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GUNS FOR FELONS? Texas Judge: Law Barring Gun Purchases by Persons Under Felony Indictment Unconstitutional

 
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GUNS FOR FELONS? Texas Judge: Law Barring Gun Purchases by Persons Under Felony Indictment Unconstitutional
U.S. District Judge David Counts, a Donald Trump appointee, ruled Monday laws barring people with felony indictments from purchasing guns do not square with the Constitution.

The case in question centers on Jose Gomez Quiroz, the Defendant, who was indicted June 9, 2020, in a Texas court for a second-degree felony (burglary). In mid-2021 he failed to appear for a hearing, receiving a third-degree felony for “jumping bail/failing to appear.” He was able to pick up his gun on December 30, 2021, then the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System contacted the ATF to let them know about the felony indictments.

Counts heard the case and pointed to the Supreme Court of the United States’ June 23, 2022, NYSRPA v. Bruen ruling, noting in a post-Bruen world it is not clear “whether a statute preventing a person under indictment from receiving a firearm aligns with this Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation.”

He noted: “This Nation does have a historical tradition of excluding specific groups from the rights and powers reserved to ‘the people’ in those contexts. But unlike the historical tradition of excluding felons or violent actors from the rights of ‘the people,’ little evidence supports excluding those under indictment in any context.”

Counts painted with a broad brush, going so far as to acknowledge that “the constitutionality of firearm regulations in a post-Bruen world” is unknown.

Counts wrote, “The Second Amendment is not a ‘second class right.’ No longer can courts balance away a constitutional right. After Bruen, the Government must prove that laws regulating conduct covered by the Second Amendment’s plain text align with this Nation’s historical tradition. The Government does not meet that burden.”


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THE SAME PEOPLE WHO SAID NO GUNS BECAUSE OF POLICE NOW WANT TO DEFUND THE POLICE!!!!

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Well, I mean, no one can tell the difference anymore between what's real and what's fake.

Anyway, the point is, I can tell you all of this, right out in the open, because it doesn't matter who knows about it. They won't know whether to believe it or not.-
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Re: GUNS FOR FELONS? Texas Judge: Law Barring Gun Purchases by Persons Under Felony Indictment Unconstitutional
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Re: GUNS FOR FELONS? Texas Judge: Law Barring Gun Purchases by Persons Under Felony Indictment Unconstitutional
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84055038


what could go wrong....


calls to defund the police, letting 2nd degree murder suspects go, no bail, letting people that try to stab a politician on stage go without a charge of assault with a deadly weapon, RELEASING SOMEONE WHO RAN OVER SOMEONE THEY THOUGHT WAS A MAGA SUPPORTER, seriously what could go wrong

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Coastie Patriot
SIC SEMPER TYRRANIS

THE SAME PEOPLE WHO SAID NO GUNS BECAUSE OF POLICE NOW WANT TO DEFUND THE POLICE!!!!

Dr Thaddeus They
They don't really care whether the truth gets out, because the public no longer knows what's meant by "the truth."

Well, I mean, no one can tell the difference anymore between what's real and what's fake.

Anyway, the point is, I can tell you all of this, right out in the open, because it doesn't matter who knows about it. They won't know whether to believe it or not.-
X Files: Lost art of Forehead Sweat

A gun is a tool, Marion, no better or no worse than any other tool, an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that.
-SHANE-

Jefferson Smith: You see, boys forget what their country means by just reading The Land of the Free in history books. Then they get to be men they forget even more. Liberty's too precious a thing to be buried in books, Miss Saunders. Men should hold it up in front of them every single day of their lives and say: I'm free to think and to speak. My ancestors couldn't, I can, and my children will. Boys ought to grow up remembering that . - MR Smith Goes To Washington-

to grow up remembering th

My oath to support and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic has no expiration date!!!

Ten Bears : It's sad that governments are chiefed by the double tongues. There is iron in your words of death for all Comanche to see and so there is iron in your words of life. No signed paper can hold the iron. It must come from men. Outlaw Josey Wales
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Re: GUNS FOR FELONS? Texas Judge: Law Barring Gun Purchases by Persons Under Felony Indictment Unconstitutional
Ex-felons already have guns, there aren't registered though.

Making them able to buy and register guns would be a plus in keeping tabs on them.

My cousin spent 3 years in prison, he has guns all over his home in his wife's name.

The constitution should never be infringed upon.
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in the old days once you got out of jail you got all your rights back and you could have a gun its just these newer days they stopped you from having a gun, once a person is free they should be ab-ail to have a gun.
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Re: GUNS FOR FELONS? Texas Judge: Law Barring Gun Purchases by Persons Under Felony Indictment Unconstitutional
Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and George Washington were felons.


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If you ca be imprisoned and run for President By God you should have right to a weapon upon release
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F ing Texas judges, doing stupid shit as usual.
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I dunno on this one. It's for felony indictment, not conviction. We have a little thing in our Constitution called "Innocent until proven guilty". Kinda seems the right thing to do if you also hate red-flag laws, you know?....
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There is not one word in the second amendment limiting it to any class of person in the USA.

Even felons have the right to defend themselves.

pretty clear
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Re: GUNS FOR FELONS? Texas Judge: Law Barring Gun Purchases by Persons Under Felony Indictment Unconstitutional
I have no problem with felons owning guns. I think about it like this - the purpose of prison is to separate violent and harmful elements from society, so that they do not harm the rest of society.

If a prisoner cannot be trusted with a gun, then they should never have been released from prison in the first place, because they are still clearly a danger to society.

That's my answer. Don't stop freed prisoners from owning guns. Instead, do not free them until they are reasonably NOT dangerous.
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Re: GUNS FOR FELONS? Texas Judge: Law Barring Gun Purchases by Persons Under Felony Indictment Unconstitutional
No one should ever be charged with having a gun. You can charge them for other things, like if they actually commit a crime. Possessing a firearm should never be a crime for anyone.





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