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I try to remind people to have foot ware with removeable linings. You can put your dry feet into dry water proof shoes, but by the end of the day your socks and shoes are wet from body moisture. You need to be able to take out the inserts and dry them or you put your feet into damp cold shoes the next day and your toes will freeze.


An old trick I read as a rumor to warm cold feet:

Sprinkle with cayenne …. Red pepper… in your socks…supposedly heats ‘em right up.

I have not been cold enough to try it

Alternative : ARCTIC lined MUCK BOOTS brand

I’ve had cold winter feet out and around for most of my life

Got some MUCK boots 1 1/2 years ago

NEVER HAD COLD FEET AGAIN

Even snow blowing or shoveling or snowmobiling in several feet of snow

This lady gets no compensation from them

I bought at the Amish shoe store in the next town over

About $110 for ladies Arctic MUCK BOOTS

If you get cold feet and have winter temps - please get them for loved ones !
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Do you have a link or address where these can be purchased?

Did find this link at Amazon for women. Only $59.99
Good reviews.

Women's Snow Boots Winter II Water-Resistant Fur Lined Frosty Warm Anti-Slip Boot
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UGGs sheepskin fur lined boots work great to keep feet warm also Old Friend fur lined slippers.. or Acorn boiled wool clog slippers.

Old Friend slippers link
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Then there are sheepskin sole inserts which are nice and warm.

Pure Sheepskin Luxury Insoles Sheepskin Lambswool Blended Shoe Insoles
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I have heard that clay pots, the one's with the little hole in the bottom, put over a candle will heat up a room if you have a few of them.
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Oh here comes my book...ideas here, but they aren't all inexpensive, but a few are:

The terra cotta pots will only work to heat up maybe a pup tent. Keep your kitchen/bathroom pipes from freezing. They will not heat up a room. Might heat up your hands...would be a good light, but don't count on this unless you want to live in your bathroom or a small tent.

I was going to buy some just to use to keep kitchen pipes from freezing...but not to keep us warm.

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using firewood to heat your home is antisemetic
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Wood-burning stoves are even moar antisemitic!

scream

lala
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Where's the logic?
P00tn just cut off gaz?!
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Some places in the US are BANNING wood-burning stoves.

What does that tell you?

drevil
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I know what is occurring,seen it for many decades.


Layers,lots of them,preferably NATURAL FIBERS, not polyesters or mixes...most clothes are terribly flammable...

Tea lights,candles,crisco,oils...for fuel,to help add heat...wicks...lots of twine...?


Water filtration..

Extra fuel for motorcycle,car,moped...horses and mules...donkeys



Wood stoves...they are adding restrictive regulations



More you act 3rd world ..the better....for these Miscreants

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A Mr Buddy propane heater will get you through some rough times. Can use indoors, no power required. Just some propane tanks.
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bump We have one of these.
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I have heard that clay pots, the one's with the little hole in the bottom, put over a candle will heat up a room if you have a few of them.
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That's complete and utter nonsense.

Think physics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72847409


Okay - so the heat source gives of IR heat radiation that is absorbed by the clay.. and less heat is lost into the air or room directly. The clay pot becomes a heat sink, and its heat is transferred to the room air more slowly and is therefore lost more slowly. Yes, the energy expended will be the energy burned in a candle which is about 80 BTU - how many BTUs one need will depends on insulation and size of the space.

[link to www.pickhvac.com (secure)]

It takes .018btu to raise one cubic foot of air 1 degree Fahrenheit. A small room (10x8x8 = 640 cubic feet) - would experience an almost 7 degree increase in temperature (if there are no losses ) from just one candle. Get a small tent pitched inside a room and you can increase that number by decreasing the cubic feet - Its certainly not the best method to heat a space but its not utter nonsense
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I have heard that clay pots, the one's with the little hole in the bottom, put over a candle will heat up a room if you have a few of them.
 Quoting: Katballoo


That's complete and utter nonsense.

Think physics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72847409


Okay - so the heat source gives of IR heat radiation that is absorbed by the clay.. and less heat is lost into the air or room directly. The clay pot becomes a heat sink, and its heat is transferred to the room air more slowly and is therefore lost more slowly. Yes, the energy expended will be the energy burned in a candle which is about 80 BTU - how many BTUs one need will depends on insulation and size of the space.

[link to www.pickhvac.com (secure)]

It takes .018btu to raise one cubic foot of air 1 degree Fahrenheit. A small room (10x8x8 = 640 cubic feet) - would experience an almost 7 degree increase in temperature (if there are no losses ) from just one candle. Get a small tent pitched inside a room and you can increase that number by decreasing the cubic feet - Its certainly not the best method to heat a space but its not utter nonsense
 Quoting: Weisshaupt


My downstairs furnace is 300,000 BTU/hr.
The Upstairs one is a bit smaller.

A human gives off the heat of a 100Watt bulb approx. = 340 BTU/hr I think.

The candle is equal to the heat given off by 1/5 of a person.

Not even slightly significant for warming a house.
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How do I keep my Boa Constrictor warm?
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How do I keep my Boa Constrictor warm?
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Only thing I am thinking is to get a water bottle, don't fill it too much with warm water and put a towel over top of it, so it isn't directly touching it. You will have ate change out the water often enough.
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I have heard that clay pots, the one's with the little hole in the bottom, put over a candle will heat up a room if you have a few of them.
 Quoting: Katballoo


That's complete and utter nonsense.

Think physics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72847409


Okay - so the heat source gives of IR heat radiation that is absorbed by the clay.. and less heat is lost into the air or room directly. The clay pot becomes a heat sink, and its heat is transferred to the room air more slowly and is therefore lost more slowly. Yes, the energy expended will be the energy burned in a candle which is about 80 BTU - how many BTUs one need will depends on insulation and size of the space.

[link to www.pickhvac.com (secure)]

It takes .018btu to raise one cubic foot of air 1 degree Fahrenheit. A small room (10x8x8 = 640 cubic feet) - would experience an almost 7 degree increase in temperature (if there are no losses ) from just one candle. Get a small tent pitched inside a room and you can increase that number by decreasing the cubic feet - Its certainly not the best method to heat a space but its not utter nonsense
 Quoting: Weisshaupt


My downstairs furnace is 300,000 BTU/hr.
The Upstairs one is a bit smaller.

A human gives off the heat of a 100Watt bulb approx. = 340 BTU/hr I think.

The candle is equal to the heat given off by 1/5 of a person.

Not even slightly significant for warming a house.
 Quoting: JustmeTX


Did I suggest warming a house? I just gave you the math. 3 candles in a small room could raise the temperature in that room around 20 degrees. You sitting in that room will also give off heat - so much the better correct? People are better sources of heat than candles. That doesn't in any way change the fact that you can warm an area with a candle.
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I have been living at 7000 feet in the Colorado Rocky Mountains for 28 years. Have lost electrical power many times. I, too, have an earth stove to heat the house. Also have propane for the stove, furnace, and water heater. Just had my 250 gallon propane tank filled up in early September and propane was already $2.55/gallon. It is usually less than $2.00 gallon in September. So I expect it is going to go through the roof by December.

All of the above ideas are practical and good.
Just a few suggestions:

Go to the thrift store and get some blankets to put over the windows. Blinds are usually too light weight to block real cold coming through the panes of glass.

Get some cheap pathway solar lights to bring in at night for lighting. You can put them in a small box or flower pot filled with dirt to use in the house.

Get a Coleman camping stove (2 burner kind) and some propane bottles to use to cook food. Cheaper than using the kitchen stove. You can boil water on the earth stove, but it takes a while.

I have a lot of heavy throw rugs on my wooden floors as cold comes up from under the house.

Get your chimney cleaned! If your chimney is full of soot or cresot, your earth stove will not draft well.

Invest in some freeze dried food. All it takes is boiling water to prepare. Driving to the store in a snow storm is a really pain and the store maybe empty or closed.

Get some 5 gallon gas0line containers. I keep five filled with gasoline for emergencies. Put Stabil in the gas. It keeps the gasoline good for two years.

I also have a 65 gallon plastic water tank in the guest bathtub for extra water. You can get one for about $20.00 plus shipping. 65 one gallon bottles takes up a lot of room. If I lose electricity, I can't use my well or power the furnance. My gas stove just needs a match to light.

Don't forget anti-freeze for your car and windshield water.

Hope this helps.
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This is an excellent thread with lots of valuable info!

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That's complete and utter nonsense.

Think physics.
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Okay - so the heat source gives of IR heat radiation that is absorbed by the clay.. and less heat is lost into the air or room directly. The clay pot becomes a heat sink, and its heat is transferred to the room air more slowly and is therefore lost more slowly. Yes, the energy expended will be the energy burned in a candle which is about 80 BTU - how many BTUs one need will depends on insulation and size of the space.

[link to www.pickhvac.com (secure)]

It takes .018btu to raise one cubic foot of air 1 degree Fahrenheit. A small room (10x8x8 = 640 cubic feet) - would experience an almost 7 degree increase in temperature (if there are no losses ) from just one candle. Get a small tent pitched inside a room and you can increase that number by decreasing the cubic feet - Its certainly not the best method to heat a space but its not utter nonsense
 Quoting: Weisshaupt


My downstairs furnace is 300,000 BTU/hr.
The Upstairs one is a bit smaller.

A human gives off the heat of a 100Watt bulb approx. = 340 BTU/hr I think.

The candle is equal to the heat given off by 1/5 of a person.

Not even slightly significant for warming a house.
 Quoting: JustmeTX


Did I suggest warming a house? I just gave you the math. 3 candles in a small room could raise the temperature in that room around 20 degrees. You sitting in that room will also give off heat - so much the better correct? People are better sources of heat than candles. That doesn't in any way change the fact that you can warm an area with a candle.
 Quoting: Weisshaupt

3 candles are not going to raise the temperature in a room with 20°, that's impossible - sorry.

Maybe a couple degrees, and it will take some time.
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This is why I think hardly no one is genuine here. NO one ever replies to it nor mentions it too. Long Johns. The easiest solution to the cold. Meet Long John.
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Actually, you are right. This is very true.
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I have heard that clay pots, the one's with the little hole in the bottom, put over a candle will heat up a room if you have a few of them.
 Quoting: Katballoo


That's complete and utter nonsense.

Think physics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72847409


Okay - so the heat source gives of IR heat radiation that is absorbed by the clay.. and less heat is lost into the air or room directly. The clay pot becomes a heat sink, and its heat is transferred to the room air more slowly and is therefore lost more slowly. Yes, the energy expended will be the energy burned in a candle which is about 80 BTU - how many BTUs one need will depends on insulation and size of the space.

[link to www.pickhvac.com (secure)]

It takes .018btu to raise one cubic foot of air 1 degree Fahrenheit. A small room (10x8x8 = 640 cubic feet) - would experience an almost 7 degree increase in temperature (if there are no losses ) from just one candle. Get a small tent pitched inside a room and you can increase that number by decreasing the cubic feet - Its certainly not the best method to heat a space but its not utter nonsense
 Quoting: Weisshaupt


I think you mean, to put it simple, it keeps the heat from rising as rapidly and that is a good thing.
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That's complete and utter nonsense.

Think physics.
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Okay - so the heat source gives of IR heat radiation that is absorbed by the clay.. and less heat is lost into the air or room directly. The clay pot becomes a heat sink, and its heat is transferred to the room air more slowly and is therefore lost more slowly. Yes, the energy expended will be the energy burned in a candle which is about 80 BTU - how many BTUs one need will depends on insulation and size of the space.

[link to www.pickhvac.com (secure)]

It takes .018btu to raise one cubic foot of air 1 degree Fahrenheit. A small room (10x8x8 = 640 cubic feet) - would experience an almost 7 degree increase in temperature (if there are no losses ) from just one candle. Get a small tent pitched inside a room and you can increase that number by decreasing the cubic feet - Its certainly not the best method to heat a space but its not utter nonsense
 Quoting: Weisshaupt


My downstairs furnace is 300,000 BTU/hr.
The Upstairs one is a bit smaller.

A human gives off the heat of a 100Watt bulb approx. = 340 BTU/hr I think.

The candle is equal to the heat given off by 1/5 of a person.

Not even slightly significant for warming a house.
 Quoting: JustmeTX


Did I suggest warming a house? I just gave you the math. 3 candles in a small room could raise the temperature in that room around 20 degrees. You sitting in that room will also give off heat - so much the better correct? People are better sources of heat than candles. That doesn't in any way change the fact that you can warm an area with a candle.
 Quoting: Weisshaupt


You should see how fast one candle heats the inside of a mylar tented area, just your body heat alone at 98 deg, will keep it very warm.
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I have heard that clay pots, the one's with the little hole in the bottom, put over a candle will heat up a room if you have a few of them.
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That's complete and utter nonsense.

Think physics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72847409


Physics my butt!

It's called radiant heat, dill-weed.

And the pots do indeed work. Very well. Lot's of vids even with room temp proof.

Physics...rofl5
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Have you ever heard of Gaudi, the biggest architect designer who was AGAINST ANY SEALING just because a house is ALIVE just like any living being?

If you never heard of him, how about CONDESATION, MOULD, PNEUMONIA, CANCER
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It is hard to get through to people how bad condensation can be in a cold climate survival situation.

If you put a plastic sheet over your sleeping bag on a chilly night you will wake up soaking wet from the condensation. The plastic cover must be set high enough above you in a manner that allows the condensation to run off and drain away from you, not drip on you.

The condensation and moisture from your body, sweat and breath is a major issue. In very cold temps, in a sealed confined warm room, condensation can build up on your ceiling and drip down on you, your bed, your clothes making everything damp, cold and moldy.

I argue every year with one poster always telling everyone to add moisture, use steam to keep your house warmer.
That is very dangerous life threatening ignorant advice during a power outage with little to no heat in frigid temps. Your clothes, shoes and bedding will be damp, it will lower your core temp, it will damage your building and breed mold.

You need to be prepared to prevent, remove, drain and vent moisture due to condensation in a survival situation.

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you are correct .

Ive inspected many homes where the tenants were squatters.

You see moisture stains on the ceiling & walls that start to grow black mold.

Rooms are sealed off and their using the natural gas stove and oven for heat; boiling water on the stove.
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The three of you must lack reading comprehension because the poster stated "windows". Nothing was said about sealing off rooms. Many windows have only a single pane of glass. That is why there are now windows with multiple panes. Placing plastic on the glass will keep heat loss down just like adding an additional pane of glass. Actual ventilation with the outside is through the attic, NOT through the window glass. There will not be any condensation build-up by placing plastic onto the glass. Window film is sold specifically for this purpose. Glass transfers cold temperatures outside to the inside via the surface of the glass. This is greatly reduced by plastic on the surface of the glass.
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The plastic should be on the window frame or opening. You want to create an air pocket between the glass and the plastic. Same principle as goose down.
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I have tested many times and find that 3 candles are just perfect for emergency cooking, it will heat water for making a cup of coffee tea or canned goods, cook eggs, to fill a hot water bottle or wash water in about 15 min.

The trick is to have them all in a small soup can that collects the melted wax and ends up making one candle with three wicks placed inside of a large coffee can that holds your grill on top. I have used oven racks for a grill but it will need extra support. Safety is important and some candles will put off toxic fumes and need vented. It is important to have nontoxic candles when you are containing the air for heat.
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5 busty, lap-dancing strippers also helps. Its the close bodily contact, you know. Besides, even if it doesn't heat the place up, you'll never notice.
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That's complete and utter nonsense.

Think physics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72847409


Okay - so the heat source gives of IR heat radiation that is absorbed by the clay.. and less heat is lost into the air or room directly. The clay pot becomes a heat sink, and its heat is transferred to the room air more slowly and is therefore lost more slowly. Yes, the energy expended will be the energy burned in a candle which is about 80 BTU - how many BTUs one need will depends on insulation and size of the space.

[link to www.pickhvac.com (secure)]

It takes .018btu to raise one cubic foot of air 1 degree Fahrenheit. A small room (10x8x8 = 640 cubic feet) - would experience an almost 7 degree increase in temperature (if there are no losses ) from just one candle. Get a small tent pitched inside a room and you can increase that number by decreasing the cubic feet - Its certainly not the best method to heat a space but its not utter nonsense
 Quoting: Weisshaupt


My downstairs furnace is 300,000 BTU/hr.
The Upstairs one is a bit smaller.

A human gives off the heat of a 100Watt bulb approx. = 340 BTU/hr I think.

The candle is equal to the heat given off by 1/5 of a person.

Not even slightly significant for warming a house.
 Quoting: JustmeTX


Did I suggest warming a house? I just gave you the math. 3 candles in a small room could raise the temperature in that room around 20 degrees. You sitting in that room will also give off heat - so much the better correct? People are better sources of heat than candles. That doesn't in any way change the fact that you can warm an area with a candle.
 Quoting: Weisshaupt


The title of the thread is how to keep a House warm.
Not 1 cubic foot of air with no heat losses.

Houses are big things that lose a shitload of heat in the winter. Your candle won't do crap. People have been repeating that stupid crap about putting a candle under a clay pot forever.

It is bullshit advice.

Your answer was basically to assume there is no heat loss and the house is the size of a bread box. In other words, imagine there is no problem to begin with.

If a frog had wings, it wouldn't bump its ass on the ground. :)

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I have tested many times and find that 3 candles are just perfect for emergency cooking, it will heat water for making a cup of coffee tea or canned goods, cook eggs, to fill a hot water bottle or wash water in about 15 min.

The trick is to have them all in a small soup can that collects the melted wax and ends up making one candle with three wicks placed inside of a large coffee can that holds your grill on top. I have used oven racks for a grill but it will need extra support. Safety is important and some candles will put off toxic fumes and need vented. It is important to have nontoxic candles when you are containing the air for heat.
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This is a great idea. Thanks for the tip. I also liked the tip about twine.. lots of twine for different reasons.

Living in a cold region where the average temp is in the low twenties for weeks/months on end we've tried all types of ways to heat the house. We don't use the central heat until it gets below freezing but only at night when it comes on automatically at a certain temp.

During the day we use the propane fireplace.

Our youngest keeps a Basics Indoor Portable Radiator Heater in her room set on 70°. We keep this one in the cabin set at 60° where it automatically goes off on as needed. Works great for a small space and keeps it nicely heated.

Portable Radiator Heater - electric
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This one is in the bathroom and only turned on when showering. Also works great.

Lasko 5586 Digital Ceramic Tower Heater - electric
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Mr. Buddy propane heat indoor/outdoor - 10,000 BTU with Thermostat.. we used this in the cabin before it was wired for electricity.
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Mr. Heater 9,000-BTU Indoor-Safe Portable Propane Radiant Heater, Red-Black
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Mr. Heater F215100 MH4B Little Buddy 3800-BTU Indoor Safe Propane Heater, Medium $64.57
Got this one for the cabin bathroom, which is currently non-existent. Not sure what to do for the out-house other then freeze ones ass off. Except.. there are toilet seat warmer covers. Takes the shock out of sitting down bare assed on something in a 4' x 4' space in 20 degree temps.
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This is an essential luxury when using the facilities in unheated cold spaces.

Toilet Seat Cover,Bathroom Soft Thicker Warmer with Snaps Fixed Stretchable Washable Fiber Cloth Toilet Seat Covers Pads Easy Installation& Cleaning $10.99
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Okay - so the heat source gives of IR heat radiation that is absorbed by the clay.. and less heat is lost into the air or room directly. The clay pot becomes a heat sink, and its heat is transferred to the room air more slowly and is therefore lost more slowly. Yes, the energy expended will be the energy burned in a candle which is about 80 BTU - how many BTUs one need will depends on insulation and size of the space.

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It takes .018btu to raise one cubic foot of air 1 degree Fahrenheit. A small room (10x8x8 = 640 cubic feet) - would experience an almost 7 degree increase in temperature (if there are no losses ) from just one candle. Get a small tent pitched inside a room and you can increase that number by decreasing the cubic feet - Its certainly not the best method to heat a space but its not utter nonsense
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My downstairs furnace is 300,000 BTU/hr.
The Upstairs one is a bit smaller.

A human gives off the heat of a 100Watt bulb approx. = 340 BTU/hr I think.

The candle is equal to the heat given off by 1/5 of a person.

Not even slightly significant for warming a house.
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Did I suggest warming a house? I just gave you the math. 3 candles in a small room could raise the temperature in that room around 20 degrees. You sitting in that room will also give off heat - so much the better correct? People are better sources of heat than candles. That doesn't in any way change the fact that you can warm an area with a candle.
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3 candles are not going to raise the temperature in a room with 20°, that's impossible - sorry.

Maybe a couple degrees, and it will take some time.
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You are welcome to do the math. You need .018btu to raise one cubic foot of air one degree. a candle contains roughly 80 BTU - and a clay pot will serve as a heat since to more reality transfer that heat energy to the air ( it is lost less easily) There fore a single candle can heat 4444 cubic feet of air one degree if 100% of the energy is transferred) Some amount of heat will be lost through air leakage and through the walls. The actual amount of temperature rise will depend on such losses. But a 10x8 room , with a 8 foot ceiling is 640 Cubic feet. 4444/640 is 6.94.

How much loss do you want to assume? 10%? 20%? AT 20% loss you still get a 5.5 degree temperature rise from a single candle. the candles will increase the temperature 15 degrees.

Do you see a problem with the math? If not, then maybe you are wrong?
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Okay - so the heat source gives of IR heat radiation that is absorbed by the clay.. and less heat is lost into the air or room directly. The clay pot becomes a heat sink, and its heat is transferred to the room air more slowly and is therefore lost more slowly. Yes, the energy expended will be the energy burned in a candle which is about 80 BTU - how many BTUs one need will depends on insulation and size of the space.

[link to www.pickhvac.com (secure)]

It takes .018btu to raise one cubic foot of air 1 degree Fahrenheit. A small room (10x8x8 = 640 cubic feet) - would experience an almost 7 degree increase in temperature (if there are no losses ) from just one candle. Get a small tent pitched inside a room and you can increase that number by decreasing the cubic feet - Its certainly not the best method to heat a space but its not utter nonsense
 Quoting: Weisshaupt


My downstairs furnace is 300,000 BTU/hr.
The Upstairs one is a bit smaller.

A human gives off the heat of a 100Watt bulb approx. = 340 BTU/hr I think.

The candle is equal to the heat given off by 1/5 of a person.

Not even slightly significant for warming a house.
 Quoting: JustmeTX


Did I suggest warming a house? I just gave you the math. 3 candles in a small room could raise the temperature in that room around 20 degrees. You sitting in that room will also give off heat - so much the better correct? People are better sources of heat than candles. That doesn't in any way change the fact that you can warm an area with a candle.
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The title of the thread is how to keep a House warm.
Not 1 cubic foot of air with no heat losses.

Houses are big things that lose a shitload of heat in the winter. Your candle won't do crap. People have been repeating that stupid crap about putting a candle under a clay pot forever.

It is bullshit advice.

Your answer was basically to assume there is no heat loss and the house is the size of a bread box. In other words, imagine there is no problem to begin with.

If a frog had wings, it wouldn't bump its ass on the ground. :)
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When people are talking about candles and clay pots they are talking about keeping smaller areas warm. Referring to the name of the thread is being pretty pedantic - as its obvious that the advice being given is house to deal with a situation where the electricity is out. 100 years ago houses were much smaller (The center of my home is a 12x12 cabin from 1914) , and as other noted, had individual small rooms because of the need to heat them. If your electricity goes out, you will still need to do the same. ( Simply hanging sheets is actually surprisingly effective) Bathrooms tend to be smaller anyway . The cabinet under a sink is quite small.

I did the math here already - twice. No you don't want to heat you home with candles on a regular basis, but the fact remains they are not useless. Even if you assume a 20% loss a typical candle will contribute 5.5 degrees to a 8x10 room with an 8 foot ceiling. That is simply a fact. 50% losses? 3 candles still will give you a 10 degree temperature rise in such a space. That 10 degrees may be the difference between pipes freezing or freezing to death yourself.
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My downstairs furnace is 300,000 BTU/hr.
The Upstairs one is a bit smaller.

A human gives off the heat of a 100Watt bulb approx. = 340 BTU/hr I think.

The candle is equal to the heat given off by 1/5 of a person.

Not even slightly significant for warming a house.
 Quoting: JustmeTX


Did I suggest warming a house? I just gave you the math. 3 candles in a small room could raise the temperature in that room around 20 degrees. You sitting in that room will also give off heat - so much the better correct? People are better sources of heat than candles. That doesn't in any way change the fact that you can warm an area with a candle.
 Quoting: Weisshaupt


The title of the thread is how to keep a House warm.
Not 1 cubic foot of air with no heat losses.

Houses are big things that lose a shitload of heat in the winter. Your candle won't do crap. People have been repeating that stupid crap about putting a candle under a clay pot forever.

It is bullshit advice.

Your answer was basically to assume there is no heat loss and the house is the size of a bread box. In other words, imagine there is no problem to begin with.

If a frog had wings, it wouldn't bump its ass on the ground. :)
 Quoting: JustmeTX


When people are talking about candles and clay pots they are talking about keeping smaller areas warm. Referring to the name of the thread is being pretty pedantic - as its obvious that the advice being given is house to deal with a situation where the electricity is out. 100 years ago houses were much smaller (The center of my home is a 12x12 cabin from 1914) , and as other noted, had individual small rooms because of the need to heat them. If your electricity goes out, you will still need to do the same. ( Simply hanging sheets is actually surprisingly effective) Bathrooms tend to be smaller anyway . The cabinet under a sink is quite small.

I did the math here already - twice. No you don't want to heat you home with candles on a regular basis, but the fact remains they are not useless. Even if you assume a 20% loss a typical candle will contribute 5.5 degrees to a 8x10 room with an 8 foot ceiling. That is simply a fact. 50% losses? 3 candles still will give you a 10 degree temperature rise in such a space. That 10 degrees may be the difference between pipes freezing or freezing to death yourself.
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Heat loss is not calculated by percent loss of a candle's heat.

Q= Area X (delta T)/ R value of insulation.

If you care to run the numbers on any sort of house or home, you will see that the heat loss rate from even 1 degree of temperature rise will dwarf the heat output of your candle.

Also, some older homes may actually have some air leakage.

Google it and you will find hundreds of articles .

[link to www.sensiblehouse.org]

Here is a heat loss calculator
[link to www.usboiler.net (secure)]

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Did I suggest warming a house? I just gave you the math. 3 candles in a small room could raise the temperature in that room around 20 degrees. You sitting in that room will also give off heat - so much the better correct? People are better sources of heat than candles. That doesn't in any way change the fact that you can warm an area with a candle.
 Quoting: Weisshaupt


The title of the thread is how to keep a House warm.
Not 1 cubic foot of air with no heat losses.

Houses are big things that lose a shitload of heat in the winter. Your candle won't do crap. People have been repeating that stupid crap about putting a candle under a clay pot forever.

It is bullshit advice.

Your answer was basically to assume there is no heat loss and the house is the size of a bread box. In other words, imagine there is no problem to begin with.

If a frog had wings, it wouldn't bump its ass on the ground. :)
 Quoting: JustmeTX


When people are talking about candles and clay pots they are talking about keeping smaller areas warm. Referring to the name of the thread is being pretty pedantic - as its obvious that the advice being given is house to deal with a situation where the electricity is out. 100 years ago houses were much smaller (The center of my home is a 12x12 cabin from 1914) , and as other noted, had individual small rooms because of the need to heat them. If your electricity goes out, you will still need to do the same. ( Simply hanging sheets is actually surprisingly effective) Bathrooms tend to be smaller anyway . The cabinet under a sink is quite small.

I did the math here already - twice. No you don't want to heat you home with candles on a regular basis, but the fact remains they are not useless. Even if you assume a 20% loss a typical candle will contribute 5.5 degrees to a 8x10 room with an 8 foot ceiling. That is simply a fact. 50% losses? 3 candles still will give you a 10 degree temperature rise in such a space. That 10 degrees may be the difference between pipes freezing or freezing to death yourself.
 Quoting: Weisshaupt


Heat loss is not calculated by percent loss of a candle's heat.

Q= Area X (delta T)/ R value of insulation.

If you care to run the numbers on any sort of house or home, you will see that the heat loss rate from even 1 degree of temperature rise will dwarf the heat output of your candle.

Also, some older homes may actually have some air leakage.

Google it and you will find hundreds of articles .

[link to www.sensiblehouse.org]

Here is a heat loss calculator
[link to www.usboiler.net (secure)]
 Quoting: JustmeTX


Yes, it all depends on the temperature differential and insulation which I already said a long ways back. A calculator for designing a modern heating system that is sure to keep up isn't really appropriate to this calculation as you would always be very liberal in the estimate of heat loss.

Heat is heat. (You sitting in the room with the candle adds heat as well - about 250 BTU/HR and when cooling a room like an auditorium, you do have to account for that ) Every little bit counts.

Admittedly, its ultimately a rate equation and I was napkin short-cutting above based on personal experience and a quick internet estimate of the heat a candle puts out.. - so I had to find more accurate numbers for BTU/hr (literally candle power..)


According to NIST :
"From measurements of the mean mass loss rate (0.105 g/min) and hceff (43.8 kJ/g), the steady-state heat release rate from the candle was calculated as 77±9 W"
Watts converted give you about 262 BTU/h.

The 8X8X10 room has 448 square feet of surface area

Okay your room is 33 degrees. Outside its 32. Say average R value is R10 because there is a door so 1*488/10 = 49 BTU/hr lost per degree of temperature differential.. so one candle can keep up with 262/49 = about 5 degrees of differential. Therefore 3 Candles can keep up with 15 degrees. If you add another candle by sitting in the room , then you can keep up with a 20 degree differential. .


Or with an R value of only 1.7 you could keep up with a 1 degree differential. But that would be insanely low.

A cabinet under a sink will have a crappy r value , but is only 16 square feet. 1 * 16 / R5 = 3.2 BTU loss per degree of differential.

No, you can't heat a modern house this way. But you can hunker down in a small room or closet and/or keep pipes from freezing.

Bottom line - small spaces are easier to heat than large ones. Who knew? ( this is the effect of a 2/3rd power law - [link to mathbench.umd.edu (secure)]

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It is hard to get through to people how bad condensation can be in a cold climate survival situation.

If you put a plastic sheet over your sleeping bag on a chilly night you will wake up soaking wet from the condensation. The plastic cover must be set high enough above you in a manner that allows the condensation to run off and drain away from you, not drip on you.

The condensation and moisture from your body, sweat and breath is a major issue. In very cold temps, in a sealed confined warm room, condensation can build up on your ceiling and drip down on you, your bed, your clothes making everything damp, cold and moldy.

I argue every year with one poster always telling everyone to add moisture, use steam to keep your house warmer.
That is very dangerous life threatening ignorant advice during a power outage with little to no heat in frigid temps. Your clothes, shoes and bedding will be damp, it will lower your core temp, it will damage your building and breed mold.

You need to be prepared to prevent, remove, drain and vent moisture due to condensation in a survival situation.

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you are correct .

Ive inspected many homes where the tenants were squatters.

You see moisture stains on the ceiling & walls that start to grow black mold.

Rooms are sealed off and their using the natural gas stove and oven for heat; boiling water on the stove.
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The three of you must lack reading comprehension because the poster stated "windows". Nothing was said about sealing off rooms. Many windows have only a single pane of glass. That is why there are now windows with multiple panes. Placing plastic on the glass will keep heat loss down just like adding an additional pane of glass. Actual ventilation with the outside is through the attic, NOT through the window glass. There will not be any condensation build-up by placing plastic onto the glass. Window film is sold specifically for this purpose. Glass transfers cold temperatures outside to the inside via the surface of the glass. This is greatly reduced by plastic on the surface of the glass.
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The plastic should be on the window frame or opening. You want to create an air pocket between the glass and the plastic. Same principle as goose down.
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Um, is that not what the OP said and three goons were critical?

Placing plastic directly on the glass will help and there is no cosmetic issue.





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