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Can you prove human life is a gift?

 
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Can you prove human life is a gift?
Your beliefs don't count. Can you prove human life is a gift by using facts and logic?

I can't even make an argument for human life being a gift, and I've been searching for an answer for years. I think there may have been times in the "past" when human life was a gift, but those times are gone.
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
Your ability to write on this page represents “the gift.”
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
Your ability to write on this page represents “the gift.”
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If that's true, it proves my point. You're saying life wasn't a gift before the Internet existed? I would definitely go in the other direction there. chuckle
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01/07/2023 05:59 AM
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
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God is a loosh farmer.


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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
Your ability to write on this page represents “the gift.”
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If that's true, it proves my point. You're saying life wasn't a gift before the Internet existed? I would definitely go in the other direction there. chuckle
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85067263


The origin of your "thinking".
Look at your purest memory of a deep emotion or some awesome reasoning that popped to your brain for no specific reason or just with a simple exterior "input".
Now mix chemicals in a lab and make that thing happen in a way that will react to "everything" like you do as your soul faces existence.

This works also for those seeking "god" or whatever you call it. Socratic Daimon, Life Force, Inner voice, Higher Self, Cosmos.
Gives you an immediate soul response to everything that happens from your mind (expel induced thinking into things that harm the self both physically or morally, pursue what feeds your needs in a positive way) to your relations with humans , situations.

Cold or Warm Response.
Once you train that sensitivity you can surf these Yuga Times less scared or confused without a single creed/ideology/guru to follow.


These are my 2 cents and ofc can be bullshit to everyone else no offense taken^^
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
Your ability to write on this page represents “the gift.”
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If that's true, it proves my point. You're saying life wasn't a gift before the Internet existed? I would definitely go in the other direction there. chuckle
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85067263


You don’t reason correctly and have limited processing capability.
If you are human, and have the gift, you would recognize your ability to formulate ideas, create sentences, implement them into real world actions, make a lasting impression.

If you lack those basic abilities to bring anything into this world, maybe you are useless tool that needs reprogramming.

“Reprogramming” would be your language if you are a thoughtless soul who simply responds with what Simone else had told him to say.
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
Some don’t realize it until their last few breaths.
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
It depends on the circumstances one would suppose.

For some it could be rightly viewed as a travesty or curse that it would be difficult to ever say was a good thing for the experiencer.

This to me indicates that life just is, and from there we make of it what we will.
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
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God is a loosh farmer.


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Entities are loosh farmers.
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
Your beliefs don't count. Can you prove human life is a gift by using facts and logic?

I can't even make an argument for human life being a gift, and I've been searching for an answer for years. I think there may have been times in the "past" when human life was a gift, but those times are gone.
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You've been on a quest for years - is that not a gift - you've probably been in hell is why. I have too. You know its your giving that is the gift- What is a fact?
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01/07/2023 06:13 AM
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
What is a fact?
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My opinion about that is irrelevant. You need to define that for yourself. This is a thread about self-exploration, and I can't do that for you. My self-exploration is meaningless for you and visa versa.
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01/07/2023 06:14 AM
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
Can you prove it isn't?
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
First define what a gift means in your logic in this particular case and circumstances.

A gift, for me, is a surprise, and not neccessary a good one.
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01/07/2023 06:17 AM
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
The real question is should your life be renewed? Should you exist for eternity? Is life better without you? Is it best that you were never created?

Scary thought, isn't it?
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01/07/2023 06:18 AM
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
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God is a loosh farmer.


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Entities are loosh farmers.
 Quoting: 1r0n4n9el


Supposedly.
God created man to experience. ( loosh)

In which case, man is a tool, God uses to gain experiences.

So, is it a gift? Nope. We are being used. Most of the experiences are of a negative vibration. Are painful.

Still don’t consider, being bullied into a human body and suffering, a gift.

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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
The real question is should your life be renewed? Should you exist for eternity? Is life better without you? Is it best that you were never created?

Scary thought, isn't it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37089833


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I existed before this “life.”
I will exist after.

Becoming temporarily, human seems to be the tax we MUST PAY.

So, the human meat suit is but a tool God uses to collect experiences. Like Hitler.

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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
Can you prove it isn't?
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No. We don't know the purpose of life. I will admit that it could be the greatest gift imaginable. I can't deny that possibility.
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01/07/2023 06:24 AM
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
First define what a gift means in your logic in this particular case and circumstances.

A gift, for me, is a surprise, and not neccessary a good one.
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My definition of anything here is meaningless for you. You need to define that for yourself. This is a thread about self-exploration, and I can't do that for you. My self-exploration is meaningless for you and vice versa.
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
The real question is should your life be renewed? Should you exist for eternity? Is life better without you? Is it best that you were never created?

Scary thought, isn't it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37089833


I am fine with oblivion. It isn't scary to me at all. Once you're wiped from existence, you'll have no awareness of anything. Your existence will be meaningless. Why is that scary?
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01/07/2023 06:27 AM
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
The real question is should your life be renewed? Should you exist for eternity? Is life better without you? Is it best that you were never created?

Scary thought, isn't it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37089833


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I existed before this “life.”
I will exist after.

Becoming temporarily, human seems to be the tax we MUST PAY.

So, the human meat suit is but a tool God uses to collect experiences. Like Hitler.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79016713


Maybe, maybe not. Maybe we volunteered for this King Lear play that we call life. Maybe you are the problem ... and the solution.
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
The real question is should your life be renewed? Should you exist for eternity? Is life better without you? Is it best that you were never created?

Scary thought, isn't it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37089833


I am fine with oblivion. It isn't scary to me at all. Once you're wiped from existence, you'll have no awareness of anything. Your existence will be meaningless. Why is that scary?
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What is scary is the fact that life would be better without you and that it is hard to justify that you should ever get a second chance to make this world worse than what it is. That is what is scary
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01/07/2023 06:32 AM
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
Sure:

The people here threatened to take my life. By not doing so, they said it was a gift. This despite the fact that they put no value in my life at all besides what taking/sparing it will do for them. To draw attention away from the sort of people who do these things, the conversation is always redirected to the absent 'god,' rather than they themselves, specifically the ethical god of their ancestral pantheon.

They not only point a gun at strangers to get what they want, but also think pointing a gun at a stranger allows them to dictate what it is exactly that they are doing if not robbing someone. So now, it is 'god' who has given me my life as a gift, and not his 'children' who threaten to take it if they don't get what they want.

What we stand to learn from this is:

If you are able to dictate the moral language of a debate, you also control its apparently objective descriptive language.
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
The real question is should your life be renewed? Should you exist for eternity? Is life better without you? Is it best that you were never created?

Scary thought, isn't it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37089833


I am fine with oblivion. It isn't scary to me at all. Once you're wiped from existence, you'll have no awareness of anything. Your existence will be meaningless. Why is that scary?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85067263


What is scary is the fact that life would be better without you and that it is hard to justify that you should ever get a second chance to make this world worse than what it is. That is what is scary
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37089833


that it is hard to justify that you should ever get a second chance to make this world worse than what it is

I don't want to justify that. I would choose oblivion over coming back here again. What's scary about what you're describing?
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01/07/2023 06:37 AM
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
The real question is should your life be renewed? Should you exist for eternity? Is life better without you? Is it best that you were never created?

Scary thought, isn't it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37089833


I am fine with oblivion. It isn't scary to me at all. Once you're wiped from existence, you'll have no awareness of anything. Your existence will be meaningless. Why is that scary?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85067263


What is scary is the fact that life would be better without you and that it is hard to justify that you should ever get a second chance to make this world worse than what it is. That is what is scary
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37089833


that it is hard to justify that you should ever get a second chance to make this world worse than what it is

I don't want to justify that. I would choose oblivion over coming back here again. What's scary about what you're describing?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85067263


Translation: "Justify why I shouldn't kill you." There's nothing moral or philosophical here. All that is being said is you have a cold-blooded killer who has some advantage he found in not killing you that he already knows, otherwise he would have done it. No need to misrepresent a killer as moral or ethical.
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
Yes- because everything happens in the present
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01/07/2023 06:39 AM
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
Can you prove it isn't?
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No. We don't know the purpose of life. I will admit that it could be the greatest gift imaginable. I can't deny that possibility.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85067263


Ummm yes we do

Look up a little thing called Buddhism
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I am fine with oblivion. It isn't scary to me at all. Once you're wiped from existence, you'll have no awareness of anything. Your existence will be meaningless. Why is that scary?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85067263


What is scary is the fact that life would be better without you and that it is hard to justify that you should ever get a second chance to make this world worse than what it is. That is what is scary
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37089833


that it is hard to justify that you should ever get a second chance to make this world worse than what it is

I don't want to justify that. I would choose oblivion over coming back here again. What's scary about what you're describing?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85067263


Translation: "Justify why I shouldn't kill you."
 Quoting: Sweet Jesus!


That's a different topic for a different thread. We're getting way off topic now.
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
First define what a gift means in your logic in this particular case and circumstances.

A gift, for me, is a surprise, and not neccessary a good one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84975597


My definition of anything here is meaningless for you. You need to define that for yourself. This is a thread about self-exploration, and I can't do that for you. My self-exploration is meaningless for you and vice versa.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85067263


Wizards are all the same. You talk nonsense while making wise and meaningful faces.

You demand proof that life is a gift but then say its about our self-exploration. Are you a woman?

So you want that we think about if life is a gift or not.

Yes, Life is a gift.
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
The real question is should your life be renewed? Should you exist for eternity? Is life better without you? Is it best that you were never created?

Scary thought, isn't it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37089833


I am fine with oblivion. It isn't scary to me at all. Once you're wiped from existence, you'll have no awareness of anything. Your existence will be meaningless. Why is that scary?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85067263


What is scary is the fact that life would be better without you and that it is hard to justify that you should ever get a second chance to make this world worse than what it is. That is what is scary
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37089833


that it is hard to justify that you should ever get a second chance to make this world worse than what it is

I don't want to justify that. I would choose oblivion over coming back here again. What's scary about what you're describing?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85067263


The oblivion is not what is scary, what is scary is the fact that maybe you and I are no good and never should have existed in the first place. Oblivion is not scary
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
Can you prove it isn't?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69366476


No. We don't know the purpose of life. I will admit that it could be the greatest gift imaginable. I can't deny that possibility.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85067263


Ummm yes we do

Look up a little thing called Buddhism
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83078403


Beliefs are not facts. rolleyes
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Re: Can you prove human life is a gift?
Can you prove it isn't?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69366476


No. We don't know the purpose of life. I will admit that it could be the greatest gift imaginable. I can't deny that possibility.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85067263


Ummm yes we do

Look up a little thing called Buddhism
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83078403


Buddhism is popular because it numbs a person to caste systems. It offers nothing more than that to a human being. If allowed to misrepresent themselves as 'good' or a 'fact of nature,' the ruling class don't become good or live in accord with nature. It's been thousands of years for the rulership of humanity to rule well. They never do, just write stories.





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