The book of enoch.

11,250 feet by today's definition of "ell" a unit of measure equal to roughly 45 inches. Six hand breadths

What is an ell?

Aaaaaah, ok, thank you.

parable explaining how to access universal wisdom

not to be read literally, like all religious / mythological text are not to be read literally

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Lucifer.
Melchizedek.
Jesus.

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it's easy

enoch means teacher

he gains wisdom and becomes a teacher

Doesn't that sound a bit familiar? That's exactly how Satan was able to intrigue/snare Eve, wasn't it? Didn't he promise her the same thing?

To irritate you and your peeps.

LOL!

it should sound familiar it is foudn across religions and cultures and time.

so god wants morons?

Proverbs 3:13-18

Blessed is the one who finds wisdom, and the one who gets understanding, for the gain from her is better than gain from silver and her profit better than gold. She is more precious than jewels, and nothing you desire can compare with her.

Proverbs 1:7

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.


Proverbs 10:23

Doing wrong is like a joke to a fool, but wisdom is pleasure to a man of understanding.


Colossians 3:16

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God.

Proverbs 18:15

An intelligent heart acquires knowledge, and the ear of the wise seeks

knowledge.


Proverbs 2:6

For the Lord gives wisdom; from his mouth come knowledge and understanding;

Proverbs 16:16

How much better to get wisdom than gold! To get understanding is to be chosen rather than silver.


Luke 21:15

For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which none of your adversaries will be able to withstand or contradict


Ecclesiastes 8:1

Who is like the wise? And who knows the interpretation of a thing? A man's wisdom makes his face shine, and the hardness of his face is changed.


Proverbs 4:6-7

Do not forsake her, and she will keep you; love her, and she will guard you. The beginning of wisdom is this: Get wisdom, and whatever you get, get insight.

Ecclesiastes 7:12

For the protection of wisdom is like the protection of money, and the advantage of knowledge is that wisdom preserves the life of him who has it.

enoch was not promised wisdom, he was shown wisdom by god

Matthew 10:16

“Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Enoch was granted widom by God, in that the beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord. And since Enoch walked with God and consequently God was pleased with Enoch, Enoch feared God and was therefore wise. Someone who did not fear God could not have "walked with God". in addition Enoch was obedient and humble, for only the wise are humble.

Being obedient and wise, and thus humble, Enoch would've never went off to write anything that is the antithesis to anything of God, and the epitome of abomination that is used as a text book to summon demons, etc.

Titus 1:13-14 and 1st Timothy 4:1

yeah but you said being promised wisdom was the work of satan

now you flip flop after you get shown how many times the bible says wisdom is the most important thing, more valuable then gold

so which is it, is wisdom the work of satan, or the reward for the obedient and humble?

Anything other than God's wisdom, is an abomination and is adversarial to God. Satan was attempting to snare Eve into coveting for "knowledge" and telling her that God was evil because He was "hiding" this hidden knowledge, this "good stuff" from her because He didn't want her to be a "god". Why i asked if this sounded "familiar" is because Lucifer/Satan wanted the same. He wanted to usurp God and to de-throne Him, and to sit on God's throne as God.

This is why Jesus called Satan the father of lies, and a murderer from the beginning. Satan wanted to murder God. He seemed to forget that God is the Creator, and that he is "created".

The Book of Enoch I believe fills in the gaps of Genesis 6. The reason for the great flood and Noah's family.

Adultery and resulting abominations are at the root of it. Creation and the redemption process was subverted again.

I said enoch gained wisdom and you said




you did not make any specifications about god's wisdom

you send enoch's wisdom is the same as satan and eve

now you change your tune

i was responding to something else you posted.

In addition, Enoch who walked with God is not associated with, nor did he write the "book of enoch".

no... I only posted one thing that the meaning to the book of enoch was a parable for learning knowledge

then you said hmm sounds familiar like satan promising knowledge

and no one said enoch wrote the book of enoch

Yes, Satan is a sneaky li'l devil, ain't he? He KNOWS that man (and Eve too) are tempted by wanting to "know" more than anyone else, you know, sorta' to be "as God", and hey if it's "secret" knowledge, that's just irresistible. That's why Eve was snared by Satan. And that's why man throughout history was snared by Satan. It appeals to ego and pride and wanting to be our own little "gods". It becomes a tug of war of will....our will versus God's will. And just like Eve, we throw God "under the bus". That is an example of why coveting is a sin.

On a side note, "knowledge" and "wisdom" are two very different things.

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The bottom line is many people want wisdom in some kind of pill form, without the work part.

That obviously defeats the purpose.

That's not very wise, is it?

As stated above, knowledge and wisdom are two very different things.

It sounds more like a coveting for "knowledge", and not a seeking for "wisdom.

Wisdom is learned through hardship.

If everything was easy, people wouldnt learn shit.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. It involves the humbleness to acknowledge the fact that God is God, and we are not, and thus giving God His due and respecting Who He is.

Proverbs 9:10

Yeah that thinking is exactly what they WANT and My, how they sell it, package it, use it like a weapon, and shower it over the heads of the masses.

Fear is the ultimate Weapon of Mass Distortion. It blinds, restricts, hypnotizes, impedes forward motion, and reduces the recipient to a quivering mass of spineless jelly, ready and able to receive any post-hypnotic suggestion and behavior.

Fear is used mainly in our time as a control feature, its powerful solar-plexus frequencies shutting down the higher, leaving the mind and body under the animalistic control of the limbic brain and reactive thinking.

And this is just the beginning.

You, my friend, are unfortunately mistaking fleshly fear with the fear of the Lord, which is neither evil, nor is it a "brainwashed", zombie-like, robotic, mindlessness that deadens ones soul, mind, and heart. It's a recognition and respect for God Almighty.

It's what is "key" in the formation of mighty men and women of valor, of which David, Gideon, and Deborah were amongst.

When one has a proper "fear of the Lord", one does not fear man or beast, or spiritual adversaries, and is therefore equipped to give the devil a beat-down.

So what?

There's plenty in our modern Bibles that is not fully understood. Enoch is no different.

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"Jasher" occurs 2 times in 2 verses in the KJV.

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Joshua 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

2 Samuel 1:18 (Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the bow: behold, it is written in the book of Jasher.)

Would the living God, that you claim to be a servant of, agree with your "so what"?

You can't PROVE that what the book says wasn't orally handed down over the generations.

On top of that Enoch was mentioned even in the New Testament.

The texts existed 2000+ years ago.