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Seeking your advice on building a low cost house that is off grid and sustainable. Solar, passive heating, cellar etc.

 
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I rented a house in the country on 15 acres that was built by an old man. It was very well designed for thermal regulation of the house.

It had a stream and he built a 3 acre pond South of the house. The shore of the pond ended about 25 feet from the house. He build walls for the edges of the pond from the same flatrock that he built half the house with.

In the winter, the Sun angle would drop in the sky and the sunlight would bounce up and hit the house, effectively doubling the radiation heating on the house.

In the summer, the sun angle would be overhead, so no solar bounce from the pond would happen.

The house had large windows on the Southern exposure to collect that sunlight into the house and there was a massive amount of rock to retain the heat. (The walls were flat rock along the front and the windows looked like the windows you see on the old British sailing ships. This also made the house strikingly beautiful). One day I came home and there was a group of artists in front making paintings of the house.)

Inside the windows on the ground floor was the big Wood stove, surrounded by a massive rock hearth.

Lived there 3 years and heated with the wood stove only. They got a real winter there. This was on the West part of NJ in farm country. Nothing but 640 acre farms surrounding this place. He had enough trees to easily heat the house with the trees that needed to be removed anyway (elm trees dying and just general overgrowth).

Part of the rental deal was I had to raise a couple cattle so the property would be taxed as farm land otherwise the NJ taxes would have made the place impossibly expensive to own.

The house also had a huge tree on the Western end that would shade the house in summer when it had leaves, and in the winter, it would drop all the leaves and the Sun would once again hit the house in the evenings.

There was a huge purple martin house on a tall pole by the lake. The martins would eat the bugs from the lake and were fun while I would do a little fishing in the pond. He had stocked it with bass and bluegills. The martins would cartwheel right in front of me only a couple feet away, catching insects. Such beautiful birds.

I raised a dozen or so ducks in the pond, thinking they might chase away the noisy Canadian Geese, but they didn't chase anything. They did however lay their eggs on my front porch most of the time, so I always had more fresh eggs than I could eat.

In the winter when the pond would freeze over, I had to catch the ducks and keep them in a wire pen to protect them from the foxes and coyotes. Otherwise, they could stay away from the foxes when the pond was free of ice.

The amount of wildlife that visited that pond was amazing. So many different kinds of beautiful wild ducks. Tiny little Harlequin ducks, and larger, very ornate wood ducks.

Large hawks would dive into the pond to catch fish, which they would carry to the nearest telephone pole and pick apart up there.

And Blue Herons would wade around the pond and stand still, waiting for a fish to come by. They would catch and swallow some very large bass in one gulp.

A herd of deer would hide from the hunters on the property in the fall, and they would come by twice a day to drink water from the pond and eat the corn that the ducks left for them. The fawns were so nice to watch in the spring, standing on their back hooves and reaching up to eat leaves from the trees.

The cicadas would hatch out in the fall and I tossed a few in the pond to watch the bass hit them. The bass loved those fat cicadas. Then I tossed one to the ducks and they went crazy for the cicadas. The one thing that got them out of the pond. They would organize cicada hunts and pick them off the trees and the 100 year old locust fenceposts.

The driveway was gravel and about 500 feet long, so I did have to buy a big snowblower to clear the driveway snow.

Wonderful place. Like living in Eden.
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I was gonna get a deep cycle battery for my solar panels, I'm in cold climate, till someone said another kind will last longer..

Which battery is better for a small conversion. Nothing big.
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Get Tojan T-105RE batteries.

They're 6V so you need at least two, but I have a 400Watt solar kit and it'd be way better with 4.

You want them from the same lot, RV stores often carry them.

Deep cycle batteries aren't as good. THese are more like Golf cart batteries that are extra tall, and are designed for solar.

Then make sure and check the water regularly especially after running any big loads, like electric chainsaw etc.

Thre's a lot of great info at permies.com.

WAys to build houses almost for free using recycled materials, and they have good info on straw bale and cobb, rocket mass heaters etc.

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Whatever you do, if you don't build it on a trailer make sure it meets minimum code requirements.

You're going to want a generator too, and I recommend the honda EU2000 models because they are quiet and fuel efficient. But they're a bit of a pain in the butt regarding maintainance, you need to adjust the valves every 100 hours, and you pretty much have to take it most of the way apart to get to it and there's no gasket so you need hondabond sealer.

Also the pull cord is put at an angle on purpose to ruin the rope, and changing that is a pan too.

But most of the other ones are noisy gas hogs, though you might find a decent chinese clone......
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All the local powers have to do is tell you you can't use the creek. Better use a well.
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Use 40 ft storage containers sunk into the ground.
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If swamp coolers work in your climate then you're on easy street. If not, cooling in your location might be difficult or even non viable.

Would suggest going on permies.com and begin by giving them precise location and climate details. They'll steer you straight.
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Use 40 ft storage containers sunk into the ground.
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That doesn't work as well as people think. The walls can't even handle the side load and the roof can only handle about an inch of soil on top before it starts to sag and buckle. You have to dramatically reinforce them to bury them, which kind of defeats the whole purpose of using them in the first place. They also have big moisture problems due to the cave effect if you don't encase them in insulation. All in all, you're better off just building a structure from scratch, such as an earthship or wafati if you're wanting to go underground.
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That was me earlier about the trojan batteries.

What I do is run off my solar until it kicks off.

I bought a 400W RV kit from Grape Solar ordered it delivered to the store at Home DEpot.

Came with 4-100Watt panels, a charger, and an inverter, and some cables from the panels to the charger, but you have to get your own batteries and battery vables and a big 200Amp breaker and know how to wire it.

THe good thing about it is the inverter kicks off before the batteries get too low, but you have to go manually reset it after it charges back up.

So What I do is run it til it kicks off, then I use my generator, and I also use the generator to charge the solar batteries when the gennie is running, and having four of them would be way better than two....to reduce hours on the generator because those aren;t designed for constant duty, or to last many years generally.

But I've kept mine going five or six years now,

DEfinitely get at a least 4 batteries. It's expensive but you don't want to add them later you need all of them the same age afrom the same manufacturing lot, or they will drain each other.....


Spend the extra and get at least 4.
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I hate to say this.. but putting together individual batteries to make your own string is now old technology.. You can buy 48V 100Ah lifepo4 rack modules for around $1400 if you buy more than 5..


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MY 4oo watt kit isn't enough to run a dorm fridge, would be if I had 4 batteries instead of two....


But THe cool thing is the 2000W inverter is enough to run a small electric chainsaw and cut my firewood.

Way better than fussing with A gas chainsaw unless you use it all the time they always get fuel system crap from the gasahol.

With electric I just have to keep it clean and oiled and sharpened.


I can't remember offhand the brand of the chainsaw but it's way better than a Ranger...low draw, high rpm motor....it's a pole saw....wish it was detachable but it isn't.

But way better than other ones...


Senix is the brand.


With regards to housing, no point building it if the county makes you tear it down.

Check local regs.

A pole barn is a cheap option.
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LOL

Keep it fucking simple stupid...

SMALL...house around 600 square feet...if you need more then give up already...

use fox blocks and put a 6 foot crawl space under it..

Over hang and covered deck...

Gravity feed water not tanks that need pumps..

Bio Gas...seriously...

you going to run around and do all that labor and for what...

wood heat and lots of windows on the south side..one on the other...face the house properly...and insulation is everything.

worry about livestock...small or large...a garden and greenhouse above all...

I run solar and it has its draw backs...oil lamps...wood heat is a must...

My wood stove is also a cook stove...with a water jacket on it for hot water...

If you get to complicated you will fail and spend your life as a slave to your complicated gear..

Good luck
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Did you get laugh at whoever was calculating power requirements for their clothes dryer instead of planning for a clothes line?
I dry mine on a line in the house near the wood stove if I want a quick dry.
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I've been planning to do what you're doing a long time.

What I plan to do is build a pole barn first and subdivide it so that all my tools and junk are indoors and dry.

Then build a strawbale/cobb house....those are cheap but they take a LONG TIME to build.

So divided pole barn first.

That way your firewood and tools are safe secure and dry, and living space partitioned off from fumes from power equipment.
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Buy Box Cars containers
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The Amish have been living off gird this way way since they got here 200 years ago. I suggest checking out how they do it.

What I have notieced is they have an indoor and outdoor or summer kitchens/ cooking area.

Random observations, wood stove in the home is centurally located. The Amish like to use candles, wind, solar and propane. They tend to bathes weekly or every other day and use a mix of vinagar water and take spray with washclothes most other days. They often have stoves that also are enginered as water heaters for duel purpose. Tube rooms are often on the back side of kitchens or beneath in the basement for that purpose. They day advantage of their day light, and turn in early. Many farms have green houses too. Becuase although they can and smoke a lot of their food, they also enjoy fresh food too during the winter.

Side note. Freeze dyers is another food preserving option that runs off the power of say a freezer a meduim type freezer. You are going to need a good size battery bank though. Better yet, rent space in someone gargae or storage facility to use it when you need.

Solar can heat water too during the day and be stored with bateries to a hot water tank during the night. A lot of the farms have both interior bathrooms on a spetic sytem and exterior outhouses that untilize scops of lime when used.

A lot of the homes now a days appear very modern inside especialy with more liberal secs. But remain plain looking and generic inside.

Other off grid homes I have scene utilize one building for kitchen/ dining/ office and bath and then have exterior walkways to sheds/cabins that serve as individual living quarters. It all depends onthe climate where you are building your home.

In Itally there are still a number of off grid homes. Warmer climate. Homes here are split level and built into the sides of hills. Again, the kitchen is divded up between inside and outside cooking and living area's. In the winter people sleep upstairs and down stairs in the summer. So beds, are designed to come apart and be moved as needed. Southern US use to do the same with screened in porches before AC became widely avaible. Again all depends on climate, because warm weather homes can utilize large windows to move air in and out.

A high pitched roof can help with that too. espcially if you have an open roof shoot or windows up high to open and let heat out and open windows on the ground floor to force a breeze through your home to keep it cool. But if cold is more of an issue, he will want lower ceilings with space/ attack above to serve as a buffer zone to retain heat.

Anyways good luck with everything.
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Cargo Container
you can buy INSULATED cargo containers...about $6000 each
Put two of them side by side...have seen house like this with atrium built between the two containers...cost $40,000.
Cost depends on what you need for foundation. If you just set the containers on corner pilings/supports and attach, it is much cheaper than a full foundation.

Two 8x40 containers is 640 sq. feet...then add atrium...probably 800 to 900 sq. Nice two bedroom home

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Keep it simple at first. Utlize a camper, medium shed for a Kitchen/dining/ a loft to sleep in. both easy to heat and cool off. Put the shed on skids where you think you may want your home. Than live in it and see how your plan naturally unforlds as to how you will use your space.

Or build your barn/ garage first, live in it and then your home. Building an off grid property can be expensive.So aquring the things you can do before your build will be helpful.

Watch Live Simple Live Free on You Tube. Go back and follows this couples journey as they start from sctrach. Recently they had to change their life style to being back on the grid due to health issues. If you do it right you can save a lot of money.

But first you need to start with a plan and a check list of materials you desire and how you will find and store them until you are ready to use them. You have to become meticulously organized in how you do it. Keeping a journal.

IF YOU FAIL TO PLAN....YOU PLAN TO FAIL. People back in the day were very well organized and had daily habits that made life barable. It can't just be a hap harzard dream.
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Get an RV with solar. Not only off grid, but mobile.
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Yep I live in a Class A RV. All the comforts of a House and I am mobile when needed.
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Been in our 5th wheel for 4 years, now

We just got a 5 year contract to run a small remote 35 site campground with a lake and river
It’s busy 4 months of the year and empty 8 months

They pay us $20, 000 for the 4 months and get to live year round for free

We only require 600 watts of solar with 8 -6 volt batteries, a 3000 watt inverter and 3000 watt generator

We have 2 100 lb and 2 60 lb propane tanks

Nothing beats being able to move in a hurry

This video is from the last campground we ran last year



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Move someplace that doesn't get much snow and isn't too hot during the summer. Solar in the northern US latitudes sucks, works fine on paper but no so much in practice. Your life will be so much easier if you pick the right location.
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We enjoy watching compilation videos called Anna Bushcraft.

She is an amazing carpenter, and small wood cabin builder and uses water power to run her own electricity from the creek/river around her land.
At the same time, she connected bamboo pipes( sourced around her) to connect from a water source for her sustainable garden to a small pond and got ducks and chickens around the property.

Look her up even for picking up some basic ideas to build and plan/templates on living off the grid.

I always enjoy watching this girl and her resourcefulness and basic living with her pets and animals, eating fruit, vegetables, and root crops to fill her hunger after her inspiring land work.

Another option is to watch off-grid vacation rentals all over the world and you will see varied cheap innovations for your project.
I am excited for you :)

Good luck.
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Get an RV with solar. Not only off grid, but mobile.
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Yep I live in a Class A RV. All the comforts of a House and I am mobile when needed.
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Been in our 5th wheel for 4 years, now

We just got a 5 year contract to run a small remote 35 site campground with a lake and river
It’s busy 4 months of the year and empty 8 months

They pay us $20, 000 for the 4 months and get to live year round for free

We only require 600 watts of solar with 8 -6 volt batteries, a 3000 watt inverter and 3000 watt generator

We have 2 100 lb and 2 60 lb propane tanks

Nothing beats being able to move in a hurry

This video is from the last campground we ran last year



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This is our site at our new campground

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The cost to maintain the off grid systems are not really less than being on the grid. Instead of a monthly bill you get hit with maintenance surprises that are costly.
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I am on my 2nd offgrid place in 23 years. Here's my advice:
Don't use trojan batteries, they are garbage. I used to do solar for a living and 100% of the trojan battery banks failed prematurely.
Don't use lithium batteries, they don't work below freezing, expensive, dangerous.
Use L-16 size fla batteries, they last at least 10 years and have a lot of amp hours. US Battery or Surrette are good brands.
Don't buy harbor freight junk. Buy mono crystalline panels, they are more efficient and last longer than poly.
Face one side of your roof south (or north if yer in the southern hemisphere). That way you have a good sunlit place to mount stationary panels. Have at least 1 rotatable top of pole array so you can catch first light and last light. This will give you about 40% more power from your panels.
Every dollar you spend on energy efficient appliances will pay for itself in savings on your PV system.
Use DC power for your lights, water pump, if your inverter goes bad you will have lights and water. All of my lighting is DC and water pump, radio gear, security system, etc.
Good luck, looks like you have most of the bases covered in the other replies. Oh ya also, whatever you figure it will take in time and money, DOUBLE IT! I'm not kidding. hf
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Water filters using zeolites or activated carbon, solar is nice but look into CoP and batteries shelf life (remember no sunlight at night, therefore fridge and AC will run thru your batteries).
I saw some very cool wind turbines that is cheap and does not take a lot of space either.
Remember about water vapor transmission (if you care about mold and mildew), look into BES for more info, you’ll need at least 10 perms, same goes for the roof.
If you have love slope roof (collect rain water), you can use white reflective coating (if you live in the climate where you require to cool your house more than 6 months) or darker coating if in colder climate. Also they are thermochromic pigments that can change a color based on the temperature. If you have steep slope (water shedding roof), you can use plywood and coating(correct coating) over it.
If you are not in hurricane or tornado area, you can use plywood with SPF insulation, but then you’ll need to make sure that air circulation is good.
It is complicated topic, which could generate a lot of $ to build low cost housing for folks who wants to live like that. Coolest part, you can 3D print facade and roofs, but thats different topic.

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Oh ya and use SCREWS whenever possible. Nails are junk and constantly work their way out due to expansion/contraction. Everyone I know that nailed their siding etc. had to go back and SCREW everything back together. Do it right the first time and you won't regret it!
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Have you planned, built or considered a home on a small plot? Do you know anyone who did? Any architects, builders, trades or keen gardeners who can give us some advice, links to books, plans or fantastic resources?

We are seeking advice and ideas for a sustainable low cost and low cost to run home. We aim to grow a food forest and we want to keep the ongoing costs as low as possible (power, gas, water).

We are just beginning the planning stage. We have 2 acres split by a creek. The creek has been dammed in the property above and we have a small dam which we will rebuild. We will install a 90,000 litre underground tank and we hope to fill it from the dam each year.

We will run the property from solar with 30KWH batteries. We are interested in buying a biogas kit to run hot water, heating, fridge and cooking stoves should we require it.

We will begin our build in 12 months.

Thanks heaps everyone!

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OP - here are 10 helpful hints from your friend Shaun.

I built a homestead from scratch so I will give you my thoughts. This may be a bit off since I built mine in the Andes Mountains of South America in Colombia where there are certain advantages;

1) The walls were built in concrete with no drywall, as is standard practice here
2) The temperature is 75F all year so it’s always growing season

That aside, just some things you need to consider:

1) You’ll want to do composting for your food forest and chickens are amazing natural composters. Ensure that you plan to build a chicken coup, which you can use to help compost your food waste.

Also take a look at the natural predators in your area. Here, believe it or not, the chickens only have to worry about snakes and tigrillos (small cats, a bit bigger than domestic cats, that love to eat chickens).

2) Dig a well. We dug two here. You can be prepped out the wazoo but if you don’t have water, you’re screwed. Make sure to test it and if there are any contaminants you’ll need a filter.

3) Make sure to have a generator and I also suggest a tank to store diesel. You will probably go with solar panels but even here in the land of eternal summer, we get our rain and the generator kicks in.

But even then, let’s talk about grid down, you may need to run that generator for months. Calculate how much diesel you need and store it.

4) You’re going to need a truck. It can be an old truck, doesn’t matter, but when you have a homestead you are always hauling things. Also helps to build good grace with the neighbors when you pull their cars out of the mud :)

5) I highly recommend dairy cows. They’re not as high maintenance as you might think - they pretty much just roam around eating grass and drinking water, but you end up with 2 or 3 gallons of milk a day, plus cream that you can use to make butter and ice cream. You can also make your own cheese.

6) For the food forest, think about companion planting. It makes a huge difference.

7) If possible, think about acquiring bees. We have 10 hives here, since we started them all my plants and fruit trees grow way, way better with bigger fruits!! Again, not as high maintenance as you might think.

8) Think about security, obviously, and that’s more than being well armed. Make sure you have some dogs who like to bark when intruders get close. On my homestead, we surrounded the border with not fence but bamboo - it’s actually better. Then we put “crown of thorns” bushes beyond that just to make getting onto the property even that more hazardous. Also, add motion lights everywhere - on Amazon you can get solar ones.

9) For Internet, use StarLInk. It can be spotty at times but it’s great if you are off grid.

10) Thinking about trapping water too. We don’t do this but it’s on my list.

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First figure out how do do everything that is necessary without electricity. Then add electricity for comfort.

The guy that mentioned the Amish was right, check them out.

Go beyond the Amish, though (they like to work a lot). For instance, if you can't completely heat your house from solar or geothermal gain, assume you are doing it wrong.

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Re: Seeking your advice on building a low cost house that is off grid and sustainable. Solar, passive heating, cellar etc.
At my advanced age, what you're describing is a grave plot.
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Re: Seeking your advice on building a low cost house that is off grid and sustainable. Solar, passive heating, cellar etc.
I am on my 2nd offgrid place in 23 years. Here's my advice:
Don't use trojan batteries, they are garbage. I used to do solar for a living and 100% of the trojan battery banks failed prematurely.
Don't use lithium batteries, they don't work below freezing, expensive, dangerous.
Use L-16 size fla batteries, they last at least 10 years and have a lot of amp hours. US Battery or Surrette are good brands.
Don't buy harbor freight junk. Buy mono crystalline panels, they are more efficient and last longer than poly.
Face one side of your roof south (or north if yer in the southern hemisphere). That way you have a good sunlit place to mount stationary panels. Have at least 1 rotatable top of pole array so you can catch first light and last light. This will give you about 40% more power from your panels.
Every dollar you spend on energy efficient appliances will pay for itself in savings on your PV system.
Use DC power for your lights, water pump, if your inverter goes bad you will have lights and water. All of my lighting is DC and water pump, radio gear, security system, etc.
Good luck, looks like you have most of the bases covered in the other replies. Oh ya also, whatever you figure it will take in time and money, DOUBLE IT! I'm not kidding. hf
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Panels have gotten so cheap that I found that pole mounted tracking array was too expensive for the gain it provides. Just better and cheaper to get a bigger stationary array





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