does tradition have value? [poll]

i think it has lots of value as part of a cycle.

i would suggest the most potent tradition we have is the act o0f breaking traditions that we do only for the sake of tradition.


here is a parable as an example:

Long before the white man came there was a band of Natives who lived on the Great Plains. As was their tradition, each spring and fall they migrated to summer and winter camps.

One year as the ice had thawed on the great rivers and the feel of spring was in the air, the band made preparations to move to the summer camp. Because they had made this journey for many years, each family packed up and traveled at their own pace. Everyone knew the way and it was a joyful time as all were looking ahead to the ripening of the season. There would also be other bands at the summer camp. Many ceremonies would take place, old friends and relatives would reunite and young couples would be married.

Along the way they needed to cross a small river. It was easy enough for an adult to cross but small children and the oldest needed some assistance.

As it happened there was a very old woman sitting by the bank of the river wearing a beartooth neckalce who seemed without family. One by one, as families began the journey and came to the river, a Mother or Father would say to the oldest/strongest child, "Go and see if you can help your Grandmother to cross the river". Each time a young brave would approach her and ask to help her but the old woman refused assistance.

This happened time after time until late afternoon when the last few straggling groups were approaching the river.
Among them was a handsome brave carrying a contrary bow, a heyokah. (heyokah [link to www.planetdeb.net] )He was busy daydreaming about meeting a young bride at the spring gathering of the bands, when an elder called out to him, "Hey, go and help your Grandmother cross the river!"
He approached the old woman and said, "Will you let me help you cross, Grandmother?" The old woman consented and climbed on to his back.

He gently carried her across the cold water and up the bank to the other side, whereupon she refused to dismount from his back. He tried pleading with her and commanding her but she would not budge. In fact, the more energy he put into removing her the more fiercely she clung. She was so strong he could feel the teeth on her necklace digging into his back

To the others at the riverside this was a very funny scene. The sight of the young brave dancing around and shouting while the old woman tenaciously held her ground, brought great laughter and catcalls all at the expense of the young man.

This continued the whole way to the summer camp. And while it was very entertaining for the the others along the way, the young buck was being completely drained of his energy and power and on the verge of madness by the time he reached the new camp. There seemed to be something supernatural about the old woman as her physical strength was well beyond that of the young mans. The effect of her presence coupled with his failed efforts to remove her created an overwhelming sense of inner panic that was literally driving him mad. With every fiber of his being there was nothing he wanted more than to be relieved of this awful burden.

The elders of the camp took notice of this happening. No one in any of the bands seemed to fully recognize the old woman and it became apparent that she was a special being.

The elders held a brief council, smoked the pipe, and decided to have a large teepee erected in the center of the camp and instructed that a roaring fire be built in front of it.

When the teepee was up and the fire raging, the young man, who was now shaking and feverish, was helped to sit with his back to the fire so that the old woman would feel the brunt of the heat from it.

After some time had passed, the old woman relaxed her grip and let go of the young man. Without a word she crawled into the teepee and closed the flap.

The young man felt an immense sense of relief and peace as he collapsed, exhausted, to the ground. He was carried to the teepee of his family and layed down to recover on a bed of buffalo robes.

As he slept he had a very vivid dream about a teepee in the center of the camp that was lit up like a star. In the doorway of this teepee was a beautiful maiden, dressed in white buckskin wearing a beartooth necklace, smiling and beckoning him inside. When he saw her eyes he felt a strong resurgence of the peaceful feeling of relief he had felt when the old woman let him go by the fire. The maiden in the dream seemed to recognize this and said,"Remember this feeling husband".

The young man woke with a start and got up from his teepee to walk outside. He made his way to the center of the camp where he saw a bright light coming from the old woman's teepee. Cautiously he made his way around to the doorway where he saw the maiden from his dream smiling at him in welcome, gesturing him inside. He again felt the great sense of peace as he took her hand and went inside.

"Who are you?", he asked.
"I am tradition",she replied.

She continued, "As the old woman, I represent the ways in which the people have clung to ceremonies and routines out of habit rather than with true understanding of their origins.' 'This clinging slowly drains the life out of the ceremony and causes the people to become shortsighted and bound by tradition rather than fluid and farseeing like the River.' 'They become blind and rigid to the ways of Truth which in turn places them in great peril.'

'I appear to you now as the Young Maiden, ripe with possibilities and potential, with a message for you to bring to the people.' 'Because you are Heyokah, you have the responsibility to break with tradition and to remind others of the playfullness of life, to not be bound by the stubborn ways of the old mind, to change and flow like the River."

The young man spent the entire night with the maiden as she taught him about the origins of his people and the time honored tradition of breaking traditions.

For four nights he visited her in the teepee and received her wisdom and how to share it. Before the dawn of the fifth day she told him that she would be leaving the camp before sunrise. She told him that she would return to him in a different form, as another woman, and that he would recognize her by the feeling of deep peace that he now felt. When she returned she would help him with the task of restoring living tradition. It would not be an easy path and he would not be popular amongst the elders, for many would resist the very ideas of change and letting go. She gave him the beartooth necklace before taking her exit and disappeared into the night.

He awoke at dawn and followed her footsteps out of camp to the edge of the prairie where they turned into coyote tracks and advanced out onto the Great Plain.

How is mammon grown

It depends on the tradition in question I think. There are good traditions and there are bad ones. If it's something that's relatively harmless then it's not a big deal. But some traditions and ideologies are directly terrible and need to be discontinued.

The defense of "it's been in our culture forever so it's ok" should not be allowed to apply. Like child marriage, get out of here you people suck. Passing down hateful ideologies or celebrating such things. Animal cruelty for human food/sport or anything that harms others. There's many traditions around the world involving those.

Things like that. The past history of humanity is honestly not worthy of reverence. There is a huge amount of wrong within it and practices that are downright barbaric and ought to be ended.

There's value in good traditions, but there's no value in bad ones. The trick is separating which is which and correcting it.

Only to the observers.

Genetic memory is a real thing.

Why do you think, to be in real Illuminati, you have to be born into it. Although they invite people in, ie families, its only with your kids will your family be in it for real.

Also like masons, its generational, even if the kids or grand kids are not involved.

So, something about this is passed on.

Its how alot of religions also work.

Absolutely yes!

Only good traditions

Some do and some do not.

It's not a black and white situation. Some traditions have value and should be kept. Others should be relegated to the dustbin of history.

If you lose the reverence for the act the tradition is based upon but continue the tradition just for the sake of tradition, it's completely pointless.


It becomes indoctrination.

Tradition ultimately betrays the present moment

Only a matter of when not if.

Yes we should learn from our past and some traditions are definitely worth keeping.

But we shouldn't be slaves to tradition. Just because its always been done that way, doesn't make it right.

We just have to use our judgement to determine which traditions are good, and which we are better off without.

And that's easier said than done.

Tradition is literally the things that worked to solve a problem.. and works so well in fact people forgot what the problem was addressed by those traditions
Stop following the tradition - the problem usually comes back.
Sure things MAY have changed, but if you don't understand what the original problem was - how do you know if the world changed in a way where the problem will no longer present itself if the tradition is lost?
Ignoring tradition is ignoring history and your inheritance of life lessons from your ancestors. You do so at your own peril - and sometimes you imperil others as well .

Last Edited by Weisshaupt on 09/20/2022 10:02 AM

In my family yes.

It was more than that. Invasion is more appropriate, isn't it?

Tradition lays out the foundation. We “are” what we have accomplished. Our tradition defines us.

You came to our countries as immigrants. No one lived on the North American continent during the ice age. I suspect that you are the descendants of the Mayans, Aztecs or Incas and that you fled north all the way to the artic over the centuries. The climate of the north is not conducive to dark skinned and dark hair. The Mexicans are considered the fruits of war, conceived during the rape of the Indian tribes by the Spanish conquistadors.

Tradition is linked to symbols and spiritual archetypes. In other words, bridges us with eternity.

The correct word would be "Culture". and yes, it is
very important for the development of a civilization.

Yes most traditions. Some are crazy like those guys in the ME that cut themselves with swords.

But in general, tradition and values were learned over time they are things that keep society glued together.

If it serves to slow down the kind of societal descent that the globalist elite want for us, then it certainly has value.

In the case of the Royal family in England, it absolutely does to the tune of billions of dollars a year from the tourism they attract. In terms of of our own lives, I believe it does as it provides goals, and a map to not only our recent and distant past but to our future as well.

Without Civilization there is only regional warlords
and marauding gangs of thugs.

GALVANIZE

REDEFINE

Last Edited by Carrion on 09/19/2022 08:55 PM