Where is Tribulation Saints mentioned in the Bible?

It’s all supernatural

They call it rapture... the bible calls it the (change)
or the translation..

When people realize this (as you have) many will question their faith... they have been told this their whole lives.

Well in revelation 4 we are taken up to heaven and the church is no longer mentioned

Well Yahusha prayed to the Father to leave us in the world and protect us.
Why would he take us out of it after this prayer?

John 17:15-17

15 I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.

Revelation 7
King James Version
(and this would be after seal six)

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

then later in the chapter

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


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... and this is seal six reference ...
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Revelation 6
King James Version

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

The throne will be located in New Jerusalem.

Me too, I don't believe it's 100% provable either way.....but I do think those that condemn others and threaten people's promise of salvation with the doctrine, pro or con, are seriously misrepresenting the Word.

What matters is that He is Coming!!

Love My Jesus, God Bless and Jesus Saves!!

I’ve had people say Satan got to me for not believing in the rapture anymore. I only bring it up because I’m concerned about the false hope people will have waiting for Yahusha when things get bad. Guaranteed some will lose faith because of this. Plus who knows what Satan will say about it!

I don’t know why people think we are more special then Yahusha’s 12 disciples? They were all killed for the Faith.

Me too! Scripture does say we will be protected. That I believe.

Yes, I too hope people are ready either way and you are kind in your warning....some are not so kind and I don't think that is right. I am so hoping He comes soon but I also understand that we may see some very tough times ahead, But I will stand on my faith, whenever He comes, no matter what!!

AT last a million of us are incarnate on the planet now.

Kate is correct. No second chance. No rescue from the Time of Trouble, only grace & protection to endure.

Not only 'pre-trib' is false, but 'trib, rapture, 4 horses, 8 horseman, 144-k, JC, AC, etc...' are all false as well. Pre-tribbers, tribbers and the like better be them all prepared for what's to come. Lies run deep in this world.

Last Edited by Miri2019 on 10/04/2022 03:11 PM

The only rapture is when Christ returns. The great tribulation began this September, so we have 7 years to go, we are the tribulation saints if we persevere to the end.

Agree.

"They" have a calendar that they're fulfilling, really ramping it up now.

Full armour on, we are going to battle!

Revelation 13:7

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Revelation 6


4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:4

Ignored by Rapture people

Thanks for a good question!

It is the trumpets that helped me decide what I believe:

Mat 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Co 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

(recommend reading previous chapter for context...)
Rev 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, (trumpet) the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets....Rev 11:15

And the seventh angel sounded (trumpet); and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Reading the context will show you that the seventh trumpet in Revelation 11:15 is the Last Trumpet mentioned in I Corinthians 15:51. You can read the previous 6 Trumpets to see what happens BEFORE we are "changed."

At that point, in my opinion, Revelation 12 shifts gears to talk about a group of people who are saved through the time of trouble and how they are kept.

Tribulation are for the royal, elite, impious and sinners.

Rapture doesn't compute to me for I do have eternal life [soul].

The only Rapture I understand are unclean spirits who had lost their soul.

Which is mankind that had overtaken 58% of the world population.

Flesh is temporary, soul is garment, and without garment you're naked.

For the Soul is Ethereal.

"They also play a very important role in preserving the United States from extinction by warring forces that are soon to attack its shores. That only by this Divine Intervention will the enemy be driven, and that the destiny of the United States will be assured as the example that will be set as Christ returns, and that this Nation will serve Mankind until the End Time when the Physical Universe is no longer needed and is dissolved back into its Ethereal form.

Ashtar also represents one of countless Hosts similar to those who manifested in the times of Isaiah and slew thousands of Philistines in the preservation of the Israelites. The history of the dawn of Man records countless manifestations of these Herald Angels." - Ashtar A Tribute

Most people don't want to think about the nuclear rapture.


It will happen for some, in the blink of an eye.

Daniel 12:12 Context

9And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 13But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

If the tribulation begun, who signed the 7 year peace treaty?
Who is the antichrist?
What date was the 7 year peace treaty signed?
Who is the false prophet?
When did the third temple begin construction?

There won't be a physical third temple here on earth.

See, people don't understand. Jesus made the New Covenant Spiritual. He did away with the old Covenant and all of the Levite Priesthood. By His death and Resurrection, He fulfilled brought the old Covenant to a close. It is no longer something man has control of on earth. He instituted a new Spiritual Priesthood under the Melchizedek order of which Jesus is High Priest.

The third temple bs is from those who killed Jesus. They don't acknowledge Him even today as Savior of Mankind. They are still stuck on the worldly aspects, which Christ nullified upon the cross.

Jesus was the ultimate and final sacrifice. No animal sacrifice can ever accomplish what He did for all men once and for all time.

For this reason, the building of a 3rd temple here on earth would in fact be an abomination. It may be what kicks off the mid point of tribulation.

Revelation 7:14
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Here is the trumpet, which is the voice of God saying come up hither at the end of the church age. Jesus said He is the door. The church is not mentioned by name again after Rev 3 due to Jesus turning His attention to Israel. Rev then begins using a lot of J symbols from the OT symbolizing this change of His attention.

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

God said come up here and I will show you things which must be hereafter the rapture. Rev 5 is the scene in heaven after the rapture of all born again believers.

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Taken from every nationality, language, country...

Rev 6 is the opening of the seals and is the beginning of judgment on unbelievers.

This is also God's mercy. The seals, trumpets, and vials will get many people saved out of institutional religion.

2 Thess 2 states the AC can't be revealed until the restrainer is taken out of the way. Holy Spirit is the restrainer that holds him back and the HS is in all born again believers.

At some point there will be a fake world peace and the world will shout peace and safety, but then sudden destruction comes and THEY shall not escape. The AC will come with with deception and flattery. World will be a global govt with 10 regions, each ruled by 1 king/leader. The AC will come on the scene and kill 3 of these kings.

If your faith is in God, it doesn't matter when the rapture happens. Pretrib, midtrib, posttrib. Doesn't matter. People who "lose their faith" had their faith in something else. Perhaps their faith was in prosperity, not in God.

"These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world. - John 16:33

I believe pretrib, midtrib, postrib raptures are all possible and not necessarily mutually exclusive. Plenty of things happen everyday that is not mentioned in the Bible. The Bible doesn't definitively exclude any rapture theory.

I don't understand why some people think believing or unbelieving in whichever rapture theory is essential. It is not. The guy who died next to Jesus on the cross wasn't worrying over rapture theories, yet he is in paradise with Jesus.

I hope pretrib rapture happens, but my faith is in Jesus, not in what I hope Him to specifically do. Let His will be done, whatever it is!

A good comparison is asking for healing.

Many Christians who have struggled with lifelong ilness hope for healing, but their faith is in God, not in the healing itself, and if God doesn't heal this temporary vessel, I still rejoice, for His will be done! Just like God didn't heal Paul's thorn in his flesh, and yet he praised God more, knowing his illness is part of God's perfect plan.

"And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to His purpose." - Romans 8:28

ALL THINGS! Pretrib, midtrib, posttrib, or multiple, raptures, whatever happens, it is God's perfect plan! And that means whatever doesn't happen, that was not in God's perfect plan. If something happens different than our expectations, who are we to say we know better than God? If that causes us to "lose faith", then we thougth we knew better than God, so our faith was never n God!

Once you put your faith in God, once you die and let Him live, then you don't worry about what comes or doesn't come in the future. You are His vessel. Whatever He does with you is the best no matter what it is!