Where is Tribulation Saints mentioned in the Bible?

If pretrib rapture happens, that is God's perfect will.
If pretrib rapture doesn't happen, that is still God's perfect will.

Who are we to tell God what is His perfect will should be? And if He doesn't obey us, then we "lose faith" in Him?

If anyone "lose faith" because God didn't meet their expectations, one way or another, their faith was never in God! Their faith was in themselves, for they thought they knew better than God and expected God to subject Himself to their expectation.

If your faith is in God, then whatever God does with you, whehter pretrib rapture or not, you praise Him for you know He is perfect and His plan is perfect! God is in charge and you are just His vessel. He can do with you whatever He wants to!

a million of us now on this world...

Matthew 16
21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.


John 15:20 Context

17These things I command you, that ye love one another. 18If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. 21But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me. 22If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin. 23He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

Romans
Chapter 8
31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1 Thessalonians 3:4 Context

1Wherefore when we could no longer forbear, we thought it good to be left at Athens alone; 2And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith: 3That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto. 4For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know. 5For this cause, when I could no longer forbear, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter have tempted you, and our labour be in vain. 6But now when Timotheus came from you unto us, and brought us good tidings of your faith and charity, and that ye have good remembrance of us always, desiring greatly to see us, as we also to see you: 7Therefore, brethren, we were comforted over you in all our affliction and distress by your faith:

Chuck Baldwin live is a great place to look...he goes into depth on some of the lies that have been taught.

Not mentioned in the bible.. made up

under the altar in Revelation 6

- martyred during the trib.
they have no resurrection body

all other believers who were martyred before the trib.
participate in the "believer's" resurrection
and rapture of the believers who are alive

as depicted in 1 Thessalonians 4

the dead in Christ rise first and the living believers are changed and caught up to meet them in the clouds

also
1 Cor. 15
50 Now this I say, brethren,
that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;
nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery:
We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible,
and we shall be changed.
^ believers alive at that moment of the resurrection of the dead in Christ
are changed and given their resurrection body without tasting death

those who don't believe and then believe during the trib.
are martyred and go under the altar until all things are complete and the trib. is over

then they get their resurrection body for the 1000 year reign and eternity

In the form of a 7 year tribulation, there is no pre-trib, mid-trib, or pos-trib rapture. In general, there is a "rapture", but only after all is said and done, and this world is done with. Messages like pre-tribulation raptures are most certainly messages that come in the form of "peace and safety" [1 Thes 5:3].

2 Timothy 3:12  Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

The 7 Year Tribulation, as a whole, is built completely off the back of a misinterpreted prophecy. It takes the final week of Daniel 9 to refer to antichrist, when it literally referred to the work of Jesus Christ almost two years ago!

It is only important that one believes one is a sinner and turns away from sin and toward the Savior, asking for forgiveness of sins and asking Jesus to come into one's heart. Believes that Jesus Christ, as the only (unique), sinless, son of God died willingly for your sins as the substitute payment for sin. That one believes it was a free gift and accepts (eternal life with Christ) Salvation. That Jesus' perfect sacrifice was accepted by God the Father, and raised His Son again on the third day to be seated at God's right hand.

Scheduling of events is not important. Followers of Christ are in God's hand and he will provide.

no the cosmos does not work that way... Period. the thousand reign has already started..

nope

the 1000 year reign is
described as
Christ is physically present on earth and
Rules from Jerusalem with a Rod of Iron
there are no predators : no prey
the wolf will lay down with the lamb
the lion will eat straw like the ox
a child will put his hand in the cobras den and be unharmed


none of that is happening yet
therefore we are not in the 1000 year reign

I keep gettingbanned4 saying this- the 144k is uR.ge.no.me- there is no tribe ofNeptalim or most of the other tribes listed- look at the spelling! also research the meaning of these "tribes" Ya is talking about something else-in code. It is the same speaking of all humans as the bride- yes men will be ready too- the virgins made themselves ready and didn't "do" something everyone else did. What could that be? ]--]===>--

Trib saints are in Mat 24- everyone is here until Mat 24:29 "after the tribulation"

Mat 25 the wise virgins imo pure from the GMO's trimmed their wicks (day of darkness is coming)
Mat 24:44-46 the wise servant has meat in due season (keep in mind the no buyingNselling is rapidly coming)

As far as Rev-
13:7- power was given to make war with them
6:9 slain 4 the Word
Chapter7 is talking about the hum.anGen.ome imo because when you add a trip.leHel.ix the number is6x60x600the.exact number we were told to watch 4. The doubl.e.Hel.ix.is-144kG.enome
Also if you read through chapter 7, when u get to verse 9 u find a number that no man could # are in white robes
7:14

Revelatio.n 12:17 the dra.gon went to make war with the remn.ant- specifically those that keep the commandments of God.and the faith in Yahuah

Chapter 4 talks about the 144k- again, start looking up all!! The words in the greek and hebrew

Chapter 15:2 talks about those that got victory over the.beast AND his image AND his mark AND his # AND his name

This is why I believe there can b.repentance up until the worsh.ip.Rev14:9



- Sorry 4 being so choppy- trying not to write all this out and get poofed again

I used to like him.. long forgot about him...

he is not ruling from that sick place.. He is aboard ship now and often ON the planet... we are going into the 4th years of it in February... the basic area is COLORADO... The 10,000 person government is already in place and ready after the magnetic reversal.. and the reversal is IN YOUR BIBLE.. when the stars roll backwards.

some offices and such in New York too... and lots of other places around the world set in place along with lots of colleges...

this above is a grabage post.. the creation does not work that way... how in hell does anybody go under an ulter.. that is carp deluxe

Revelation 7:13 and onward. It can’t be any clearer.

hey mum
you believe what you want to believe

I've never attacked your beliefs

do me the same courtesy

I'm simply quoting what is written

Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Rev 14:12-13 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Rev 20:4-6 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

'Rapture' is the First Resurrection.

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What translation are you using?

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The KJV doesn't have the world 'the'...

Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

YOUR translation makes it seem that those ofolks came ONLY from the End Times.

That is wrong.

It's a 'great multitude'.

Folks have been getting beheaded for Christ since He was killed.

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Newer translation are purposely mistranslated to fit the rapture, antichrist, 7 year tribulation third coming of Christ deception.

Pre tribulation rapture not in Bible. It’s all about resurrection, that’s the word you will find again and again.

Trinity not in Bible, Father, Son and their spirit together.

Tribulation saints come during tribulation, we are not into tribulation yet (3033-2034 it starts)

Pre tribulation rapture not in Bible. It’s all about resurrection, that’s the word you will find again and again.

Trinity not in Bible. Father, Son and their spirit together found in Bible.

Tribulation saints come during tribulation, we are not into tribulation yet (2033-2034 it starts)

Lots of false doctrines out there.

Last Edited by WisdomSeek on 11/19/2022 11:06 PM

There is no 7 year peace treaty. The covenant is the new covenant confirmed by the sacrifice of Christ who died in the middle of the week. There is only 3.5 years left of the week not 7 years left. Christ is the one who ended the sacrafice.

Daniel 9:26-27 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Last Edited by Achduke7 on 11/19/2022 11:18 PM

Agreed!

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They are not. The Church is not mentioned after chapter 3 of Revelation, and at the end...

The other Christians after chapter 3, and the 144,000 are called The Elect, and The 144,000, respectfully. They AFAIK are not part of the Body of Christ... although clearly they will be in heaven as well.