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How do you overcome Fibromyalgia Naturally?

 
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How do you overcome Fibromyalgia Naturally?
I was recently diagnosed with Fibromyalgia, how do you get rid of it naturally?
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By walking and realizing you have created it psyhologicaly.
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Diet and vitamins are a great start, Look up Fibromyalgia and vitamin b....
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The pain appears real and if you actually have physical pain on top of that the Fibromyalgia exponentially increases the effect making the pain feel even worse.

So the question becomes distinguishing the difference between the two which could be very hard to do if you have physical pain then the mental pain amplifies it.

Now if you don't have any physical pain then it is all in your mind. I had anxiety a few years ago before I learned to control it and that shit freaked me out. I thought I was dying I went to the damn ER so many times with a heart attack I can't count.

Then one time I was in there...and when I handed them my insurance card and told them where I worked they didn't specify but said something to the effect of you're the 10th one from your company tonight. lol

I eventually learned it was my mind playing tricks on me and it went away...but it was a trip...and some drugs can make anxiety worse.

All I know about it is it seems real and it is in your mind. The bigger problem is physical pain and mental pain would play off each other and make you super miserable.

I was thinking about some meditation or yoga even though right now my pain is all physical. Me being emo doesn't help the least bit with it.
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in warm cup of water stir in 1 TABLESPOON APPLE CIDER VINEGAR WITH 1 TABLESPOON HONEY ..mix and drink a cup several times a day...............then .switch to extra virgin first cold pressed olive oil use a total of"5" tablespoons daily ..in place of butter and mayonaise on your food ..This oil lubricates your joints and muscles from within.say good bye to pain.you do not need fancy expensive precriptions .....u must use extra virgin first cold pressed olive oil.. .also add 1 tablespoon morning and night of cod liver oil for vit A and vit D this regenerates tissues and help with breathing problems like asthma..emphasema tuberculoses.. helps stop hunger also..u lose weight too..
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in warm cup of water stir in 1 TABLESPOON APPLE CIDER VINEGAR WITH 1 TABLESPOON HONEY ..mix and drink a cup several times a day...............then .switch to extra virgin first cold pressed olive oil use a total of"5" tablespoons daily ..in place of butter and mayonaise on your food ..This oil lubricates your joints and muscles from within.say good bye to pain.you do not need fancy expensive precriptions .....u must use extra virgin first cold pressed olive oil.. .also add 1 tablespoon morning and night of cod liver oil for vit A and vit D this regenerates tissues and help with breathing problems like asthma..emphasema tuberculoses.. helps stop hunger also..u lose weight too..cut down on coffee and processedfoods try cooking from scratch it is much healthier..soak veggies in salt water for 15 minutes to get rid of micrscopic microbes...cut back on meat..olive oil makesyou feel fuller without meat..look it up on Health Benefits of Extra Virgin First Cold Pressed Olive Oil..do the same Look up. Health Benefits of Apple cider Venegar and Honey in warm cup of water.for pain relief... god bless
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only one way so far proven:

pharmeceuticals = expensive and long term issues

the other is

NCD, tested to reduce symptoms from the start

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fibromylangia is connected to city living, chemtrails and
low immunity and low PH levels.

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Just curious, how many on this thread actually have Fibromyalgia?
It's no wonder this thread was given only a one star (no reflection to the OP), the information (aside from lubing the joints) sucks.
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[link to www.neurotransmitter.net]

Some information as to the possibility that it could be an infection.
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I think someone told me doctors were trying to get it declassified as a disease and therefore untreatable as one.
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Search for it with mycoplasma. The info is out there (as they say ;) ).
Get a zapper and that will probably do the trick.
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By walking and realizing you have created it psyhologicaly.
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I was hit by a truck the Dr. said I have it. I am not a psyco.
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in warm cup of water stir in 1 TABLESPOON APPLE CIDER VINEGAR WITH 1 TABLESPOON HONEY ..mix and drink a cup several times a day...............then .switch to extra virgin first cold pressed olive oil use a total of"5" tablespoons daily ..in place of butter and mayonaise on your food ..This oil lubricates your joints and muscles from within.say good bye to pain.you do not need fancy expensive precriptions .....u must use extra virgin first cold pressed olive oil.. .also add 1 tablespoon morning and night of cod liver oil for vit A and vit D this regenerates tissues and help with breathing problems like asthma..emphasema tuberculoses.. helps stop hunger also..u lose weight too..cut down on coffee and processedfoods try cooking from scratch it is much healthier..soak veggies in salt water for 15 minutes to get rid of micrscopic microbes...cut back on meat..olive oil makesyou feel fuller without meat..look it up on Health Benefits of Extra Virgin First Cold Pressed Olive Oil..do the same Look up. Health Benefits of Apple cider Venegar and Honey in warm cup of water.for pain relief... god bless
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Thanks, I have cust way back on meat do to the fact I have a dislocated jaw, do cook most of my food from scratch I live in a border/city area 10 blocks away is a store and everyother way is country. I dont do drugs alchohol ect...try to eat healthy I was put on 50,000 Vit D cap a week, but I will try cod liver oil. Vinegar kills my stomach so mayo and apple cider vinegar it kinda out of the question for me.
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By walking and realizing you have created it psyhologicaly.


I was hit by a truck the Dr. said I have it. I am not a psyco.
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OP, I do have it, along with several other posters here. Yes it is classified as a disease, and Medicare/Medicaid acknowledge it as such. There is no cure, same as the exact cause for it is still out. Yes, a rhumotologist can give local shots if needed, and there are medicines that can be tried, to help relax muscles.
Do research it, and keep up with what others suggest, especially with a good diet, exercise, rest. A good site to start with is curezone.com.
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I am not overweight I am only 97 lbs not anorexic i do eat, I feel like I have had every blood test in the world I dont have much more blood for them to test. I've been prescribed all kinds of nerve pain meds (no way I'll take anything that is origionally for sezures), my symptoms are:
Insnomia (4-6 hrs of sleep), IBS, Restless leg syndrome, TMJ (I had a TMJ Arithroplasty done in Sep 07), PTSD (yes had some bad times in life) I have never hurt anyone or myself, joint pain I am over flexible and if I dont work out I get stiff but when I work out I feel like I was boxing with Mike Tyson for up to 2 days after, I feel pretty lethargic no energy whatsoever, Cant think straight loss of concentration. Until I had my kid I was fine.
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Mycoplasma, The Linking Pathogen in Neurosystemic Diseases

Several strains of mycoplasma have been "engineered" to become more dangerous.
They are now being blamed for AIDS, cancer, CFS, MS, CJD and other neurosystemic diseases

by Donald W. Scott, MA, MSc
President, The Common Cause Medical Research Foundation
[link to educate-yourself.org]
September, 2001

Extracted from Nexus Magazine, Volume 8, Number 5 (August-September 2001)

I - PATHOGENIC MYCOPLASMA

A Common Disease Agent Weaponised
There are 200 species of Mycoplasma. Most are innocuous and do no harm; only four or five are pathogenic. Mycoplasma fermentans (incognitus strain) probably comes from the nucleus of the Brucella bacterium. This disease agent is not a bacterium and not a virus; it is a mutated form of the Brucella bacterium, combined with a visna virus, from which the mycoplasma is extracted.

The pathogenic Mycoplasma used to be very innocuous, but biological warfare research conducted between 1942 and the present time has resulted in the creation of more deadly and infectious forms of Mycoplasma. Researchers extracted this mycoplasma from the Brucella bacterium and actually reduced the disease to a crystalline form. They "weaponised" it and tested it on an unsuspecting public in North America.
Dr Maurice Hilleman, chief virologist for the pharmaceutical company Merck Sharp & Dohme, stated that this disease agent is now carried by everybody in North America and possibly most people throughout the world.

Despite reporting flaws, there has clearly been an increased incidence of all the neuro/systemic degenerative diseases since World War II and especially since the 1970s with the arrival of previously unheard-of diseases like chronic fatigue syndrome and AIDS.

According to Dr Shyh-Ching Lo, senior researcher at The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology and one of America's top mycoplasma researchers, this disease agent causes many illnesses including AIDS, cancer, chronic fatigue syndrome, Crohn's colitis, Type I diabetes, multiple sclerosis, Parkinson's disease, Wegener's disease and collagen-vascular diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis and Alzheimer's.

Dr Charles Engel, who is with the US National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, Maryland, stated the following at an NIH meeting on February 7, 2000: "I am now of the view that the probable cause of chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia is the mycoplasma..."

I have all the official documents to prove that mycoplasma is the disease agent in chronic fatigue syndrome/fibromyalgia as well as in AIDS, multiple sclerosis and many other illnesses. Of these, 80% are US or Canadian official government documents, and 20% are articles from peer-reviewed journals such as the Journal of the American Medical Association, New England Journal of Medicine and the Canadian Medical Association Journal. The journal articles and government documents complement each other.

How the Mycoplasma Works
The mycoplasma acts by entering into the individual cells of the body, depending upon your genetic predisposition. You may develop neurological diseases if the pathogen destroys certain cells in your brain, or you may develop Crohn's colitis if the pathogen invades and destroys cells in the lower bowel.

Once the mycoplasma gets into the cell, it can lie there doing nothing sometimes for 10, 20 or 30 years, but if a trauma occurs like an accident or a vaccination that doesn't take, the mycoplasma can become triggered. Because it is only the DNA particle of the bacterium, it doesn't have any organelles to process its own nutrients, so it grows by uptaking pre-formed sterols from its host cell and it literally kills the cell; the cell ruptures and what is left gets dumped into the bloodstream.

II – CREATION OF THE MYCOPLASMA

A Laboratory-Made Disease Agent
Many doctors don't know about this mycoplasma disease agent because it was developed by the US military in biological warfare experimentation and it was not made public. This pathogen was patented by the United States military and Dr Shyh-Ching Lo. I have a copy of the documented patent from the US Patent Office.1

All the countries at war were experimenting with biological weapons. In 1942, the governments of the United States, Canada and Britain entered into a secret agreement to create two types of biological weapons (one that would kill, and one that was disabling) for use in the war against Germany and Japan, who were also developing biological weapons. While they researched a number of disease pathogens, they primarily focused on the Brucella bacterium and began to weaponise it.

From its inception, the biowarfare program was characterised by continuing in-depth review and participation by the most eminent scientists, medical consultants, industrial experts and government officials, and it was classified Top Secret. The US Public Health Service also closely followed the progress of biological warfare research and development from the very start of the program, and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) in the United States were working with the military in weaponising these diseases. These are diseases that have existed for thousands of years, but they have been weaponised--which means they've been made more contagious and more effective. And they are spreading.

The Special Virus Cancer Program, created by the CIA and NIH to develop a deadly pathogen for which humanity had no natural immunity (AIDS), was disguised as a war on cancer but was actually part of MKNAOMI.2 Many members of the Senate and House of Representatives do not know what has been going on. For example, the US Senate Committee on Government Reform had searched the archives in Washington and other places for the document titled "The Special Virus Cancer Program: Progress Report No. 8", and couldn't find it. Somehow they heard I had it, called me and asked me to mail it to them. Imagine: a retired schoolteacher being called by the United States Senate and asked for one of their secret documents! The US Senate, through the Government Reform Committee, is trying to stop this type of government research.

Crystalline Brucella
The title page of a genuine US Senate Study, declassified on February 24, 1977, shows that George Merck, of the pharmaceutical company, Merck Sharp & Dohme (which now makes cures for diseases that at one time it created), reported in 1946 to the US Secretary of War that his researchers had managed "for the first time" to "isolate the disease agent in crystalline form".3

They had produced a crystalline bacterial toxin extracted from the Brucella bacterium. The bacterial toxin could be removed in crystalline form and stored, transported and deployed without deteriorating. It could be delivered by other vectors such as insects, aerosol or the food chain (in nature it is delivered within the bacterium). But the factor that is working in the Brucella is the mycoplasma.

Brucella is a disease agent that doesn't kill people; it disables them. But, according to Dr Donald MacArthur of the Pentagon, appearing before a congressional committee in 1969,4 researchers found that if they had mycoplasma at a certain strength--actually, 10 to the 10th power (1010)--it would develop into AIDS, and the person would die from it within a reasonable period of time because it could bypass the natural human defences. If the strength was 108, the person would manifest with chronic fatigue syndrome or fibromyalgia. If it was 107, they would present as wasting; they wouldn't die and they wouldn't be disabled, but they would not be very interested in life; they would waste away.

Most of us have never heard of the disease brucellosis because it largely disappeared when they began pasteurising milk, which was the carrier. One salt shaker of the pure disease agent in a crystalline form could sicken the entire population of Canada. It is absolutely deadly, not so much in terms of killing the body but disabling it. Because the crystalline disease agent goes into solution in the blood, ordinary blood and tissue tests will not reveal its presence. The mycoplasma will only crystallise at 8.1 pH, and the blood has a pH of 7.4 pH. So the doctor thinks your complaint is "all in your head".

Crystalline Brucella and Multiple Sclerosis
In 1998 in Rochester, New York, I met a former military man, PFC Donald Bentley, who gave me a document and told me: "I was in the US Army, and I was trained in bacteriological warfare. We were handling a bomb filled with brucellosis, only it wasn't brucellosis; it was a Brucella toxin in crystalline form. We were spraying it on the Chinese and North Koreans."

He showed me his certificate listing his training in chemical, biological and radiological warfare. Then he showed me 16 pages of documents given to him by the US military when he was discharged from the service. They linked brucellosis with multiple sclerosis, and stated in one section: "Veterans with multiple sclerosis, a kind of creeping paralysis developing to a degree of 10% or more disability within two years after separation from active service, may be presumed to be service-connected for disability compensation. Compensation is payable to eligible veterans whose disabilities are due to service." In other words: "If you become ill with multiple sclerosis, it is because you were handling this Brucella, and we will give you a pension. Don't go raising any fuss about it." In these documents, the government of the United States revealed evidence of the cause of multiple sclerosis, but they didn't make it known to the public--or to your doctor.

In a 1949 report, Drs Kyger and Haden suggested "the possibility that multiple sclerosis might be a central nervous system manifestation of chronic brucellosis". Testing approximately 113 MS patients, they found that almost 95% also tested positive for Brucella.5 We have a document from a medical journal, which concludes that one out of 500 people who had brucellosis would develop what they call neurobrucellosis; in other words, brucellosis in the brain, where the Brucella settles in the lateral ventricles--where the disease multiple sclerosis is basically located.6

Contamination of Camp Detrick Lab Workers
A 1948 New England Journal of Medicine report titled "Acute Brucellosis Among Laboratory Workers" shows us how actively dangerous this agent is.7 The laboratory workers were from Camp Detrick, Frederick, Maryland, where they were developing biological weapons. Even though these workers had been vaccinated, wore rubberised suits and masks and worked through holes in the compartment, many of them came down with this awful disease because it is so absolutely and terrifyingly infectious.

The article was written by Lt Calderone Howell, Marine Corps, Captain Edward Miller, Marine Corps, Lt Emily Kelly, United States Naval Reserve, and Captain Henry Bookman. They were all military personnel engaged in making the disease agent Brucella into a more effective biological weapon.

III – COVERT TESTING OF MYCOPLASMA

Testing the Dispersal Methods
Documented evidence proves that the biological weapons they were developing were tested on the public in various communities without their knowledge or consent. The government knew that crystalline Brucella would cause disease in humans. Now they needed to determine how it would spread and the best way to disperse it. They tested dispersal methods for Brucella suis and Brucella melitensis at Dugway Proving Ground, Utah, in June and September 1952. Probably, 100% of us now are infected with Brucella suis and Brucella melitensis.8

Another government document recommended the genesis of open-air vulnerability tests and covert research and development programs to be conducted by the Army and supported by the Central Intelligence Agency. At that time, the Government of Canada was asked by the US Government to cooperate in testing weaponised Brucella, and Canada cooperated fully with the United States. The US Government wanted to determine whether mosquitoes would carry the disease and also if the air would carry it. A government report stated that "open-air testing of infectious biological agents is considered essential to an ultimate understanding of biological warfare potentialities because of the many unknown factors affecting the degradation of micro-organisms in the atmosphere".9

Testing via Mosquito Vector in Punta Gorda, Florida
A report from The New England Journal of Medicine reveals that one of the first outbreaks of chronic fatigue syndrome was in Punta Gorda, Florida, back in 1957.10 It was a strange coincidence that a week before these people came down with chronic fatigue syndrome, there was a huge influx of mosquitoes. The National Institutes of Health claimed that the mosquitoes came from a forest fire 30 miles away. The truth is that those mosquitoes were infected in Canada by Dr Guilford B. Reed at Queen's University. They were bred in Belleville, Ontario, and taken down to Punta Gorda and released there. Within a week, the first five cases ever of chronic fatigue syndrome were reported to the local clinic in Punta Gorda. The cases kept coming until finally 450 people were ill with the disease.

Testing via Mosquito Vector in Ontario
The Government of Canada had established the Dominion Parasite Laboratory in Belleville, Ontario, where it raised 100 million mosquitoes a month. These were shipped to Queen's University and certain other facilities to be infected with this crystalline disease agent. The mosquitoes were then let loose in certain communities in the middle of the night, so that the researchers could determine how many people would become ill with chronic fatigue syndrome or fibromyalgia, which was the first disease to show. One of the communities they tested it on was the St Lawrence Seaway valley, all the way from Kingston to Cornwall, in 1984. They let out hundreds of millions of infected mosquitoes. Over 700 people in the next four or five weeks developed myalgic encephalomyelitis, or chronic fatigue syndrome.

IV – COVERT TESTING OF OTHER DISEASE AGENTS

Mad Cow Disease/Kuru/CJD in the Fore Tribe
Before and during World War II, at the infamous Camp 731 in Manchuria, the Japanese military contaminated prisoners of war with certain disease agents. They also established a research camp in New Guinea in 1942. There they experimented upon the Fore Indian tribe and inoculated them with a minced-up version of the brains of diseased sheep containing the visna virus which causes "mad cow disease" or Creutzfeldt&endash;Jakob disease.

About five or six years later, after the Japanese had been driven out, the poor people of the Fore tribe developed what they called kuru, which was their word for "wasting", and they began to shake, lose their appetites and die. The autopsies revealed that their brains had literally turned to mush. They had contracted "mad cow disease" from the Japanese experiments.

When World War II ended, Dr Ishii Shiro--the medical doctor who was commissioned as a General in the Japanese Army so he could take command of Japan's biological warfare development, testing and deployment--was captured. He was given the choice of a job with the United States Army or execution as a war criminal. Not surprisingly, Dr Ishii Shiro chose to work with the US military to demonstrate how the Japanese had created mad cow disease in the Fore Indian tribe.

In 1957, when the disease was beginning to blossom in full among the Fore people, Dr Carleton Gajdusek of the US National Institutes of Health headed to New Guinea to determine how the minced-up brains of the visna-infected sheep affected them. He spent a couple of years there, studying the Fore people, and wrote an extensive report. He won the Nobel Prize for "discovering" kuru disease in the Fore tribe.

Testing Carcinogens over Winnipeg, Manitoba
In 1953, the US Government asked the Canadian Government if it could test a chemical over the city of Winnipeg. It was a big city with 500,000 people, miles from anywhere. The American military sprayed this carcinogenic chemical in a 1,000%-attenuated form, which they said would be so watered down that nobody would get very sick; however, if people came to clinics with a sniffle, a sore throat or ringing in their ears, the researchers would be able to determine what percentage would have developed cancer if the chemical had been used at full strength.

We located evidence that the Americans had indeed tested this carcinogenic chemical--zinc cadmium sulphide--over Winnipeg in 1953. We wrote to the Government of Canada, explaining that we had solid evidence of the spraying and asking that we be informed as to how high up in the government the request for permission to spray had gone. We did not receive a reply.

Shortly after, the Pentagon held a press conference on May 14, 1997, where they admitted what they had done. Robert Russo, writing for the Toronto Star11 from Washington, DC, reported the Pentagon's admission that in 1953 it had obtained permission from the Canadian Government to fly over the city of Winnipeg and spray out this chemical--which sifted down on kids going to school, housewives hanging out their laundry and people going to work. US Army planes and trucks released the chemical 36 times between July and August 1953. The Pentagon got its statistics, which indicated that if the chemical released had been full strength, approximately a third of the population of Winnipeg would have developed cancers over the next five years.

One professor, Dr Hugh Fudenberg, MD, twice nominated for the Nobel Prize, wrote a magazine article stating that the Pentagon came clean on this because two researchers in Sudbury, Ontario--Don Scott and his son, Bill Scott--had been revealing this to the public. However, the legwork was done by other researchers!

The US Army actually conducted a series of simulated germ warfare tests over Winnipeg. The Pentagon lied about the tests to the mayor, saying that they were testing a chemical fog over the city, which would protect Winnipeg in the event of a nuclear attack. A report commissioned by US Congress, chaired by Dr Rogene Henderson, lists 32 American towns and cities used as test sites as well.

V – BRUCELLA MYCOPLASMA AND DISEASE

AIDS
The AIDS pathogen was created out of a Brucella bacterium mutated with a visna virus; then the toxin was removed as a DNA particle called a mycoplasma. They used the same mycoplasma to develop disabling diseases like MS, Crohn's colitis, Lyme disease, etc. In the previously mentioned US congressional document of a meeting held on June 9, 1969,12 the Pentagon delivered a report to Congress about biological weapons. The Pentagon stated: "We are continuing to develop disabling weapons." Dr MacArthur, who was in charge of the research, said: "We are developing a new lethal weapon, a synthetic biological agent that does not naturally exist, and for which no natural immunity could have been acquired." Think about it. If you have a deficiency of acquired immunity, you have an acquired immunity deficiency. Plain as that. AIDS.

In laboratories throughout the United States and in a certain number in Canada including at the University of Alberta, the US Government provided the leadership for the development of AIDS for the purpose of population control. After the scientists had perfected it, the government sent medical teams from the Centers for Disease Control--under the direction of Dr Donald A. Henderson, their investigator into the 1957 chronic fatigue epidemic in Punta Gorda--during 1969 to 1971 to Africa and some countries such as India, Nepal and Pakistan where they thought the population was becoming too large.13 They gave them all a free vaccination against smallpox; but five years after receiving this vaccination, 60% of those inoculated were suffering from AIDS. They tried to blame it on a monkey, which is nonsense.

A professor at the University of Arkansas made the claim that while studying the tissues of a dead chimpanzee she found traces of HIV. The chimpanzee that she had tested was born in the United States 23 years earlier. It had lived its entire life in a US military laboratory where it was used as an experimental animal in the development of these diseases. When it died, its body was shipped to a storage place where it was deep-frozen and stored in case they wanted to analyse it later. Then they decided that they didn't have enough space for it, so they said, "Anybody want this dead chimpanzee?" and this researcher from Arkansas said: "Yes. Send it down to the University of Arkansas. We are happy to get anything that we can get." They shipped it down and she found HIV in it. That virus was acquired by that chimpanzee in the laboratories where it was tested.14

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/ Myalgic Encephalomyelitis
Chronic fatigue syndrome is more accurately called myalgic encephalomyelitis. The chronic fatigue syndrome nomenclature was given by the US National Institutes of Health because it wanted to downgrade and belittle the disease.

An MRI scan of the brain of a teenage girl with chronic fatigue syndrome displayed a great many scars or punctate lesions in the left frontal lobe area where portions of the brain had literally dissolved and been replaced by scar tissue. This caused cognitive impairment, memory impairment, etc. And what was the cause of the scarring? The mycoplasma. So there is very concrete physical evidence of these tragic diseases, even though doctors continue to say they don't know where it comes from or what they can do about it.

Many people with chronic fatigue syndrome, myalgic encephalo-myelitis and fibromyalgia who apply to the Canada Pensions Plan Review Tribunal will be turned down because they cannot prove that they are ill. During 1999 I conducted several appeals to Canada Pensions and the Workers Compensation Board (WCB, now the Workplace Safety and Insurance Board) on behalf of people who have been turned down. I provided documented evidence of these illnesses, and these people were all granted their pensions on the basis of the evidence that I provided.

In March 1999, for example, I appealed to the WCB on behalf of a lady with fibromyalgia who had been denied her pension back in 1993. The vice-chairman of the board came to Sudbury to hear the appeal, and I showed him a number of documents which proved that this lady was physically ill with fibromyalgia. It was a disease that caused physical damage, and the disease agent was a mycoplasma. The guy listened for three hours, and then he said to me: "Mr Scott, how is it I have never heard of any of this before? I said: "We brought a top authority in this area into Sudbury to speak on this subject and not a single solitary doctor came to that presentation."

VI – TESTING FOR MYCOPLASMA IN YOUR BODY

Polymerase Chain Reaction Test
Information is not generally available about this agent because, first of all, the mycoplasma is such a minutely small disease agent. A hundred years ago, certain medical theoreticians conceived that there must be a form of disease agent smaller than bacteria and viruses. This pathogenic organism, the mycoplasma, is so minute that normal blood and tissue tests will not reveal its presence as the source of the disease.

Your doctor may diagnose you with Alzheimer's disease, and he will say: "Golly, we don't know where Alzheimer's comes from. All we know is that your brain begins to deteriorate, cells rupture, the myelin sheath around the nerves dissolves, and so on." Or if you have chronic fatigue syndrome, the doctor will not be able to find any cause for your illness with ordinary blood and tissue tests.

This mycoplasma couldn't be detected until about 30 years ago when the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test was developed, in which a sample of your blood is examined and damaged particles are removed and subjected to a polymerase chain reaction. This causes the DNA in the particles to break down. The particles are then placed in a nutrient, which causes the DNA to grow back into its original form. If enough of the substance is produced, the form can be recognised, so it can be determined whether Brucella or another kind of agent is behind that particular mycoplasma.

Blood Test
If you or anybody in your family has myalgic encephalomyelitis, fibromyalgia, multiple sclerosis or Alzheimer's, you can send a blood sample to Dr Les Simpson in New Zealand for testing. If you are ill with these diseases, your red blood cells will not be normal doughnut-shaped blood cells capable of being compressed and squeezed through the capillaries, but will swell up like cherry-filled doughnuts which cannot be compressed. The blood cells become enlarged and distended because the only way the mycoplasma can exist is by uptaking pre-formed sterols from the host cell. One of the best sources of pre-formed sterols is cholesterol, and cholesterol is what gives your blood cells flexibility. If the cholesterol is taken out by the mycoplasma, the red blood cell swells up and doesn't go through, and the person begins to feel all the aches and pains and all the damage it causes to the brain, the heart, the stomach, the feet and the whole body because blood and oxygen are cut off.

And that is why people with fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome have such a terrible time. When the blood is cut off from the brain, punctate lesions appear because those parts of the brain die. The mycoplasma will get into portions of the heart muscle, especially the left ventricle, and those cells will die. Certain people have cells in the lateral ventricles of the brain that have a genetic predisposition to admit the mycoplasma, and this causes the lateral ventricles to deteriorate and die. This leads to multiple sclerosis, which will progress until these people are totally disabled; frequently, they die prematurely. The mycoplasma will get into the lower bowel, parts of which will die, thus causing colitis. All of these diseases are caused by the degenerating properties of the mycoplasma.

In early 2000, a gentleman in Sudbury phoned me and told me he had fibromyalgia. He applied for a pension and was turned down because his doctor said it was all in his head and there was no external evidence. I gave him the proper form and a vial, and he sent his blood to Dr Simpson to be tested. He did this with his family doctor's approval, and the results from Dr Simpson showed that only 4% of his red blood cells were functioning normally and carrying the appropriate amount of oxygen to his poor body, whereas 83% were distended, enlarged and hardened, and wouldn't go through the capillaries without an awful lot of pressure and trouble. This is the physical evidence of the damage that is done.

ECG Test
You can also ask your doctor to give you a 24-hour Holter ECG. You know, of course, that an electrocardiogram is a measure of your heartbeat and shows what is going on in the right ventricle, the left ventricle and so on. Tests show that 100% of patients with chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia have an irregular heartbeat. At various periods during the 24 hours, the heart, instead of working happily away going "bump-BUMP, bump-BUMP", every now and again goes "buhbuhbuhbuhbuhbuhbuhbuhbuh". The T-wave (the waves are called P, Q, R, S and T) is normally a peak, and then the wave levels off and starts with the P-wave again. In chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia patients, the T-wave flattens off, or actually inverts. That means the blood in the left ventricle is not being squeezed up through the aorta and around through the body.

My client from Sudbury had this test done and, lo and behold, the results stated: "The shape of T and S-T suggests left ventricle strain pattern, although voltage and so on is normal." The doctor had no clue as to why the T-wave was not working properly. I analysed the report of this patient who had been turned down by Canada Pensions and sent it back to them. They wrote back, saying: "It looks like we may have made a mistake. We are going to give you a hearing and you can explain this to us in more detail."

So it is not all in your imagination. There is actual physical damage to the heart. The left ventricle muscles do show scarring. That is why many people are diagnosed with a heart condition when they first develop fibromyalgia, but it's only one of several problems because the mycoplasma can do all kinds of damage.

Blood Volume Test
You can also ask your doctor for a blood volume test. Every human being requires a certain amount of blood per pound of body weight, and it has been observed that people with fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis and other illnesses do not have the normal blood volume their body needs to function properly. Doctors aren't normally aware of this.

This test measures the amount of blood in the human body by taking out 5 cc, putting a tracer in it and then putting it back into the body. One hour later, take out 5 cc again and look for the tracer. The thicker the blood and the lower the blood volume, the more tracer you will find.
The analysis of one of my clients stated: "This patient was referred for red cell mass study. The red cell volume is 16.9 ml per kg of body weight. The normal range is 25 to 35 ml per kg. This guy has 36% less blood in his body than the body needs to function." And the doctor hadn't even known the test existed.

If you lost 36% of your blood in an accident, do you think your doctor would tell you that you are alright and should just take up line dancing and get over it? They would rush you to the nearest hospital and start transfusing you with blood. These tragic people with these awful diseases are functioning with anywhere from 7% to 50% less blood than their body needs to function.

VII – UNDOING THE DAMAGE

The body undoes the damage itself. The scarring in the brain of people with chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia will be repaired. There is cellular repair going on all the time. But the mycoplasma has moved on to the next cell.

In the early stages of a disease, doxycycline may reverse that disease process. It is one of the tetracycline antibiotics, but it is not bactericidal; it is bacteriostatic--it stops the growth of the mycoplasma. And if the mycoplasma growth can be stopped for long enough, then the immune system takes over.

Doxycycline treatment is discussed in a paper by mycoplasma expert Professor Garth Nicholson, PhD, of the Institute for Molecular Medicine.15 Dr Nicholson is involved in a US$8-million mycoplasma research program funded by the US military and headed by Dr Charles Engel of the NIH. The program is studying Gulf War veterans, 450 of them, because there is evidence to suggest that Gulf War syndrome is another illness (or set of illnesses) caused by mycoplasma.
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Look up 'fibromyalgia foods'. There's plenty of links and you might find something that clicks with you. I haven't opened any of the links but there are plenty!
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Is Aspartame in your diet? Diet soft drinks, chewing gum, breath mints, any thing that is artificially sweetened.
If so, cut it out completely.
Aspartame toxicity can mimic fibromyalgia.

google Aspartame +fibromyalgia

As with any condition it is essential to drink lots of water.
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Yes, I have it. Treat it like a virus. Elderberry extract works very well on it. You have to make yourself get excersize at first to get the joints moving again. Get a GOOD liquid glucosamine with chondroitin and MSM formula. When you get sleep, make it as relaxing as you possibly can. Don't be tense and worrying. Aroma therapy and massage can help with the total relaxation of the body. And screw what they say about sunlight being bad for you. Get at least a half an hour of it everyday. This syndrom started to become more frequent when we began to have sunlight paranoia.
Good luck!
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When you received the diagnosis did they test your vitamin D level first and rule out a vitamin D deficiency? The test is called 25-hydroxy-vitamin D and a low level in our body can present like the symptoms of fibromyalgia.

Google 'vitamin D deficiency.'

You don't need to go to a doctor to have the test done. There are independent labs in most cities that perform routine blood tests. Good luck to you.
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How does this differ from polymyalgia rheumatica which is treated with Prednisone?
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Simply remove wheat and milk from your diet,and dexoxify your tissues with chorella, wheatgrass and other green whole foods..
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How does this differ from polymyalgia rheumatica which is treated with Prednisone?
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The above is an inflammatory condition.
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in warm cup of water stir in 1 TABLESPOON APPLE CIDER VINEGAR WITH 1 TABLESPOON HONEY ..mix and drink a cup several times a day...............then .switch to extra virgin first cold pressed olive oil use a total of"5" tablespoons daily ..in place of butter and mayonaise on your food ..This oil lubricates your joints and muscles from within.say good bye to pain.you do not need fancy expensive precriptions .....u must use extra virgin first cold pressed olive oil.. .also add 1 tablespoon morning and night of cod liver oil for vit A and vit D this regenerates tissues and help with breathing problems like asthma..emphasema tuberculoses.. helps stop hunger also..u lose weight too..
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yes
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Fibromyalgia is caused by the use of toxic oils in your diet...

Fibromyalgia is caused by trans fats free radical damage to skeletal muscle.. trace mineral selinium deficiency, vitamin E deficiency, and deficiency of the Amino Acid methionine...causing the replacement of muscle fibers with non functional connective tissue...

avoid all fried foods, margarine, and hetrocyclic amines found in meat that's well done...

you have to remove all corn oil, canola oil, soy oil, any hydrogentated oil.

Instead use organc oil, olive oil, butter..

Tumeric...sunflower seeds...rosemary tea...

Eucalyptus oil for massage mixed with other essential oils for massage, and red pepper salves...
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Insnomia (4-6 hrs of sleep), IBS, Restless leg syndrome, TMJ (I had a TMJ Arithroplasty done in Sep 07), PTSD (yes had some bad times in life) I have never hurt anyone or myself, joint pain I am over flexible and if I dont work out I get stiff but when I work out I feel like I was boxing with Mike Tyson for up to 2 days after, I feel pretty lethargic no energy whatsoever, Cant think straight loss of concentration. Until I had my kid I was fine.
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Are you in a toxic relationship? My sister had very similar symptoms, she was in an emotionally abusive relationship (didn't realize it at the time). When she got out of the relationship her health improved dramatically.

Most controlling relationships get worse when there is a commitment of some sort i.e. moving in together, getting married, having children, etc. "Until I had my kid I was fine".

I'm not saying that is what you have but it is something to consider. Most people never realize that controlling relationships (with their spouse, boss, co-workers, etc.) can have a devastating effect on their health.

Wish you all the best.
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Thank you for responding, meras.

I am taking Voltaren, an anti-inflamatory painkiller for my polymyalgic rheumatica. It has relieved the swelling is my lower legs and is a temporary relief from pain, but the underlying problem remains - - I really cannot walk very well at all.

After reading this:


[link to www.mayoclinic.com]

I am thinking of going to a doctor, the above article from the Mayo Clinic in hand, and asking to try Prednisone for a few days or a week to see if there is any improvement.
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Thank you for responding, meras.

I am taking Voltaren, an anti-inflamatory painkiller for my polymyalgic rheumatica. It has relieved the swelling is my lower legs and is a temporary relief from pain, but the underlying problem remains - - I really cannot walk very well at all.

After reading this:


[link to www.mayoclinic.com]

I am thinking of going to a doctor, the above article from the Mayo Clinic in hand, and asking to try Prednisone for a few days or a week to see if there is any improvement.
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Why don't you start a thread on it. I have printed out lots of health advice from this forum.

As for inflammatory conditions Starflower oil and fish oil are said to help. You would need to check with an doctor who also takes a nutritional approach to see if they are ok to use.
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I have had fibromyalgia and CFS for over 20 years. It is very difficult to treat. They nervous system in the body is very off. There is no cure yet but many hopeful things coming out it research. I have tried so many things and am still seaching.

I good website with loads of information is Immmune Support.com. I have learned much there. I also recently came across and UK gentleman that has a hypnosis site for pain and relaxation that I think is wonderful. It is free and really helps me feel better. It is Jason Newland.com.

I personally believe CFS and FM are ascension symptoms. The earth is going through hugh changes and so are we as we prepare for the big shift. IT is very difficult but it is a cleansing and we need to go throug it.
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Dear OP, so sorry about your Fibromyalgia!! Please check out www.earthclinic.com . Fibromyalgia has been linked with Floride toxicity and also with mycoplasma infection. 1/8 teaspoon of boron and 1/8 teaspoon of sea salt taken in a quart of pure water (not tap) for five days a week, then leave off for two days should help.





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