molecularly similar to the gold found in incan ruins.

like the gold in egypt was from the andes. i believe the info was from something about the annunaki mining colonies prior to the flood.

So this goes back a long way!?

great info. very cool

Awesome do you have a link to that?

it may indeed.

the stones at cusco are massive and the joints between them are somewhat rounded or bevelled.

i remember it because it was impossible to imagine how they did it, given how tight the joints were and how sculpted/shaped the stones looked.

in egypt though, i found the cuts in the stones to be much more severe, or razor-ish, but just as tight.
but this could explain alabaster bowls and stuff made of onyx that is in the museums.

that link is super cool.

thank you for posting it.

Yep got this link! thanks for posting

Geopolymer (Liquid stones) used to make megalithic structures:


The plant extracts: [link to www.geopolymer.org]

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nice!


another reference to similar stuff in egypt at that last link:

The great surprise was actually to discover very ancient references to their use since Neolithic times for working materials which are very hard but easily attacked by acids, such as chalk. Thus, a bas-relief from the tomb of Mera, at SAQQARAH (VI dynasty, 3Millenium B.C., Egypt) (Fig.6 ) shows the hollowing out of “Egyptian alabaster” (CaCO3) vases by a liquid contained in a water skin or bladder. An experiment of interest was to compare the “bio-tooling” technique with the shaping of a hole using steel tool and the quartz sand technique recommended by prehistorians. The hole resulting from sand abrasion has rough walls, whereas bio-tooling gives a smooth finish.

Like all ancient structures, the so-called indigenous peoples had nothing to do with the construction.

They all say these were here before us and were created by the Gods.

Even in Egypt there is no instructions or details on how the pyramids were built.

from the first link under the video:



PLINY (2) mentions the use of vinegar (acetic acid) in the disaggregation of limestone rocks, and HANNIBAL (219 B.C.) is known to have used the technique to bore holes in, and burst open rocks obstructing his path through the Alps, in his attempt to conquer ROME. We may suppose this technique to have been used in part for the Avebury circle ditch (U.K.), for «The ditch... a floor so smooth.. so well cut... no toolmarks on the walls, vertical and smooth faces.. the finest example of cut chalk.. .the hardest chalk must have been loosened...»(3) (Fig.7 and Fig. 8).


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thanks for the post! watching now looks very interesting

The video mentions a combination of 3 acids being used but doesn't say which ones.

I believe they are Acetic Acid (vinegar), Oxalic Acid (from beans), and citric acid. (lemons)

I researched this subject about 6 months ago and would love to try it and make myself a Tartarian castle. :-)

Last Edited by ArchimedesGirl on 01/18/2023 07:15 PM

indeed.

the links you provided actually gives you a shot at trying this.

very cool stuff.

olde school glp stuff

for a bookmark.

You have about as much chance of finding this book as you do of finding the lost library of Correia and the Jesuits in the Brazilian rain forest. No one has found it so far. If so, no one is talking.

Bird saliva combined a 'red leafy plant'.