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 User ID: 81212788  United States09/26/2022 12:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Morning OP Quoting: FHL(C) blessings in YAHshua and His non secret return at the end of the great tribulation, not before or during that terrible time The Days of Lot and Noah describe a time of relative normal. Not the end of the Tribulation after the world has been through the worst upheavals and destruction in history. All kinds of evil was going on in noah and lots time. The bible even says the days of the end will be as the days of noah. Wtf are you talking about? To find inspiration, you must look for it, but, fortunately, it wants to be found. Live free. Die well. |
| food for thought User ID: 7196783 United States09/26/2022 12:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: LOL 7196783 John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. " The word rendered "translated" can also mean "transferred elsewhere." Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. we don't have all the details, but one thing is for sure, Enoch did not ascend to heaven and he died in faith. Enoch and elijah were translated and will prob be the two end times witnesses. For its appointed every man once die and then comes judgment. These are the only two yet to die, and the beast will kill them after their testimony is done. metatithemi: translated “to transfer to another place” (Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, 1997, “Translate, Translation”). By faith Enoch was transferred that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had transferred him: for before his transferring he had this testimony, that he pleased God. All these died in faith Consider this possibility, God took Enoch from where he was, a situation in which he likely would have seen death to another place. Genesis 5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: The same thing goes with Elijah, he was taken into the first heaven our atmosphere and went somewhere else. ... No man hath ascended up to heaven, But He that came down from heaven They didn't go into the third heaven. At one time I thought they could be the two witnesses, not anymore. ___ I dont think anyone knows for sure, but we like to think we do, dont we? It makes the unknown easier to digest. When Moses died, there was a fight between Michael and satan for his body, and God buried him in an unknown location. Another possibility is that God transferred Enoch and Elijah to another place for the same reason, where they eventually died and God buried them. All these died in faith Philip after baptizing the Ethiopian man, was transferred to another place. When we interpret scripture by what is clearly stated, and apply that knowledge to things that are not as clear we can reach some conclusions, where they went? that's not certain. |
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User ID: 81212788 United States09/26/2022 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: ~V~ Enoch and elijah were translated and will prob be the two end times witnesses. For its appointed every man once die and then comes judgment. These are the only two yet to die, and the beast will kill them after their testimony is done. metatithemi: translated “to transfer to another place” (Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, 1997, “Translate, Translation”). By faith Enoch was transferred that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had transferred him: for before his transferring he had this testimony, that he pleased God. All these died in faith Consider this possibility, God took Enoch from where he was, a situation in which he likely would have seen death to another place. Genesis 5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: The same thing goes with Elijah, he was taken into the first heaven our atmosphere and went somewhere else. ... No man hath ascended up to heaven, But He that came down from heaven They didn't go into the third heaven. At one time I thought they could be the two witnesses, not anymore. ___ I dont think anyone knows for sure, but we like to think we do, dont we? It makes the unknown easier to digest. When Moses died, there was a fight between Michael and satan for his body, and God buried him in an unknown location. Another possibility is that God transferred Enoch and Elijah to another place for the same reason, where they eventually died and God buried them. All these died in faith Philip after baptizing the Ethiopian man, was transferred to another place. When we interpret scripture by what is clearly stated, and apply that knowledge to things that are not as clear we can reach some conclusions, where they went? that's not certain. There are many mysteries is scripture, and many more in their interpretations. To find inspiration, you must look for it, but, fortunately, it wants to be found. Live free. Die well. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83822062 United States09/26/2022 01:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: 232 Ben Yissachar 7196783 metatithemi: translated “to transfer to another place” (Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, 1997, “Translate, Translation”). By faith Enoch was transferred that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had transferred him: for before his transferring he had this testimony, that he pleased God. All these died in faith Consider this possibility, God took Enoch from where he was, a situation in which he likely would have seen death to another place. Genesis 5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: The same thing goes with Elijah, he was taken into the first heaven our atmosphere and went somewhere else. ... No man hath ascended up to heaven, But He that came down from heaven They didn't go into the third heaven. At one time I thought they could be the two witnesses, not anymore. ___ I dont think anyone knows for sure, but we like to think we do, dont we? It makes the unknown easier to digest. When Moses died, there was a fight between Michael and satan for his body, and God buried him in an unknown location. Another possibility is that God transferred Enoch and Elijah to another place for the same reason, where they eventually died and God buried them. All these died in faith Philip after baptizing the Ethiopian man, was transferred to another place. When we interpret scripture by what is clearly stated, and apply that knowledge to things that are not as clear we can reach some conclusions, where they went? that's not certain. There are many mysteries is scripture, and many more in their interpretations. You dumb asses! The word Rapture doesn't appear in the Holy Scriptures! Doesn't exist! You are not going to be taken from the earth unless you die! |
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User ID: 75583697 United States09/26/2022 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Centex7 Of course there is no evidence the Noah is true. Other cultures have no record of such a flood. The geological record contradicts the myth. But some lie and ignore to keep it going. They're not alone, most religions do the same juzt different god. Enjoy the debate. You're an idiot. There are thousands of flood stories in almost every religion. Please quote the non religious worldwide flood accounts at the approximate time of the Noah myth. oh wait you cant. Cause they would all have been drowned. So at best you could argue the inbred defendants of Noah repeated their journeys as they migrated to all tbd previously underwater continents. Good luck but I appreciate you rely on religions you think are false to prop up your religion. Idiots abound. Or try the historical and geological evidence. Oh wait, don't look there. Must be Satan minions spreading facts based on science. We know science is just where evil lives...don't we. You mean Carbon14 based dating. The one that science still uses, even though Science has proved it to be highly inaccurate? (So all those "dates" in prehistory are questionable.) Scientists have long recognized that carbon dating is subject to error because of a variety of factors, including contamination by outside sources of carbon. Carbon dating is deemed unreliable for objects older than about 30,000 years old. Who told you that? Science found the limitations of carbon dating. See science is always looking for evidence to reject a accepted theory or present a new one. I assume you are aware of the other dating methods and have chosen to ignore them as they question the historical truth of the worldwide flood. Other dating methods include historical records. For example the Egyptian records of the period record no such flood. As do Asian cultures. Only the bible make the claim of a woodside flood. Further the completely false claim of the method of the flood. The windows above the earth that opened and poured down the flood. Plus flood waters shot up from the ocean and seas. Which is why one should read it as a historical fiction. That allows specific correct claims, the Red Sea etc. Yet the main narrative is not supported, Noah or God. But good point that science corrects science. |
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User ID: 75583697 United States09/26/2022 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Centex7 Yes flood stories abound. In fact there are at least 3 in the last week. See they are norm natural weather events. They are not an angry God upset about his flawed creations. Of course who would write about a flood that killed everyone on earth? Only Noah folks survived. So either they spread the tale and their descendents migrated, abandoned Noah's god, thought up a new one(s) but kept the flood tale they never witnessed. Excellent reasons to hold the myth tighter and tighter. You sound like Pharoah when Moses brought the plagues Moses? You are aware his actual being real vs a character in a story is doubted by Bible and historical researchers? So you are using a doubted person to bolster a thoroughly debunked tale. Why? I understand if anything contradicts the Bible it must be rejected regardless of its evidence. I just don't quite get lying or rejecting reason to keep , at best, what might be a story to make a point. Believe or not, your choice. I'm not calling you names, just making a statement. It's good to doubt and ask questions... Thomas lived with Jesus and still doubted. Jesus loves him too, He understands. The fact that you are here on this thread tells me you have questions too. I also have questions, the answers to which I will not receive while on this earth. But someday I will ask God myself. Do you think you are smarter than God? No or more generous than Santa. You are correct that I question a lot. Not a troll but the greatest claim ever made is god(s). Yet we have poor evidence of any of them. I realize Jesus believers believe. So do all the believers of all the other gods. If God makes its reality so confusing and hidden, my only question is why? Yet the threat of eternal punishment if I don't! I keep asking and I get poorly reasoned arguments or flat out lies. I only get called an idiot or Satan spawn vs execution by other god believers. |
| Just†Me User ID: 84265323  Norway09/26/2022 04:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Centex7 Yes flood stories abound. In fact there are at least 3 in the last week. See they are norm natural weather events. They are not an angry God upset about his flawed creations. Of course who would write about a flood that killed everyone on earth? Only Noah folks survived. So either they spread the tale and their descendents migrated, abandoned Noah's god, thought up a new one(s) but kept the flood tale they never witnessed. Excellent reasons to hold the myth tighter and tighter. You sound like Pharoah when Moses brought the plagues Moses? You are aware his actual being real vs a character in a story is doubted by Bible and historical researchers? So you are using a doubted person to bolster a thoroughly debunked tale. Why? I understand if anything contradicts the Bible it must be rejected regardless of its evidence. I just don't quite get lying or rejecting reason to keep , at best, what might be a story to make a point. Believe or not, your choice. I'm not calling you names, just making a statement. It's good to doubt and ask questions... Thomas lived with Jesus and still doubted. Jesus loves him too, He understands. The fact that you are here on this thread tells me you have questions too. I also have questions, the answers to which I will not receive while on this earth. But someday I will ask God myself. Do you think you are smarter than God? as usual, people that reject God will attack the bible which is the only historical record that has proven itself accurate over and over and over never to be disproven. Its in their nature to do it, but the truth is theres no evidence that disproves Moses, and lots of evidence that proves him, so why wouldnt you believe he existed? Overview of the area of the exodus of Moses after the saudis opened up to the outside world: Tim Mahoneys patterns of evidence: Moses controversy: (and i ofcourse have both DVDs) ipuwer papyrus: [link to earlychurchhistory.org (secure)] Some other archeological evidence of Moses: ...etc etc. |
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User ID: 81212788 United States09/26/2022 04:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | With all the shifting belief systems and so called truths in this world, I just try to be a good person. And I drink beer. That seems to me to more true than most other bullshit. To find inspiration, you must look for it, but, fortunately, it wants to be found. Live free. Die well. |
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(OP) User ID: 84265323 Norway09/26/2022 04:19 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | With all the shifting belief systems and so called truths in this world, I just try to be a good person. Quoting: ~V~ And I drink beer. That seems to me to more true than most other bullshit. Youre not a good person, youre an evil blaspheming lying cursing sinner like everyone else of us which disqualifies you before a Holy God, and you need to quit trusting yourself and instead trust in what Christ did for you, because your justification before God is something only God can give you. Just†Me recomends: Romans 10:13 - “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Some prophecies fullfilled by Jesus: [link to www.gotquestions.org (secure)] The bible for download: [link to rcbi-resources.yolasite.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 65571479 United States09/26/2022 04:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most people have to be right, or be seen as right to appease whatever is inside them. Quoting: ~V~ I dont. I say carry on. I5 will all work itself out. Amen… Imagine if our Lord had the “have to be right” attitude.. Man some folks would have been zapped on the spot.. lol.. And Paul speaks often about such an attitude… Calls it a carnal mind.. “Going to law” with fellow believers… And his destructive it is to the unity of the body.. Peace, |
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User ID: 81212788 United States09/26/2022 04:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | With all the shifting belief systems and so called truths in this world, I just try to be a good person. Quoting: ~V~ And I drink beer. That seems to me to more true than most other bullshit. Youre not a good person, youre an evil blaspheming lying cursing sinner like everyone else of us which disqualifies you before a Holy God, and you need to quit trusting yourself and instead trust in what Christ did for you, because your justification before God is something only God can give you. I believe Jesus over any religion. But thanks for that. I'm a sinner like anyone else, but not a superior one. To find inspiration, you must look for it, but, fortunately, it wants to be found. Live free. Die well. |
| Just†Me
(OP) User ID: 84265323 Norway09/26/2022 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No or more generous than Santa. You are correct that I question a lot. Not a troll but the greatest claim ever made is god(s). Yet we have poor evidence of any of them. I realize Jesus believers believe. So do all the believers of all the other gods. If God makes its reality so confusing and hidden, my only question is why? Yet the threat of eternal punishment if I don't! I keep asking and I get poorly reasoned arguments or flat out lies. I only get called an idiot or Satan spawn vs execution by other god believers. Quoting: Centex7 Nonsense. Scientifically atheism is debunked and science proves the bible. Romans 1:20 is a fact as you can see here: Thread: Science proves the bible But archeology also proves the bible, this is a great resource for that, what i posted over here gives a small idea of what you'll find here: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Just†Me recomends: Romans 10:13 - “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Some prophecies fullfilled by Jesus: [link to www.gotquestions.org (secure)] The bible for download: [link to rcbi-resources.yolasite.com] |
| Just†Me
(OP) User ID: 84265323 Norway09/26/2022 04:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | With all the shifting belief systems and so called truths in this world, I just try to be a good person. Quoting: ~V~ And I drink beer. That seems to me to more true than most other bullshit. Youre not a good person, youre an evil blaspheming lying cursing sinner like everyone else of us which disqualifies you before a Holy God, and you need to quit trusting yourself and instead trust in what Christ did for you, because your justification before God is something only God can give you. I believe Jesus over any religion. But thanks for that. I'm a sinner like anyone else, but not a superior one. https://imgur.com/a/3A0gImCJust†Me recomends: Romans 10:13 - “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Some prophecies fullfilled by Jesus: [link to www.gotquestions.org (secure)] The bible for download: [link to rcbi-resources.yolasite.com] |
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User ID: 81212788 United States09/26/2022 04:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | With all the shifting belief systems and so called truths in this world, I just try to be a good person. Quoting: ~V~ And I drink beer. That seems to me to more true than most other bullshit. Youre not a good person, youre an evil blaspheming lying cursing sinner like everyone else of us which disqualifies you before a Holy God, and you need to quit trusting yourself and instead trust in what Christ did for you, because your justification before God is something only God can give you. I believe Jesus over any religion. But thanks for that. I'm a sinner like anyone else, but not a superior one. https://imgur.com/a/3A0gImCEven Jesus said not all those who call me Lord will be saved. I'm not sure where my judgement lies, and I would be a fool to presume upon God. To find inspiration, you must look for it, but, fortunately, it wants to be found. Live free. Die well. |
| Just†Me
(OP) User ID: 84265323 Norway09/26/2022 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Just†Me Youre not a good person, youre an evil blaspheming lying cursing sinner like everyone else of us which disqualifies you before a Holy God, and you need to quit trusting yourself and instead trust in what Christ did for you, because your justification before God is something only God can give you. I believe Jesus over any religion. But thanks for that. I'm a sinner like anyone else, but not a superior one. https://imgur.com/a/3A0gImCEven Jesus said not all those who call me Lord will be saved. I'm not sure where my judgement lies, and I would be a fool to presume upon God. If you are born again, you are sealed (Ephesians 1:13), its the spirit of God that justifies you, not yourself, you have to be born again as John 3:3-8 states. Dont make it about your own merits, if you trust thats whats going to save you, you'll fail. Also read Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:5, Romans 11:6, John 3:16 etc, you are justified by GRACE trough FAITH. Just†Me recomends: Romans 10:13 - “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Some prophecies fullfilled by Jesus: [link to www.gotquestions.org (secure)] The bible for download: [link to rcbi-resources.yolasite.com] |
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User ID: 81212788 United States09/26/2022 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: ~V~ I believe Jesus over any religion. But thanks for that. I'm a sinner like anyone else, but not a superior one. https://imgur.com/a/3A0gImCEven Jesus said not all those who call me Lord will be saved. I'm not sure where my judgement lies, and I would be a fool to presume upon God. If you are born again, you are sealed (Ephesians 1:13), its the spirit of God that justifies you, not yourself, you have to be born again as John 3:3-8 states. Dont make it about your own merits, if you trust thats whats going to save you, you'll fail. Also read Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:5, Romans 11:6, John 3:16 etc, you are justified by GRACE trough FAITH. You can tell yourself that. Personally I've been a fuckup most of my life. To find inspiration, you must look for it, but, fortunately, it wants to be found. Live free. Die well. |
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| Just†Me
(OP) User ID: 84265323 Norway09/26/2022 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Havent we all. Which is why you know it has to be by grace trough faith. So call on his name. We are like this: Just†Me recomends: Romans 10:13 - “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Some prophecies fullfilled by Jesus: [link to www.gotquestions.org (secure)] The bible for download: [link to rcbi-resources.yolasite.com] |
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User ID: 75583697 United States09/26/2022 09:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No or more generous than Santa. You are correct that I question a lot. Not a troll but the greatest claim ever made is god(s). Yet we have poor evidence of any of them. I realize Jesus believers believe. So do all the believers of all the other gods. If God makes its reality so confusing and hidden, my only question is why? Yet the threat of eternal punishment if I don't! I keep asking and I get poorly reasoned arguments or flat out lies. I only get called an idiot or Satan spawn vs execution by other god believers. Quoting: Centex7 Nonsense. Scientifically atheism is debunked and science proves the bible. Romans 1:20 is a fact as you can see here: Thread: Science proves the bible But archeology also proves the bible, this is a great resource for that, what i posted over here gives a small idea of what you'll find here: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] You can't be serious. Science is non religious. It is our best attempt to explain the reality we live in. Biology, geology,astronomy etc. It doesn't require or exclude gods. Please explain any " miracle" science proved. Supernatural events by definition are outside science. IE dead people come back to life and fly off. Or water is turned into wine. Or a man walked on water? Please provide. |
| Centex7
User ID: 75583697 United States09/26/2022 09:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No or more generous than Santa. You are correct that I question a lot. Not a troll but the greatest claim ever made is god(s). Yet we have poor evidence of any of them. I realize Jesus believers believe. So do all the believers of all the other gods. If God makes its reality so confusing and hidden, my only question is why? Yet the threat of eternal punishment if I don't! I keep asking and I get poorly reasoned arguments or flat out lies. I only get called an idiot or Satan spawn vs execution by other god believers. Quoting: Centex7 Nonsense. Scientifically atheism is debunked and science proves the bible. Romans 1:20 is a fact as you can see here: Thread: Science proves the bible But archeology also proves the bible, this is a great resource for that, what i posted over here gives a small idea of what you'll find here: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] You can't be serious. Science is non religious. It is our best attempt to explain the reality we live in. Biology, geology,astronomy etc. It doesn't require or exclude gods. Please explain any " miracle" science proved. Supernatural events by definition are outside science. IE dead people come back to life and fly off. Or water is turned into wine. Or a man walked on water? Please provide. Evolution vs God? Evolution could be wrong, its appears not, but it being wrong doesn't prove God. Why is this so hard to understand? However, the fear is IF evolution is true, and all the hard sciences do accept it, then the Genesis tale is wrong. So it MUST be attacked. Not critical thinking skills. Remember, science has tossed some of Darwin's hypothesis. Science did that. However, his basic claim is accepted. He had no knowledge of cells,DNA, germs etc. As science learned more various claims were tossed. Bible believers can't do the same. Outside the Bible, NO god claims are proven. Zero. If ANY god claim, any of the hundreds, were proven it would be the greatest discovery in mans history. Yet we have zero. I respect you accept the claim, I just see it as no different than other god claims. The sad part is people lie and fabricate to keep the possible myth alive. I doubt you would ever change your mind, but I would. I guess thats the difference. |
