The book of enoch.

Your question is irrelevent to the discussion.

Father God states that He ALONE is God - but that doesn't stop modern day people calleing Jesus the 'god-man'.

The false book itself declares its own fraud in even what is written in it.

Your argument is not with me. It's with the living God. It is HIM that you will face and explain your defense of this book straight from the devil.

You DO know that, right?

God is never irrelevant, and neither is the question.

By the way, you and i need to talk about Jesus and Who He is, since you brought Him up. But that's the subject of another thread.

Is Jasher one of the Apocryphal texts?

This goes back to the other thread, when I mentioned Christ instructing the disciples on texts that were inspired by God, and those which were not.

The authors of the New Testament would not be quoting from works not divine. The high priests of the Nicaean conference did hide knowledge from us. Or did their best trying.

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Good stuff

The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls proved that the Apocrypha pre-dates Jesus, thus putting a lie to those who rejected it for us.

Do you believe that praying to Jesus is idolatry?

No - for the simple fact that Jesus isn't an 'idol'.

And Jesus is the 'advocate TO the Father'.

Yet the Lord's Prayer is directed to the Father ONLY.

That is significant.

Thread: The Lord's Prayer - The ONLY Prayer Given the Apostles - Declares the Father as Sovereign - KJV Bible Study

Yes - look it up.

Thread: Son of God - Jesus' Relationship To The Father - John 17 and More - Bible Study

Thread: Father God is the "I AM' / God Almighty / Jehovah in Exodus. Not Jesus. Bible Study Scriptural Proof.

Thank you. You DO realize that the Bible disagrees with you, right? As do i.

Never the less, i believe that we can have a civil discussion on it, amen?

That's because HE was praying to our heavenly Father at that time.

He was not claiming to not be divine, and God in the flesh for the purpose of shedding His blood and dying for our sins.

Don't waste your breath - there isn't an argument that you can present that I haven't already heard.

Jesus NEVER says the phrase 'I am God'.

No one writes the phrase 'Jesus IS God'.

Why is that?

Show us the verse(s) that says Salvation depends
on Believeing that 'Jesus is God'.

You can't. They don't exist.

Instead, all these verses say...

...'Believe in the SON OF God'.

1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

"Witness verses"

Matthew 16

16 And Simon Peter answered and said,
Thou art the Christ,
the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him,
Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona:...


John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

John 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

1 Peter 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

No He wasn't. Read the passage. The Apostles ASKED Jesus for a prayer. It's the ONLY prayer Jesus GAVE to them.

Look up the word 'divine' in the KJV.

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Another word for divine is 'holy'.

Father God is Holy.
The Son of God is Holy.
The Holy Spirit is...
Angels are Holy.
The saints are 'Holy men'.

Thread: Holy - Holy One - Holiness etc - KJV Bible Study

Since you brought hp Jesus, i WILL "waste my breath" and trust that God uses my words for His glory and His Truth, and without being combative and rude.

It's a G0OD thing to discuss these issues for even the purpose of edification, etc. There is no need to find them threatening or an "argument".

Of course it rests on the assumption that the Bible IS the Word of God, God-breathed and inspired by Him. And to BELIEVE God and His Word.

Otherwise why even quote from it?

The Bible isn't 'the word'.

It contains God's words and statements.

It also contains thoughts of men.

Man is not the subject of the Bible. GOD is.

GOD, El Elyon, is supreme, not "man".

What does God say about HIS thoughts vs man's thoughts?

Father God SENT Jesus. 47 verses where Jesus said He was SENT by the Father.

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.....

Father God TAUGHT Jesus.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them,
When ye have lifted up the Son of man,
then shall ye know that I am he,
and that I do nothing of myself;

but as my Father hath taught me,
I speak these things.

.....

Father God TOLD Jesus what to say.

John 12

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

.....

Father God RAISED Jesus from the dead. 18 verses.

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Father God GAVE Jesus Power.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

The living God is not the Author of confusion.

Enoch was God's Scribe.

You can come in here and discredit all you want, but Enoch wrote truth.

The problem is, what enoch witnessed and wrote down doesn't fit the narrative.

People like to read a good story book with a happy ending, one that is easily swallowed and explained. That is not Enoch books. You have to keep a pretty open mind when reading his works.

Enoch was not a liar.
I believe he witnessed the things that he wrote about. I'm not going to judge him for that.

Enoch saw portals and the upside down.
Enoch is describing different realms or levels.

Would it really surprise you to find out that heaven is here on earth? It's just on a different frequency, different level??

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The phrase "living God" occurs 30 times in 30 verses in the KJV.

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Matthew 16

16 And Simon Peter answered and said,

Thou art the Christ,

the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him,

Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona:

for flesh and blood hath not revealed

it unto thee, but my Father

which is in heaven.

It, in essence, has many under its "spell". That's why it's much coveted by the occultic and its practitioners, such as Aleister Crowley, the English occultist.

Since Satan tempted Eve with the promise of secret knowledge, man has fallen for this temptation, and delves into it, making excuses for it, and even attempting to claim it's Biblical, and even written by the man of God, Enoch, even as it is a mish mash of myths, and abhorrent and an abomination to thd living God.

Yet it is worshiped, and coveted, and an idol and defended fercely by those who are enamored with it, and all the insidious evil within it.

It is written in God's Word that we are to expose those evil works done in the darkness and have nothing to do with them. (Ephesians 5:11)

BUMP

The book of enoch is mentioned in the bible, but what is currently known as the book of enoch is Gnostic pharisee garbage. Some of it is authentic, surrounded by a mountain of lies, thereby making the whole book unreliable. So many errors:

Enoch lived 365 years:

Genesis 5

23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years

Book of Enoch says 500 years

Book of Enoch-Chapter 3-third parable:

15 In the year 500, in the seventh month, on the fourteenth day of the month in
the life of Enoch.

Brutal error.

There are countless contradictions in the "book of enoch" vs the majority text. The books currently called Jasher, Jubilees, Enoch, Adam and Eve, etc can NOT be relied upon (i read them all). Enoch is filled with Astrology and biblical abominations. The stories of fallen angels and nephillim are true as we can see throughout the bible, we dont need enoch to prove that.

Remember Cain also had a son Enoch, so Enochian magic and such are related to the Cainites abominations.

Solomon worshipped devils in his latter life and became the greatest master of demonology, his works on demonology are still revered amongst the satanic elite. The six pointed star, also called the 'hex'agram is known as the seal of solomon, it has a numerical value of 666 and is used to control demons.

Beware of Gnostic catholic pharistetical babylonian doctrine like what is currently known as Enoch.

LOL! Behave yourself.

Be a nice troll.