Why are there Different Perceptions of the Creator? Each has their own Perspective

Thanks for thi thread op!

'Angels are above humand'?
No verse tates such.

I think you missed this....

Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him.
And he said unto me, See thou do it not:
I am thy fellowservant, and of thy breth-
ren that have the testimony of Jesus: wor-
ship God: for the testimony of Jesus is
the spirit of prophecy.

These verses indicate a hierarchy that the Creator established in his creation. The arc angels, Gabriel and Michael are higher than other angels. The verses you quote were referencing a lower angel as a fellow servant. Mankind likely fits somewhere below the Creator and the arc angels, but above the more numerous Mal’akh or Messenger angels.

Genesis chapter 1

27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

28 God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

29 Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;

Psalm chapter 8

3 When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers,
The moon and the stars, which You have set in place;

4 What is man that You think of him,
And a son of man that You are concerned about him?

5 Yet You have made him a little lower than God,
And You crown him with glory and majesty!

Hebrews chapter 2

6 But someone has testified somewhere, saying,

“What is man, that You think of him?
Or a son of man, that You are concerned about him?
7 You have made him for a little while lower than angels;
You have crowned him with glory and honor;
8 You have put everything in subjection under his feet.”

SO there is obviously order and hierarchy in Creation established by the Creator of all.

One can argue opinions based on selective verses. Those opinions are just that.

The main point is that hierarchies and order were established by design. Man is above the animals. The Creator is above man. The arc angels are above man while the messenger angels may be more equal to man.

You are very welcome!

Thanks for contributing to this thread!

Maybe anything we can imagine becomes real somewhere. Who's to say if our dream world is real. Maybe ours dreams are reality in another level or dimension. Thoughts?

So when a bunch of folks believe in a certain name and version of God, their belief creates that God? I don't think we are capable of understanding God enough to define Him. He is above our limited senses and understanding. All we get are glimpses from the world around us and through reading the Bible.

There are some things that are unknowable, such as the true nature of GOD which the human mind cannot comprehend but can only apprehend through intuitive insight.


The “ I Am” has no boundaries, works outside of the box, the “ I Am” simply exists is unaffected and unaffectable by any outside stimulus. The “ I Am “ Stands alone, can't be named, can't be owned, can't be labeled.

I AM is Omniscience, omnipresent, omnipotent, somniferous omnibus, in short Omni

Duh.


Believe God.


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Know

that you don't know shit

and believe God.

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Great way to explain it. Thanks!

Enjoy your fundraiser and thanks for sharing.

In my opinion, God put messages in everything. We just need to use our spiritual insight from inside us to recognize God's message scattered in the world around us

Michael and Gabriel don't serve the Father and Jesus like Believers are supposed to?

NONSENSE.

Angels have free will just like we do. It's how the 200 Fallen LEFT Heaven in the days of Jared.

Then there's this...

1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

We don't worship angels - nor call them Lord - EXCEPT for 'the Angel OF the LORD'.

I appreciate your opinion on scripture, but that is all it is, an opinion supported by a few select verses instead of the entirety of scripture that should be used to broaden your understanding.

You did not address the verses that I quoted regarding creation and the angels. There are also verses that indicate that there is a chief angel over each country or people. Take a look at the book of Daniel where an angel, likely Gabriel, was sent by God but was hindered by the chief prince angel over Persia. Michael came to assist the angel's efforts to get to Daniel with the interpretation of Daniel's vision.

Daniel 10:10-14

10 Then behold, a hand touched me and shook me on my hands and knees.

11 And he said to me, “Daniel, you who are treasured, understand the words that I am about to tell you and stand at your place, for I have now been sent to you.” And when he had spoken this word to me, I stood up trembling.

12 Then he said to me, “Do not be afraid, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart on understanding this and on humbling yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to your words.

13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was standing in my way for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia.

14 Now I have come to explain to you what will happen to your people in the latter days, because the vision pertains to the days still future.”

There is a hierarchy established by the Creator and you and I likely do not understand its complexities. You are stating your opinion that the creator did not establish a hierarchy when obviously it did otherwise how could the creator have sent a messenger to interpret Daniel's vision.

You seem to get stuck on select verses without seeing the big picture and understanding it. It is clear mankind was put above the animals and plants and the that Creator has a hierarchy of angels that it uses to govern the nations and interact with mankind.

Please study to deepen your understanding beyond the superficial interpretations of selected verses that you currently quote. Scripture is multi-layered and quantum in nature.

Last Edited by danielbarzohar on 09/13/2022 06:56 PM

Michael and Gabriel have free will, but do serve the Creator. All the angels serve the Creator and are its messengers, except for those that rebelled.

I never said that we worship angels.

Your view of angels does not negate the order and hierarchy the Creator established in Creation. It created order from nothingness and chaos.

Two is one

One is two

You are me and

I am you.

It is time to finish punching holes through the walls of this reality by focusing our intent on a reality above duality.

Make it so.

Thanks so much Lou for contributing to this discussion! Blessings to you!

Great insight into the multiverse. Thoughts become things since all is consciousness. We are part of the Universal Mind which is the dreamer of all that is.

The Dreamer must awaken to reveal all truth.

That time seems very close at hand.

You might want to read this thread if you haven't read it before.

Thread: Your Thoughts have Power: They can Create Entities or Transport You to Anywhere

Hey brother, Hey sister

We are all one.



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Is the creator still creating?

We are co-creators with the Creator. So anytime we dream and imagine, we are creating dream realities with the Creator's source energy that is within us to sustain us.

In addition, as long as the Creator (Universal Mind) thinks, those thoughts continually create and sustain that which was, is and will be.

So the short answer is yes.

Here is an interesting thread that explains the OPs perspective on things.

Seeing other perspectives is valuable to examine our own and challenge one's own perspective and thinking.

He who is wise learns from everyone and everything. The Creator speaks through literally anything if we but pay attention.


Thread: The Overlay/Construct Is Falling Apart

I used 'select verses'?

You did too - to promote your false doctrine that angels are'higher' than humans.

The 2 verses I posted - you conveniently leave out of your 'theory' - your OWN opinion - because they PROVE your theory to be wrong.

- Angels are supposed to serve God inHeaven and wherever He sends them. Angels SENT to Daniel, Mary, John and others.

- Humans are supposed to serve God on Earth - whevever He may send them. Noah, Abraham, Moses - even Jesus was SENT.

UNLESS they use their 'free will' to disobey.

These are Biblical facts.

We're all servants of God.

The word "angels" occurs 94 times in 92 verses in the KJV.

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The word "angel" occurs 201 times in 192 verses in the KJV.

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Matthew 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? About 5000 per legion

Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

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The word "angels" occurs 29 times in both the 4 Gospels AND in "Acts through Jude" of the New Testament.

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The word "angel" occurs 23 times in both the 4 Gospels AND in "Acts through Jude" of the New Testament.

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