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So, I noticed a lot of Ebay sellers don't ship until five days after purchase.

For someone that pays with PayPal, the purchase happens instantly.

The thing is.........if you order the item, a lot of times it won't reach you. It will be lost in the mail. You will receive a package without the content or, numerous other issues will occur.

The point of this........the time it takes to issue a refund.

If someone is gaming the system.......they may be doing it in a massive way. They might be doing this to many, many individuals at once. If they can get the money to sit in a high interest account with numerous individuals all at once and give it enough time for the interest to kick in before refunding those who raise issue, then they could be gaming the system.

Half of the people just let it go.....so not only do the thieves gain the money, but that money helps compound interest on the account.

Is this possible? It seems plausible....... What prevents this from happening?

Time is the factor........ right?
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09/19/2022 11:07 PM
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No one with input on this topic?

How many times have you ordered something that has never reached your door, or was otherwise other than described?
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09/19/2022 11:10 PM
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No one with input on this topic?

How many times have you ordered something that has never reached your door, or was otherwise other than described?
 Quoting: Os76*


Seriously never, and my household gets weekly packages.

Also send them pretty much daily nationwide without issue. ever.

I know family who has your same issues though.

Sometimes i wonder if there is like some sort of VIP list.

rofl
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09/19/2022 11:13 PM
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I mean generally the reviews are pretty honest. you can usually smell the scam vendors from a mile away

this was years ago, but when I was selling, the money was essentially in escrow until a given time. someone paid you, but it was at least 3 days min to “physically” access the money

given the nature of our world, I find the idea entirely possible if not extremely likely
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09/19/2022 11:16 PM
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Since Ebay changed the way Sellers get paid a certain portion of people wait for the money you paid to be available on their account before shipping.

24 pass before your money is cleared, then time pass to the next window of payment to the seller account, then it can take from few hours to days to have it on the account.
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09/19/2022 11:21 PM
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No one with input on this topic?

How many times have you ordered something that has never reached your door, or was otherwise other than described?
 Quoting: Os76*


Seriously never, and my household gets weekly packages.

Also send them pretty much daily nationwide without issue. ever.

I know family who has your same issues though.

Sometimes i wonder if there is like some sort of VIP list.

rofl
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Well, then I guess you are fortunate.

It pays to know every detail prior to orders.

The one instance that stands stark in my mind right now with relevance to this thread, is a cheaply made envelope I received, without my item.

So yeah.......I was shilted. I pressed the matter. Thankfully I received a refund. but that isn't the focus. it's the time fram that is.
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09/19/2022 11:22 PM
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What op describe is what PayPal does and what Ebay is doing now ..but it cannot be done by sellers...first it will require to have hundreds of thousands of transaction to be feasible while you will have your account blocked if so many transactions go wrong. Just very few will get your account flagged.
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09/19/2022 11:26 PM
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How long does a purchase need to stay valid, for interest on it before it begins to accrue to maturation? What kind of timing does it need to draw interest gaming in false listings on a selling platform?
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No one with input on this topic?

How many times have you ordered something that has never reached your door, or was otherwise other than described?
 Quoting: Os76*


Seriously never, and my household gets weekly packages.

Also send them pretty much daily nationwide without issue. ever.

I know family who has your same issues though.

Sometimes i wonder if there is like some sort of VIP list.

rofl
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72779498


Well, then I guess you are fortunate.

It pays to know every detail prior to orders.

The one instance that stands stark in my mind right now with relevance to this thread, is a cheaply made envelope I received, without my item.

So yeah.......I was shilted. I pressed the matter. Thankfully I received a refund. but that isn't the focus. it's the time fram that is.
 Quoting: Os76*


Well, I try and send a package within 24 hours, let alone 5 days, regardless of platform, that is just WRONG.

I wouldn't even order from such a seller.

As you said, Details Matter.

Both in sending, and receiving.
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09/19/2022 11:27 PM
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i don't like rules. turns out neither do others. i live in a constant state of shock.
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I trust Fedex and UPS.US mail,sometimes.
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are these USA based sellers?

are these drop shippers?

do these sellers have a good history?

well... amazon's fraud detection is better than ebay's of course.

what are you buying from ebay? if they take 5 days to ship used items, then definitely 100% these are scamsters.

that lag time of 5 days huh... probably shipped an empty box with tracking number eh?

FRAUDSTERS EVOLVE.
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09/19/2022 11:54 PM
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Don't you check seller feedback?

Only got burned one time, but it was my fault, the seller's name was a version of all as is, and I didn't check the feedback. Over 100 successful deals since.

There have been a couple of hiccups, but resolved quickly and with complete satisfaction, better than I really expected.

I get everything in 3-5 days with free shipping. One purchase from chiner took longer, boats are slow.
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09/20/2022 12:09 AM
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That's weird, I always had 1-day or same-day shipping when I sold on eBay

I heard eBay's really tightened the leash on sellers. From what I recall the funds you get from a sale are delayed a few business days, whereas in the past you would get funds instantly. That includes the shipping cost. That can cause a huge logistics headache if you're running a larger business.

There are scammers in the past that were able to rip off a ton of people, but that has to be done in an extremely short time frame. Just a handful of negative feedbacks can wreck your account.

They did favor big sellers from china for some time, but in general eBay does not fuck around if you're a small-time seller and ripping off a bunch of people.
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09/20/2022 12:13 AM
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I don't know
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09/20/2022 12:14 AM
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The problem is the return policy for eBay and PayPal. They will usually refund the buyer “no questions asked*” and after a few stings most people don’t have the stomach to continue being sellers. Which leaves room for scammy sellers.
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The problem is the return policy for eBay and PayPal. They will usually refund the buyer “no questions asked*” and after a few stings most people don’t have the stomach to continue being sellers. Which leaves room for scammy sellers.
 Quoting: nwo_watcher_911


Yeah, you need to have A+ customer service and shipping and even if you're perfect with those things you'll always have a few assholes that destroy your search rankings.

I'm glad I bailed out of that platform when I did, they've turned draconian and the employees are leftist psychos
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09/20/2022 12:36 AM
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I stopped using ebay. A seller sent me a pair of shoes that disintegrated with one step. I took pictures and wanted a full refund. The seller said he would refund the cost of shoes alone if I paid return shipping. He wanted me to pay $20 (total shipping cost) for absolute garbage. Eventually, he sent me a return label and refunded all my money. But no thanks to ebay, which always sided with the seller. Forget it. Worthless site and customer service.
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09/20/2022 12:42 AM
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don't know about ebay...it would take some money and volume

hotels do this all the time with the 'insurance' part on your room that you get back 5-6 days later after you leave


that adds up pretty quickly interest wise...


based on volume even for just a 1000 person hotel stand alone...


do the math
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09/20/2022 12:47 AM
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Come on man ebay and PayPal are the only ones holding your cash not the vendor.
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09/20/2022 12:50 AM

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A lot of Shysters on Ebay now.

Used to be great for a Bargain back in the day.

Now it is full of cheap Chinese Tat always flagrantly misleading description on products. As well as completely lying about seller Address.

Ebay dont seem to give a shit that a seller will say he is UK based and be lying.

You only realise you have been duped when you get a 11 day shipping itinerary.

If a seller is telling you he wont ship until payment has cleared that isa big No,no.

Means the crafty twat is wanting the money cleared by Paypal for no good reason, other than he wants the money..

Paypal hangs on to it to prevent fraud.

This is a way to circumvent restrictions.

Both seller/buyer have an insurance guarantee if a purchase is done correctly.

If the seller is wanting the money cleared likely he is out to try and scam eBay, and you.

You will get refunded months later, it is a pain though.
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09/20/2022 01:04 AM

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A lot of Shysters on Ebay now.

Used to be great for a Bargain back in the day.

Now it is full of cheap Chinese Tat always flagrantly misleading description on products. As well as completely lying about seller Address.

Ebay dont seem to give a shit that a seller will say he is UK based and be lying.

You only realise you have been duped when you get a 11 day shipping itinerary.

If a seller is telling you he wont ship until payment has cleared that isa big No,no.

Means the crafty twat is wanting the money cleared by Paypal for no good reason, other than he wants the money..

Paypal hangs on to it to prevent fraud.

This is a way to circumvent restrictions.

Both seller/buyer have an insurance guarantee if a purchase is done correctly.

If the seller is wanting the money cleared likely he is out to try and scam eBay, and you.

You will get refunded months later, it is a pain though.
 Quoting: Dogsbollocks



As somebody who has done a fair bit of selling on eBay I think the money for the postage at the very least should be released immediately.. sometimes the combined cost could be 100s of dollars which can then leave you in a tight spot with your weekly budget
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09/20/2022 01:07 AM
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Quality Control OP..
They need to test your butt plugs before shipment
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I buy stuff all of the time from ebay and the only time I see any delay in shipping is when it's shipped by DHL. It adds like 3 days.
Sometimes a seller will print a shipping label but not actually ship the item for another two days.
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So I needed a specific spark plug. Drove to three different stores, walked half a mile in them and they were all out. The whole ordeal took three hours of my day plus gas. I ordered it on ebay and it was in my mail box three days later. It's all about what you would rather spend your time on.
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09/20/2022 01:33 AM
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It's really very simple.

Don't buy from sellers with sketchy feedback, you can even search the item within the feedback to see if there are complaints.

Randomly picking the lowest price is the best way to get screwed.

Seller's, if you have good feedback, charge a bit more for the item, it will sell. Don't profit on shipping. I always get free shipping anyway.
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09/20/2022 01:48 AM
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Re: I need someone with some knowledge on this topic.......
Since Ebay changed the way Sellers get paid a certain portion of people wait for the money you paid to be available on their account before shipping.

24 pass before your money is cleared, then time pass to the next window of payment to the seller account, then it can take from few hours to days to have it on the account.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80754156


Yep that's it
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yup, has been happening more n more. stuff just doesn't arrive, no communication from the seller... so I've been wondering what the point is too, and was pretty much thinking along the same lines as you OP
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09/20/2022 01:55 AM
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Re: I need someone with some knowledge on this topic.......
So, I noticed a lot of Ebay sellers don't ship until five days after purchase.

For someone that pays with PayPal, the purchase happens instantly.

The thing is.........if you order the item, a lot of times it won't reach you. It will be lost in the mail. You will receive a package without the content or, numerous other issues will occur.

The point of this........the time it takes to issue a refund.

If someone is gaming the system.......they may be doing it in a massive way. They might be doing this to many, many individuals at once. If they can get the money to sit in a high interest account with numerous individuals all at once and give it enough time for the interest to kick in before refunding those who raise issue, then they could be gaming the system.

Half of the people just let it go.....so not only do the thieves gain the money, but that money helps compound interest on the account.

Is this possible? It seems plausible....... What prevents this from happening?

Time is the factor........ right?
 Quoting: Os76*


Sellers that don’t ship for 5 days don’t last. I never have the issues you are describing with getting my packages. Do you live in an apartment? USPS has been slow but with all the tracking requirements eBay has, this just seems ridiculous.

Good luck.
Valvictoria
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Ebay is usually really good. But the sales are usually from individuals so use your best judgement.

Craigslist post-Covid, I take more precaution.

I think Etsy is risky but I don't have much experience there.
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yup, has been happening more n more. stuff just doesn't arrive, no communication from the seller... so I've been wondering what the point is too, and was pretty much thinking along the same lines as you OP
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83868038


Some places drop ship to US warehouses since China has had shipping issues. And they have no means of communication. Sketchy but they will still accept returns.





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