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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83648172  Australia09/15/2022 01:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In Exodus chapter 6 God revealed it's highest manifestation to Moses with the name YHVH and contrasted that with the name of El Shaddai that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob knew God as. Commentators in the Stone Edition of the Torah note that El Shaddai was a lesser manifestation of God that put limits on creation through natural laws and put limits on the universe while YHVH was the highest manifestation of God. Quoting: danielbarzohar Both manifestations of "God" derive from the Creator/Source energy that comes from nothingness or void. Out of nothing came a divine thought that was nothing until it became something. Similar how humans think before speaking words from sounds. The thought arises to produce something more tangible. The key point is that there is One source to all. The universal mind that is aware and exists and is outside of our realm and unknowable to us. We are co-creators with this source and by trying to understand and define what created us, we as a group co-create smaller faces or fractals of the unknowable energy that we focus on to call "god". These fractals are part of the unknowable Creator/Source and are given power by those that believe in them. Groups fight and argue about their opinions and perspectives of what they believe to be truth when in reality whatever each individual believes to be true is their reality and their universe. The great awakening is when a significant portion of humanity sees through veil to understand that there is only One with many parts and that the parts are really an illusion as the One explores different perspectives of itself. We are very close to the unveiling where many will understand and see through the illusion. All those with awareness of existing are part of the greater whole. In the end those with awareness will acknowledge that there is only One and that what we view as separation is just an illusion. Continue to follow your individual path of awakening. Look deep within your being to know who you are and what you are part of. See beyond the illusions all around you that distract. Do not engage in arguing with others about their path compared to your own, but instead, focus your energies and thoughts on reaching your source and truths within. When you accomplish that, you will grow to change your perspective to see through the illusion by increasing your awareness. The Creator/Source has total awareness. By going within to enhance our connection to our Source energy, we will expand our awareness to go beyond this world of lies which has each of us distracted. At least this is my perspective and my path. Yours may be very different as everyone's path is unique. My perspective is only shared to help those on a similar path to mine. Stay true to yourself and your path. Enjoy your journey. ^^^^^^^ Most of this is utter bullshit ! The "god" nearly all refer to is in fact The Devil........the demiurgos ! Only the True Gnostics with the nous awakened know what happens in this evilly created physical dimension. |
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| Tanoros
User ID: 79904523 United States09/15/2022 09:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Q. Why are there Different Perceptions of the Creator? Each has their own Perspective Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD A. Because there are 2 main groups of people. 1. Those who accept the God of the Bible as being the Creator. 2. Those who reject the God of the Bible. There are subgroups of each but in the long run it won't matter. Those who accept have a solid chance at Salvation. Those who don't are destined to destruction unless they Repent and Believe. Is it possible to know The God of the Bible without ever reading or coming across The Bible. Say like a primitive indigenous tribe living in a remote region? If it is possible, would that knowing be expressed the same as in The Bible? The fact of the matter is words are primitive, when exploring and learning in the non physical it becomes abundantly clear how primitive words, and in addition, allegories from texts such as The Bible make more sense (trying having an experience beyond words and then attempting to describe it with words only, very hard to do). Lastly, what about the corruption of man? How can you believe The Bible hasn’t been changed? Ofcourse those who are corrupt have manipulated religions and religious texts for their benefit. To have such a delineated belief, either this or that, it quite silly considering we live in a universe of infinite potential, which means infinite ways of knowing God or the Creator of All Things. Consider this, is everything is made by the same source, why would that source condemn a portion of itself to destruction? Life/creation/consciousness is SO much more than what you express by regurgitating words from a book manipulated my man. You can never know unless you experience directly. Sure you can have faith, but imagine the faith of one who has direct experience and knows with all of their being that those like yourself are completely wrong in your judgmental views, with faith and conviction to stand strong against that. I don’t believe because of what I have read. I believe because of first hand experience. I have a relationship with The Creator or God, I see the many truths expressed in religious texts, but I also see the lies. Christianity speaks of many truths, but also many lies. But one of the biggest fallacies is believing the words verbatim. Words are primitive, and can NEVER express the direct experience. As such, words should be viewed as abstract meanings, a guide post of sorts. Those words (the guideposts) being used as markers when exploring the non physical realms. That’s how truly learn and come understand creation from our limited human perspective Good luck |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 84149868 United States09/15/2022 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Q. Why are there Different Perceptions of the Creator? Each has their own Perspective Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD A. Because there are 2 main groups of people. 1. Those who accept the God of the Bible as being the Creator. 2. Those who reject the God of the Bible. There are subgroups of each but in the long run it won't matter. Those who accept have a solid chance at Salvation. Those who don't are destined to destruction unless they Repent and Believe. Is it possible to know The God of the Bible without ever reading or coming across The Bible. Say like a primitive indigenous tribe living in a remote region? If it is possible, would that knowing be expressed the same as in The Bible? The fact of the matter is words are primitive, when exploring and learning in the non physical it becomes abundantly clear how primitive words, and in addition, allegories from texts such as The Bible make more sense (trying having an experience beyond words and then attempting to describe it with words only, very hard to do). Lastly, what about the corruption of man? How can you believe The Bible hasn’t been changed? Ofcourse those who are corrupt have manipulated religions and religious texts for their benefit. To have such a delineated belief, either this or that, it quite silly considering we live in a universe of infinite potential, which means infinite ways of knowing God or the Creator of All Things. Consider this, is everything is made by the same source, why would that source condemn a portion of itself to destruction? Life/creation/consciousness is SO much more than what you express by regurgitating words from a book manipulated my man. You can never know unless you experience directly. Sure you can have faith, but imagine the faith of one who has direct experience and knows with all of their being that those like yourself are completely wrong in your judgmental views, with faith and conviction to stand strong against that. I don’t believe because of what I have read. I believe because of first hand experience. I have a relationship with The Creator or God, I see the many truths expressed in religious texts, but I also see the lies. Christianity speaks of many truths, but also many lies. But one of the biggest fallacies is believing the words verbatim. Words are primitive, and can NEVER express the direct experience. As such, words should be viewed as abstract meanings, a guide post of sorts. Those words (the guideposts) being used as markers when exploring the non physical realms. That’s how truly learn and come understand creation from our limited human perspective Good luck Great comments Tanoros. God wants us to follow our natural path of walking with Him. Who teaches a dog to be a dog and use it's senses of smell to hunt? It hunts by following it's nature and uses it's senses naturally. It is the same with us. We can know and learn though the Spirit of God within us. Just follow your natural programming that God provided. |
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| danielbarzohar
(OP) User ID: 37998008 United States09/15/2022 06:42 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Q. Why are there Different Perceptions of the Creator? Each has their own Perspective Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD A. Because there are 2 main groups of people. 1. Those who accept the God of the Bible as being the Creator. 2. Those who reject the God of the Bible. There are subgroups of each but in the long run it won't matter. Those who accept have a solid chance at Salvation. Those who don't are destined to destruction unless they Repent and Believe. Is it possible to know The God of the Bible without ever reading or coming across The Bible. Say like a primitive indigenous tribe living in a remote region? If it is possible, would that knowing be expressed the same as in The Bible? The fact of the matter is words are primitive, when exploring and learning in the non physical it becomes abundantly clear how primitive words, and in addition, allegories from texts such as The Bible make more sense (trying having an experience beyond words and then attempting to describe it with words only, very hard to do). Lastly, what about the corruption of man? How can you believe The Bible hasn’t been changed? Ofcourse those who are corrupt have manipulated religions and religious texts for their benefit. To have such a delineated belief, either this or that, it quite silly considering we live in a universe of infinite potential, which means infinite ways of knowing God or the Creator of All Things. Consider this, is everything is made by the same source, why would that source condemn a portion of itself to destruction? Life/creation/consciousness is SO much more than what you express by regurgitating words from a book manipulated my man. You can never know unless you experience directly. Sure you can have faith, but imagine the faith of one who has direct experience and knows with all of their being that those like yourself are completely wrong in your judgmental views, with faith and conviction to stand strong against that. I don’t believe because of what I have read. I believe because of first hand experience. I have a relationship with The Creator or God, I see the many truths expressed in religious texts, but I also see the lies. Christianity speaks of many truths, but also many lies. But one of the biggest fallacies is believing the words verbatim. Words are primitive, and can NEVER express the direct experience. As such, words should be viewed as abstract meanings, a guide post of sorts. Those words (the guideposts) being used as markers when exploring the non physical realms. That’s how truly learn and come understand creation from our limited human perspective Good luck Great comments Tanoros. God wants us to follow our natural path of walking with Him. Who teaches a dog to be a dog and use it's senses of smell to hunt? It hunts by following it's nature and uses it's senses naturally. It is the same with us. We can know and learn though the Spirit of God within us. Just follow your natural programming that God provided. Thanks for contributing! "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind." |
| danielbarzohar
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(OP) User ID: 37998008 United States09/15/2022 10:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In Exodus chapter 6 God revealed it's highest manifestation to Moses with the name YHVH and contrasted that with the name of El Shaddai that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob knew God as. Commentators in the Stone Edition of the Torah note that El Shaddai was a lesser manifestation of God that put limits on creation through natural laws and put limits on the universe while YHVH was the highest manifestation of God. Quoting: danielbarzohar Both manifestations of "God" derive from the Creator/Source energy that comes from nothingness or void. Out of nothing came a divine thought that was nothing until it became something. Similar how humans think before speaking words from sounds. The thought arises to produce something more tangible. The key point is that there is One source to all. The universal mind that is aware and exists and is outside of our realm and unknowable to us. We are co-creators with this source and by trying to understand and define what created us, we as a group co-create smaller faces or fractals of the unknowable energy that we focus on to call "god". These fractals are part of the unknowable Creator/Source and are given power by those that believe in them. Groups fight and argue about their opinions and perspectives of what they believe to be truth when in reality whatever each individual believes to be true is their reality and their universe. The great awakening is when a significant portion of humanity sees through veil to understand that there is only One with many parts and that the parts are really an illusion as the One explores different perspectives of itself. We are very close to the unveiling where many will understand and see through the illusion. All those with awareness of existing are part of the greater whole. In the end those with awareness will acknowledge that there is only One and that what we view as separation is just an illusion. Continue to follow your individual path of awakening. Look deep within your being to know who you are and what you are part of. See beyond the illusions all around you that distract. Do not engage in arguing with others about their path compared to your own, but instead, focus your energies and thoughts on reaching your source and truths within. When you accomplish that, you will grow to change your perspective to see through the illusion by increasing your awareness. The Creator/Source has total awareness. By going within to enhance our connection to our Source energy, we will expand our awareness to go beyond this world of lies which has each of us distracted. At least this is my perspective and my path. Yours may be very different as everyone's path is unique. My perspective is only shared to help those on a similar path to mine. Stay true to yourself and your path. Enjoy your journey. ^^^^^^^ Most of this is utter bullshit ! The "god" nearly all refer to is in fact The Devil........the demiurgos ! Only the True Gnostics with the nous awakened know what happens in this evilly created physical dimension. The "god" of this world is the devil. This world is a world of illusions and lies as the devil is father of lies. Thanks for your comments and stay on your unique path. "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind." |
| danielbarzohar
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| danielbarzohar
(OP) User ID: 37998008 United States09/15/2022 10:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whoever it is I'm not impressed...(looks at children with cancer, endless war, extreme poverty, evil ruling class, etc.). Quoting: VegasRick  You will end up where your thoughts take you. Let go of the evil in this reality and dream of a reality that is above duality. Good travels in your journey. "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind." |
| danielbarzohar
(OP) User ID: 37998008 United States09/15/2022 11:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is the difference between knowing and defining the Creator? What we see today are various groups fighting over their understanding of the Creator according to their definition. It is based on the individual's perspective which is the lens that they see their reality through based on life experiences, upbringing, and learning from various text such as the Bible. Defining your concept of the Creator is not possible as the Creator is beyond our reality, our senses. In essence it is unknowable, being outside of everything yet within everything. Yet, the Creator is within everything as the Creator created all and sustains all. Its' life force yields life and existence in all that is. Knowing the Creator involves going within to connect to the source of our very existence. This knowing is an intimate connection we enhance through the choices we make as we walk our path with our Creator. It is not believing in someone's definition of the Creator or in a concept that we construct through sacred texts. A person is able to know the Creator without being able to define and describe the Creator. Seek to observe the Creator's creation all around you and then go within to know and walk with your Creator. Strive to make wise decisions as you walk with the Creator and learn to see things from its' perspective. The Creator's perspective is seeing your actions through the perspectives of each individual you encounter such that you treat others as you would be treated. SO strive to know your source, your Creator. "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind." |
| danielbarzohar
(OP) User ID: 37998008 United States09/16/2022 12:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Interesting short video (13:01) by Alan Watts. We live in an eternal now. We have all the time in the world because it is now. You are this universe. We are all part of Creation, part of the Creator. We are one drop in a vast ocean and can taste the ocean to know it by tasting ourselves because we are that single drop portion of the ocean. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Last Edited by danielbarzohar on 09/16/2022 12:12 AM "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind." |
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User ID: 84201816 United States09/16/2022 01:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Q. Why are there Different Perceptions of the Creator? Each has their own Perspective Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD A. Because there are 2 main groups of people. 1. Those who accept the God of the Bible as being the Creator. 2. Those who reject the God of the Bible. There are subgroups of each but in the long run it won't matter. Those who accept have a solid chance at Salvation. Those who don't are destined to destruction unless they Repent and Believe. Is it possible to know The God of the Bible without ever reading or coming across The Bible.... Only if God deems it to be so. You calim to know 'the Creator' but do you really? Thread: A "Voice" in Your Head"? ASK who It Is. Bible Study - Scripture About Spirits ..... God speaks to humans. The Bible records what He told various prophets in the first 4000+ years after Creation. Thread: Father God DOES Speak to Humans - God's Voice - KJV Bible Study ... The Bible has 'Lies'? Show us ONE person, place or event from the Bible that didn't exist or never happened. You can't. It's accurate history. God...the Father..exists, as does His Son Yeshua. The Bible covers 4000+ years of their interaction with mankind. NOTHING you say will change these facts. In reality, there is not one single shred of evidence OF ANY KIND that actually DISPROVES any of the vast majority of events in the Bible. Dozens of people AND hundreds of places mentioned in the Bible have been proven to exist. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
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| Servant-of-the-LORD
User ID: 84201816 United States09/16/2022 01:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Define "Creator". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84201864 There's no "Creator" to begin with. It's just that you Neanderthal skull can't understand nor accept things as they are, you make up phantasies in your mind. So....the universe came into being from...nothing????        ..... Are you a descendent of the apes - or of the primordial black goo? ..... Thread: Intelligent Design 3.0 - Stephen C. Meyer I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
| danielbarzohar
(OP) User ID: 37998008 United States09/16/2022 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Define "Creator". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84201864 There's no "Creator" to begin with. It's just that you Neanderthal skull can't understand nor accept things as they are, you make up phantasies in your mind. We have awareness that comes from an awareness beyond ourselves. It is impossible to define the Creator, but a person can know that which is within themselves which is a part of the source that gave us awareness. "Do only that, which would be acceptable to all mankind." |
| Funney
User ID: 84194241  Czechia09/16/2022 10:05 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Too much influence of books. They have become a walking sum of books. Your soul can no longer be influenced. But your Bodies always can! moral reasoning takes about 250 miliseconds we make errors in between perception->relation->behaviour |
| Tanoros
User ID: 79901141 United States09/16/2022 10:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Q. Why are there Different Perceptions of the Creator? Each has their own Perspective Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD A. Because there are 2 main groups of people. 1. Those who accept the God of the Bible as being the Creator. 2. Those who reject the God of the Bible. There are subgroups of each but in the long run it won't matter. Those who accept have a solid chance at Salvation. Those who don't are destined to destruction unless they Repent and Believe. Is it possible to know The God of the Bible without ever reading or coming across The Bible.... Only if God deems it to be so. You calim to know 'the Creator' but do you really? Thread: A "Voice" in Your Head"? ASK who It Is. Bible Study - Scripture About Spirits ..... God speaks to humans. The Bible records what He told various prophets in the first 4000+ years after Creation. Thread: Father God DOES Speak to Humans - God's Voice - KJV Bible Study ... The Bible has 'Lies'? Show us ONE person, place or event from the Bible that didn't exist or never happened. You can't. It's accurate history. God...the Father..exists, as does His Son Yeshua. The Bible covers 4000+ years of their interaction with mankind. NOTHING you say will change these facts. In reality, there is not one single shred of evidence OF ANY KIND that actually DISPROVES any of the vast majority of events in the Bible. Dozens of people AND hundreds of places mentioned in the Bible have been proven to exist. It’s pretty simple actually, most of those in positions of power world wide are corrupted, institutions such as religions ones, are corrupted? Do you think Thr Bible has been left untouched? The church is corrupted to all hell, yet The Bible is untouched? We know that’s not true, at Constantinople The Bible was edited to fit the narrative of the corrupt ones, and the Dead Sea Scrolls confirm The Bible was edited. What else was left out? Like I said before, I have a relationship with the creator, I’ve seen and experienced things that you could never get from talking to someone or from reading a book. Reality is SO much more complicated and magical than you could ever begin to understand if you limit yourself to reading and not direct experience. You cant truly know what you don’t experience. As OP said in a previous post, God is undefinable, and y he knowing of this truth can only be experienced. We are all one. We are consciousness. As consciousness expands it comes closer to God, which is the consciousness of all things. Have you ever experienced the consciousness of a hive mind of ants? How about two atoms interacting? These are things God/creator can show you when you go to him. You learn things such as consciousness is life. Good luck |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75178015 United States09/16/2022 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just know the Hebie God and The Father Jesus claims are not the same God. One is a very vain and is a jealous God, and the other is very humble and is willing to die for love. Two very stark psychological differences, that many people don't seem to realize and confuse the two as the same. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80376576 United States09/16/2022 10:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: God's NAME - Yehovah / Yahweh Appearing on Eastern Wall of the Temple Mount Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD Thread: The Importance of Father God's Name in the Hebrews Language - in the Future - It is Now Thread: Was God's Name Removed or Omitted from the New Testament? - Bible History Thread: 2008 Pope Benedict XVI Banned Father God's Name Yehovah / Yahweh From Prayers Hymns Mass All of creation is a manifestation of the Creator/Source energy forming a multi-tiered hierarchy of beings. Prove that statement. You can't. It's gnostic gnonsense. Show us ONE person, place or event from the Bible that either never existed or didn't happen. You can't. It's accurate history. “I tell you, if these were silent, the very stones would cry out.” |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 80376576 United States09/16/2022 10:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Q. Why are there Different Perceptions of the Creator? Each has their own Perspective Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD A. Because there are 2 main groups of people. 1. Those who accept the God of the Bible as being the Creator. 2. Those who reject the God of the Bible. There are subgroups of each but in the long run it won't matter. Those who accept have a solid chance at Salvation. Those who don't are destined to destruction unless they Repent and Believe. Is it possible to know The God of the Bible without ever reading or coming across The Bible.... Only if God deems it to be so. You calim to know 'the Creator' but do you really? It's simple. Ye shall no them by their fruits. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75337616 United States09/16/2022 11:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you don’t read the word you get your own satanic lie that you build in your little brain for your self. You might get it from tv and let it build. Like the Alien lie. My nephew believes the Valhalla bs. Thinks he is some kind of modern warrior. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83918374 United States09/16/2022 12:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: God's NAME - Yehovah / Yahweh Appearing on Eastern Wall of the Temple Mount Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD Thread: The Importance of Father God's Name in the Hebrews Language - in the Future - It is Now Thread: Was God's Name Removed or Omitted from the New Testament? - Bible History Thread: 2008 Pope Benedict XVI Banned Father God's Name Yehovah / Yahweh From Prayers Hymns Mass All of creation is a manifestation of the Creator/Source energy forming a multi-tiered hierarchy of beings. Prove that statement. You can't. It's gnostic gnonsense. Show us ONE person, place or event from the Bible that either never existed or didn't happen. You can't. It's accurate history. That is what the bible says silly. God created all that is which includes angels, demons, humans, and animals. God said humans would rule over animals and angels are above humans which makes up a hiearchy of beings. You should read your bible more. i have read the bible and it never claims that god created angels or demons only animals and humans. perhaps you could reread it and point out where it says god created angels. what evidence do you have that able or cain existed? what evidence do you have that moses existed? note: you can not use the bible or quran as your source. |
