What decade was the peak of American civilization? POLL | |
Katipo
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Ostria1
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Undestroyer
Truth User ID: 81433187 United States 12/25/2022 06:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | other/explain: Our perception of the present is tainted so we must admit that our understanding of the past is especially so. what do we know of the 1700 and 1800s? the antiquitech the horrors perhaps? what is so great about the last 50 years other then the fact that we were at least here? the technology? really? is this evolutiion? I do not think so or more accurately, I do not really know. And neither does anybody. :) You cannot destroy my vision when you see my vision undestroyed because I am just an undestroyer. Thread: Food Combining Made Easy by Herbert Shelton a progenitor from the Natural Hygienist Movement "I am a hunter of peace, one who chases the elusive mayfly of love... errr something like that." -Vash the Stampede |
FLY BOY™
aka BBQ Boy User ID: 81759931 United States 12/25/2022 06:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The industrial revolution from around 1760 to 1840. I am a thinker so make sure your stuff adds up before I start calculating. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
MadCitySleeper
User ID: 21160452 United States 12/25/2022 06:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It all went truly to hell when the government abandoned the people's ideology of "don't get involved in europe's shit". (and then proceeded to run a massive propaganda campaign to change said people's ideology) However, it was going downhill before then anyways. I'd say the peak was probably the 1830s. A lot of the goings on of that decade show the proper style and heart of American civilization. |
hankie
Everything User ID: 80628258 United States 12/25/2022 06:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We have not reached our full civilization we gone back to Babylon recently. I am not kidding about Babylon, but these times have come up over and over at times in the past until they wane and people changed back, usually there is group who is involved in starting these type things. Civilization they claim has fallen, no there was no true civilization, technology was gain not civilization, those people were not really civilized never, you may as well say it was window dressing called civilized. The morals of most of the old Empires that was called civilized were horrible I really mean horrible depraved technology was gaining during those day in all of them but the depravity also gained a lot till it crashed and burned. They had a lot of god, personal god and they had them idols everywhere, they were not our creator, these were made up god that allow all their depravity. God was hidden because they knew about him, but they didn't like the rules because it didn't allow for them to be bad and know they were being bad and good didn't appeal to them. This was also going on before Hitler but he also was depraved in other ways and techology was part of it, gained in techology but patted themselves on the back and said, look how great we are, no they weren't they used other people and murder and torture for science people, it doesn't stop being depraved if it done for science and doing it by using people you force to be a lab rat. I can say it had happened again and they only way to stop the fall is to repent of their ways and stop it cold. Or there is going to be a lot of very poor people not just a few people other don't care about, no this will be everyone and no one escape this. What goes around comes around and you pay the piper as the saying goes. They been doing what God said they would do, everything evil they will do, murder, in all forms, buying and selling people, living high above others thinking they are rulers of the old, no right now until it end Satan controls the world, and he the piper. He not The Lord God, but he the piper from hell. Sorry I got a headache These are the times that tries men's and women's souls! May we come though it victorious! |
Overgoverned
User ID: 80531037 12/25/2022 06:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This question isn't simple to answer. The fact that I don't know exactly what you mean by "civilization" doesn't help me with my contemplation. Does civilization mean a peaceful, semi-orderly society? A culture that offers lots of tasty stuff to consumers? A point in time where the future sounds exciting (exciting in a good way)? Something else? In my vast personal experience, each decade has failed to meet the preceding decade's standard. The pace of the decline is accelerating. Accelerating alarmingly. I don't know how much resilience we can rely on; I liken our current situation to the Tacoma Narrows suspension bridge. This bridge was built in 1938-40, and was opened to traffic in July, 1940. During construction, the workmen were aware that the bridge had a lot of wiggle in it. Not to scare anyone, but all bridges shimmy. Skyscrapers sway. The smart guys were confident that the bridge would be fine. And it was fine . . . for four months. Then came a semi-windy November day. The bridge wobbled in its "normal" response to the wind, then the harmonics of the wobble got into just the right synch and the wobble grew similar to a flag flapping in the wind. The bridge flapped for a few minutes, which is impressive. But "unsustainable", as we like to say nowadays. No more bridge. America's current wobble should serve as a warning. Things are wobbly. At this point, I don't see it being fixable. Five years ago? Possibly. But not today. It's not a matter of if, but when. But I digress, of course. I remember the 1980s as being okay, but a big part of that was my perspective (my age and optimism – the future's so bright, I gotta wear shades). The 1970s were probably better, and the 1960s were better still. When we get to the '50s, I have to start to factor in things like "comfort" and "lifestyle", but even so, the '50s were probably better. And the '40s were even better. Yes, there was a lot of ugly stuff underway, but America was strong. The '30s may be an aberration to my theory. I wasn't there, but I think the '30s may have sucked. I'd have to go back in time to experience a week or two of it to know for sure, though. The '20s were pretty great. Not perfect, but life was good. Life was also comparatively hard. I'm boring myself here, so I'll fast-forward (actually fast-reverse). The 1850s were good. In fact, the entire first half of the 19th century was pretty good. The 1860s were problematic, similar to the 1940s, only worse. And it was in the 1860s that Washington, DC began to metastasize into what it's become today. The metastasis of government has a lot to do with how America has lost its magic. So . . . there's a good case to be made that things have gone downhill from Day One in 1787. The lads in Philadelphia had a near-perfect concept. A steady pattern of non-improvements has followed. Would I like to go back to the 1790s? Sure, but I'm not sure I'd want to stay there. I'm a creature of what I've become accustomed to. I'd miss GLP too much, for one thing. Put me in the 1940s (preferably the latter half of the '40s), and I'd feel honestly optimistic about the future. Things were semi-comfortable in the '40s, and the comforts were improving steadily. At least I'd be able to survive; I'm not sure I'd survive long if I were teleported to 1792. |
Judethz
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sleepytool
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Super El Nino 2024
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ChillCat
User ID: 83296224 United States 12/25/2022 08:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1891 to 1900. Tesla and the other scientists of the world were on fire. Knowledge was flying and society was moving forward in a major way. Although the invasion started at the end of this decade, the country was still pretty united at that point. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81882065 I didn’t vote for this, but I should have. The excitement and optimism of this period can not be overstated. To the people of that time it was as though monumental discoveries of science and nature could go on forever. These discoveries applied at the practical level massively improved living standards in simply wondrous ways. It must’ve boggled the mind. Read any literature produced during this period and you can’t miss the palpable sense of adventure and positive energy. ChillCat |
miguelito
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wisconsin human
User ID: 9213071 United States 12/25/2022 08:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . ... really never was ... the "founders" of the usofa were looking for an alternative of ruling, different from all they were familiar with through history ... . ... and sadly even their system proves humans are NOT capable of ruling themselves ...... . . Our family celebrates The Lord's Feasts: [link to www.grafted-promise.net] Fools and the dead don't change their minds. Fools won't and the dead can't. When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar. You are only telling the world that you fear what he might say. Quoting: CountryWise Amos 5:13 - Therefore at such a time the prudent person keeps silent, for it is an evil time. |
Busy Beaver
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Riff-Raff
User ID: 84984423 United States 12/25/2022 08:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I came here to post exactly this. The peak of American civilization was September 10, 2001. "Collapse is a process, not an event." - Unknown "It's in your nature to destroy yourselves." - Terminator 2 "Risking my life for people I hate for reasons I don't understand." - Riff-Raff Deputy Director - DEFCON Warning System |
Exusiai
User ID: 72164911 United States 12/25/2022 08:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Saturday morning cartoons were a cultural event. Bedtime being nudged for Johnny Carson hosting Robin Williams or a Carnac skit. Going to the Mall and actually being able to get lost with time there. Safe enough (at least in my area) to be able to use street lamps as the sign to come home in the summer. No social media, computers were in infancy and still had some magical mystery to them. Movies like Back to the Future, War Games, and Weird Science are all examples. A Friday night was simple: Tank of gas and whatever beverages you could get ahold of. Find someplace in the back country and just escape. People actually had to talk to each other. Pisses me off now that everyone treats Facebook like their own CIA/FBI dossier file cabinet to peruse whenever they meet someone. What happened to asking questions and giving honest answers? Also seemed to be about the last gasp for when people actually reached out and tried to be neighbors instead of people just living next to each other. Thought that might have started a revival in 2020, but I was foolish in that. |
BigSister
User ID: 84582412 United States 12/25/2022 09:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There was a low point economically in the U.S. during the Depression after the 1929 crash when more than 50% of the labor force (mostly men with large families) lost their jobs. I know of at least one family personally of a wife and six children who's husband/father abandoned them because he was unable to support his family and if he abandoned them his wife and children would get public help so they wouldn't starve. A lot of men did this during the Depression. In these families the wife and any children old enough to find paying work had to work, one kid old enough to work would be picked to replace the mother in her absence at work to stay home, clean house, cook, and watch the younger ones who were too young to work. These were tough times. This is the era that sparked the "New Deal" and the U.S. became a "welfare state" that probably led to future steady decline. After WW2 the U.S. began to prosper once again. Between 1946-1965 were possibly the most prosperous times in the U.S.: The best of times. I would say the U.S. was at the peak of prosperity at 1965, and it began to slowly, if you could call it that because it actually was a pretty fast decline, after that. By the end of the 70s the divorce rate was at it's highest, and remained at it's highest until 1981. The only reason for the decline in divorces rates in the 80s is because fewer people were getting married. Now today, the millennials and Zs are nearly 100% not getting married and they are having the children out of wedlock. This is the end of the family period. "The divorce rate had risen steadily from 2.5 in 1966 to a peak of 5.3 in both 1979 and 1981." [link to www.cdc.gov (secure)] As family is the backbone of society, I would use the general well-being of families and family life as the indicator both economically and socially, with the ability for one wage earner to earn wages that support a family with a husband and wife 2 to 8 children most/all with the same two biological parents. The family began to break apart in the late sixties with the passage of no-fault divorce laws in many States, now today it's all States. With the increases in divorce, women and children began to be thrown into poverty as men began to dump their wives and abandoned their families, and often women divorced their demoralized husbands unable to earn a decent wage increasingly became abusive alcoholics and drug addicts. Women were pressured to support themselves and often her multiple children and into the labor market taking jobs away from men further eroding men's job prospects, as women accepted lower wages than men. This was the beginning of the end of the family. It went from bad to worse in the 80s with the passage of so called "fair trade" deals and we heard that "loud sucking sound" of manufacturing jobs going south to Mexico and overseas where people were willing to work the same jobs for as slow as $2 a day, and even more men and now women out of good jobs. Nowadays we are living in the "McJob" economy. If we really want to fix this and turn this around, we must rebuild and restore the family as the backbone of our society. Most importantly: Men need good paying jobs period that can support a family. Without a good job, a man is miserable and becomes demoralized. Last Edited by BigSister on 12/25/2022 09:36 AM Your BigSister has some sage advice and opinions to offer characterized by wisdom, prudence, and good judgment through reflection and experience if you will receive it. |
TheGodLikeBrianMoran
User ID: 84923461 United States 12/25/2022 09:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1970 was about the year that division and polarization went from being circumstance to being effectively used as ruling class strategy in the USA. It's been down hill since then. The year that I was born the General Motors corporation and the General Electric corporation were the two biggest employers in the USA. Both unionized. Today the Walmart corporation and the Amazon corporation are the two biggest employers in the USA. Neither is unionized. Who are the two biggest beneficiaries of the depressed wages created by the Biden administration policy of legitimized and subsidized border infiltration? Who are the two biggest beneficiaries of the new working poor consumers created by the Biden administration policy of legitimized and subsidized border infiltration? Jeff Bezos, Jim, Rob and Alice Walton are serial murderers. In addition to those they murder by drugs and violence with the open border policies they pay for, these people use antiquated high capacity weapon of mass destruction trucks and trailers to regularly murder innocent people while moving their goods on public property. In a few years these people will still be using trucks with 1870 steam train brake controls and you will be driving a car that you will have to prove sobriety to in order to drive. The government will also have the ability to disable that car whenever it chooses. We didn't get to this place without a whole bunch of division and lies. The robber barons of the late 19th century can't hold a candle to the murder barons of the early 21st century. Government is necessary evil, the people who pay for bad government are unnecessary evil. The people of the USA don't need protests or insurrection to solve their government problem... |
LenK
User ID: 82780597 United States 12/25/2022 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What do you think, feel free to explain and feel welcome to narrow it down to a date or event. Quoting: The Gullible Skeptic Other. 1780s is the correct answer. Explain please! "Even the most gentle of beings must defend themselves when attacked." Commander Krel - Battle for Terra |
LenK
User ID: 82780597 United States 12/25/2022 09:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What do you think, feel free to explain and feel welcome to narrow it down to a date or event. Quoting: The Gullible Skeptic 1700's up to 1776. The true freedom ended and the Masonic/Satanic Republic was born. I am confused. The colonies were still under English rule and oppressed by taxation. Can you elaborate a bit? "Even the most gentle of beings must defend themselves when attacked." Commander Krel - Battle for Terra |
WalrusRider
User ID: 77947460 United States 12/25/2022 09:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It would have to be before the federal reserve, and before the income tax. After those things, it really stopped being our civilization. Last Edited by WalrusRider on 12/25/2022 09:30 AM All billionaires, banksters, and people in high-ranking positions of power (both public and private) who have not openly and strongly come out against woke ideology and globalism are our enemies - as are their minions. They are the NWO. |
Gypo O'Leary
User ID: 78953382 United States 12/25/2022 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Peak of America was 1890 decade. The White Man had built amazing technical marvelous cities filled with libraries and concert halls. The Continent had been civilized, the Wars against the Stone Age people was over in the 1880s. It was settled. White Supremacy - the idea that Western Civilization was the greatest society ever created by man kind was widely held by people who were called 'The Progressives'. But that decade also was the start of a secondary wave of European migration that began to fill the country's cities with eastern and southern Europeans. And hence the decline was seeded between the 1890s and 1920. They brought communism, labor strife, socialism. A. Nonymous Coward |
burneracct
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Room222
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4warned
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uscrusader1
User ID: 79524545 United States 12/25/2022 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 50's-60's, then we started to integrate the problem into society, leading to its spiral down. |
PanosGR
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 84046136 United States 12/25/2022 10:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A few here agree with me. By all metrics, it was 90-2000. I can remember the world seemed alive and vibrant from the 70s-early 2000s then a wellspring of fear began to overtake the entire nation. My quiet little ranch became a "prep compound" because we started gardens and installed a propane fed whole house generator. Question the government, "you're not a patriot" became the battle cry of the RINOs. Conversely, the liberals began protecting the very people attacking us. The divisions grew and grew then the COVID. 1991-2000 we saw so many amazing things that led to an equally amazing early 2000s. And even with 9/11, we had hope. Now? Now is utter despair. People just feel crushed. |
Grognak the Ballbareian
User ID: 81558040 United States 12/25/2022 10:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 41-51 Most will say 51-61 but in my opinion that was the point where America started going downhill. |
Fire & Ice
User ID: 66828859 United States 12/25/2022 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Right before Piglosi came to power in the house. She corrupted the entire government without her fundraising schemes. Proud to be deplorable The only constant is change The winds of anger, blows out the candle of intelligence "Slowly, like moisture entering the dying tree trunk, slowly filling and rotting it, so did the world and inertia creep into his soul; it slowly filled his soul, made it heavy, made it tired, sent it to sleep" "One must find the source within one's own Self, one must possess it" |