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The battle of the wore out sliding glass door

 
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The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
We Won! Thank You Lord and all involved

glass doors can drive you nuts especially if you have an old one

Is your's getting dilapidated from high use?

this might save you from going down the wrong rabbit trails looking for a fix.

so drop a question or maybe bookmark for later

i just want to help

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somethings to add about finding parts and doing the job

It is easy to get started. this is a two normal people thing. lift the door up and out at the bottom. the videos i saw, the door was put on saw horses. i found it best to leave it on it's side edge. leaned up with the top end in a doorway or up against a solid object. most doors you have to unscrew both ends of the the bottom edge to get out the roller housing. take out the frame screws out on one roller corner. flip it over, one person on each end and do the other corner. this keeps both frame sides in place while you work on it. also the fame facing will upright in case you have to do a bit of drilling on the frame to get to the wheel height adjusting screw. no big deal, will cover that later..at this point it is time to retrieve the rollers from a supply store.

On hardware supply stores, our good fascist level economy has left few niches for mom and pop hardware stores. apparently another pop and mom have odd/old stamp equipment, and make all of the oddball hardware stuff. maybe they build the parts for Pella ect. idk i just know that on about the second door laydown and two set of wheels from the local big boxes that were neares match.. that 'aaallmost' fit, but would quite work. then giving up for a while. lol after all the floortrack was worn down too.6 seven hundred for a new one? just wont use the sumbitch. someone mentioned the D and W hardware store in Pensacola. WaLLA! found the parts. maybe a google search for extruded aluminum frame parts will work where you are. a question to ask if the have tandem set rollers that look like miniature main landing gear wheel trucks. (i'm serious..they had those) i can help you stab around and find a store if needed. the one in pensacola had lots of off traffic parts. pella might have these parts for all i know. i would be leary of trying to order something if it is an old door. my case anyway. no brand names on mine to search

my door is about 40 years old. pretty weighty slab of glass. i have known it over 20 years. it never was quite right. someone, in it's teenage years, had replaced the rollers with ones that were not quite correct.. the ones they put worked, did the job, but wore out pretty quick. it threw me off for a while, looking for the right rollers.. must be 30+ roller designs out there. lowes, home depot, ace ect carry the parts for only the later stuff.

parts for older doors can be a challenge. different wheel designs for the different extruded aluminum frame types. box stores don't cover them all. idk probably old doors will fall in just one or two types. you need to carry the bottom frame piece with you and take pictures of the place it came out of.

i am in lower baldwin county al. the go to place for parts in this part of panhandle country it turns out, was a little hardware store in pensacola. D and W hardware. if you have old sliding doors this is the go to place for wheels and steel track cap strips. might be another place over on the east side now that I think about it. you might have to dig around to find a source in the nearest larger size town. they are out there though.

ps you might run into a spot where you have to drill out the frame to get to the wheel/door height adjusting screws.

not uncommon i understand no big deal if you have a drill. alu is soft. there are youtube videos about that also

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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
1. Clean the track
2. Replace the wheels

Is there moar?
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yes the tracks go bad too
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
Dear diary, today I search for how to repair glass sliding doors for the shower. Later during the day, I came to GLP and this is the first thread I saw.

There must be some data algorithm gathering user searches that end up being posted by bots on web forums, at least that’s been the pattern for quite some time

I hope I get some good dreams tonight.. any way I’ll check in tomorrow

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^^lol^^

sleep well...
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
1. Clean the track
2. Replace the wheels

Is there moar?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62226146


yes the tracks go bad too
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72603548


finding an exact fit can be a challenge on an old one.

yup. put down a stainless track overlay.
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
Dear diary, today I search for how to repair glass sliding doors for the shower. Later during the day, I came to GLP and this is the first thread I saw.

There must be some data algorithm gathering user searches that end up being posted by bots on web forums, at least that’s been the pattern for quite some time

I hope I get some good dreams tonight.. any way I’ll check in tomorrow

<3
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77044202


check back in. we can get you going if you need a hand
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
1. Clean the track
2. Replace the wheels

Is there moar?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62226146


Animal fur in the wheels is a fun time.
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
1. Clean the track
2. Replace the wheels

Is there moar?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62226146


Animal fur in the wheels is a fun time.
 Quoting: Lost Pottawatomi




HahA.... damn dogs... I still love em.
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
1. Clean the track
2. Replace the wheels

Is there moar?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62226146


Animal fur in the wheels is a fun time.
 Quoting: Lost Pottawatomi


i hear you. and that sounds like a high traffic door

never dealt with it other than when this place was a rental. general dog and dirt buildup.

good to keep them (and the wheel bearings) freed up.

there is a good bit of weight on very small circles.

you don't want the to ever them slid. they will flat spot easily

then they go bump bump from then till they are changed out.
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
1. Clean the track
2. Replace the wheels

Is there moar?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62226146


Animal fur in the wheels is a fun time.
 Quoting: Lost Pottawatomi




HahA.... damn dogs... I still love em.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84166822



I have golden retrievers.... fur shedding machines...
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
1. Clean the track
2. Replace the wheels

Is there moar?
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Yes, after 50 years of use and repair, I finally had to replace one of mine.
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
Wtf?

Go to your local hardware store and buy some cheap French doors and install them.
Cheaper that new glass sliders and much prettier too.
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
1. Clean the track
2. Replace the wheels

Is there moar?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62226146


Animal fur in the wheels is a fun time.
 Quoting: Lost Pottawatomi


i hear you. and that sounds like a high traffic door

never dealt with it other than when this place was a rental. general dog and dirt buildup.

good to keep them (and the wheel bearings) freed up.

there is a good bit of weight on very small circles.

you don't want the to ever them slid. they will flat spot easily

then they go bump bump from then till they are changed out.
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Use gently, no slamming, broom them out regular. Use furniture polish when needed. Work the polish in. Gently...
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
1. Clean the track
2. Replace the wheels

Is there moar?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62226146


Animal fur in the wheels is a fun time.
 Quoting: Lost Pottawatomi




HahA.... damn dogs... I still love em.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84166822



I have golden retrievers.... fur shedding machines...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84166822


Yes, Golden Fur Producers.

Another fun thing is when I bought my house the door was well-slammed, and there were little dished down ruts in the aluminum track at the closed end, so you really had to yank hard at first when opening.
Reason #15 why I don't like aluminum.

My kids have visited there, and the new owners want me to come visit.
I wonder if they have replaced the old one yet or if they are still enjoying the ruts.
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
1. Clean the track
2. Replace the wheels

Is there moar?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62226146


Yes, after 50 years of use and repair, I finally had to replace one of mine.
 Quoting: TheGasMan II


japanpm

dang good job of keeping it alive!

i bet if you knew now what you didn't then, you could have kept it alive another 50 years.

when i went on the wheel hunt, i knew i had a fair shot i could get them from the usual places. lowes home depot ace ect.

but i called a couple of glass places to maybe source some parts. rabbit trail of last resort is what i got from both. all they wanted to talk about was a new door. no parts.

what do they want for about.. say a 6 foot slider?

installed. that's too much for me to handle.
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
1. Clean the track
2. Replace the wheels

Is there moar?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62226146


Yes, after 50 years of use and repair, I finally had to replace one of mine.
 Quoting: TheGasMan II


japanpm

dang good job of keeping it alive!

i bet if you knew now what you didn't then, you could have kept it alive another 50 years.

when i went on the wheel hunt, i knew i had a fair shot i could get them from the usual places. lowes home depot ace ect.

but i called a couple of glass places to maybe source some parts. rabbit trail of last resort is what i got from both. all they wanted to talk about was a new door. no parts.

what do they want for about.. say a 6 foot slider?

installed. that's too much for me to handle.
 Quoting: Deplorableduckhunter


Thanks!

My 60x80 in July 2019 was $239 plus tax and delivery, so about $300. That did not include install, I installed it myself.

With today's prices, you would be looking at about $750 installed.
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Animal fur in the wheels is a fun time.
 Quoting: Lost Pottawatomi




HahA.... damn dogs... I still love em.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84166822



I have golden retrievers.... fur shedding machines...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84166822


Yes, Golden Fur Producers.

Another fun thing is when I bought my house the door was well-slammed, and there were little dished down ruts in the aluminum track at the closed end, so you really had to yank hard at first when opening.
Reason #15 why I don't like aluminum.

My kids have visited there, and the new owners want me to come visit.
I wonder if they have replaced the old one yet or if they are still enjoying the ruts.
 Quoting: Lost Pottawatomi


that is the magic of a stainless track overlay

5a

it is a thin 'U' (turned upside down) shaped piece of stainless steel (about ten bucks from the wheel shop) that runs the length of the rail.

just snaps over the old aluminum. end of problem. i bet if they were put on by the glass framer, there never would have been a problem in the first place.

the glass folks like the wheels riding on worn aluminum rails. makes the phone ring more often.

another thing in rails i got into was fretting about the rails being too worn down for the overlay to work. impossible. the overlay snaps on and sits flat on the door plate
baring the complete door load from the concave U shaped door wheels. directly across the U shaped snapped on overlay strip. which sit flat on the on the plate.

there are youtube vids (one in particular) of old guys putting tape dams along the sides of the worn down rails and pouring epoxy to build up the Au rail height to try to match the overlay strip. then trying to file that shit back down. before putting down a rail cap. ikd if he might have been using some other type is why he was doing it.

a bit of a disclaimer. i just got everything gathered and reassembled today. will see how the cap and new wheels hold up. it is a very high traffic door on the end of the house. out into carport. there is a young active family living there. delighted that busted ass door is back in commission.

for now rolling slick as can be.

we shall see

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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
1. Clean the track
2. Replace the wheels

Is there moar?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62226146


Yes, after 50 years of use and repair, I finally had to replace one of mine.
 Quoting: TheGasMan II


japanpm

dang good job of keeping it alive!

i bet if you knew now what you didn't then, you could have kept it alive another 50 years.

when i went on the wheel hunt, i knew i had a fair shot i could get them from the usual places. lowes home depot ace ect.

but i called a couple of glass places to maybe source some parts. rabbit trail of last resort is what i got from both. all they wanted to talk about was a new door. no parts.

what do they want for about.. say a 6 foot slider?

installed. that's too much for me to handle.
 Quoting: Deplorableduckhunter


Thanks!

My 60x80 in July 2019 was $239 plus tax and delivery, so about $300. That did not include install, I installed it myself.

With today's prices, you would be looking at about $750 installed.
 Quoting: TheGasMan II


lordy be.. the snap on rail i put on, we cut with a hack saw, was 67 inches long. i guess my door was a bit bigger.

bet that was quite a job. my is layered under siding. would be a mess.
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
bump

for the evening crowd..
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
1. Clean the track
2. Replace the wheels

Is there moar?
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Not really.
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i spray pam in the track..
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
Wtf?

Go to your local hardware store and buy some cheap French doors and install them.
Cheaper that new glass sliders and much prettier too.
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i don't see where tearing out a good glass slider, that is easy to repair, then installing another set of cheap french doors is a good solution. lol my idea of fun is not ripping out door frames when something can be restored to like new for less than 50 bucks.

not for me anyway.
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
1. Clean the track
2. Replace the wheels

Is there moar?
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Not really.
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i spray pam in the track..
 Quoting: Aborted Soul


with all respect, that is not the thing to do. not only does it collect dirt, it encourages the little wheels, with all that weight, to slide on the soft aluminum track.

the track wears down. the wheels (when they turn) go bump, bump, and bump bump some more..

that's when you grow to hate the door more and more..
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
Buy Pella & no issues. 20 years and works as great as when it was installed.
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
Glass doors are racist
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
My new place has 3 glass doors....3!

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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
We have french doors now which is just a slight step above. I hate them all. I like a solid door.
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
Buy Pella & no issues. 20 years and works as great as when it was installed.
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Good choice. twenty years is great service! would that be an aluminum floor plate? stainless steel track?
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
We have french doors now which is just a slight step above. I hate them all. I like a solid door.
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no glider in your case?
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Re: The battle of the wore out sliding glass door
My new place has 3 glass doors....3!

huffy
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how are they holding up?

you don't have to put up with shitty working doors. easy to fix

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My little brother had the end of one of his fingers chopped off by the sliding glass door in the house we grew up in when he was 5. 30+ years later, he still refuses to go near sliding glass doors.
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