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BREAKING: Just Released Inventory Shows FBI Recovered Eleven Sets of Classified Documents in Mar-a-Lago Search

 
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The amount of twisting MAGAts are doing to justify Trump's actions is, again, staggering.

They're investigating 18 USC 793 under the Espionage Act.

Trump can make all the comparisons to Obama he likes, but its irrelevant.
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We will wait to see the documents…

It’s not like the FBI didn’t lie about a plot to kidnap the WI governor.. they also lied about hunters laptop…

Oh and Seth rich tapes…

Should I continue on all the lies…

There’s that forged fisa application too so they could spy on trump.

On and on we will go ya?
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Dont forget Hillary and her personal assistant
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From my military experience with classified information. There is documentation explaining how classified information is to be stored based upon classification as far as facility construction, storage medium and access control. Usually if you had a vault and custodian and the facility is rated for TS/SCI all levels of classified could be stored there with exception of USAP or SAP OR NOFORN (NATO SPECIFIC) OR NOCON (Depending upon personnel at the storage facility). Clearance does not equal access. There are emergency situations were somebody of lower clearance can access higher security levels and this is based on need to know.

For example where I was stationed, my squadron commander could not enter the facility I occupied even though he had clearance but did not have the need to know.

Classified material depending on the organization determines declassification protocols. These protocols are very specific. You just can't arbitrarily declassify material upon a whim especially if it is cryptographic in nature as a current operation maybe using that material and you would jeopardize lives and the mission. Classified material is based upon clearance, access and need to know. The safest declassification of any material is absolute destruction of the material and the ability to retrieve any residue.

All people that have access to classified material are thoroughly trained in security procedures, sign off or initial procedures and protocols. After your service, you are debriefed and sign more agreements. There is no way you can back out and say "I didn't know". Your exposure is documented. Your clearance access is documented. Your training is documented.

Many items are described in a regulatory book DOD 5200.1-R
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These docs would have fallen under NSA guidelines. Which are far more stringent than DoD. Even if he had a SCIF... more than likely the ATO was rescinded upon him leaving office. As I have mentioned before they are going to hang his ass on a technicality. Sucks and perhaps not fair but that is what will happen.

Besides that, you are correct. His clearance would have been revoked at time of leaving.
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But wahat of "INTENT"??????
HILLARY HAD CLASSIFIED....but Comey said they found no "INTENT"

(which was mentioned nowhere in the actual federal statute).
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But wahat of "INTENT"??????
HILLARY HAD CLASSIFIED....but Comey said they found no "INTENT"

(which was mentioned nowhere in the actual federal statute).
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They are making that up now….

Is this a comedy or drama. I can’t tell anymore.

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The media is putting out so much crap. I voted for President Trump twice. But then, you have to look at who was running against him. I know a few things, and the media hasn't said this one time. The President, even those you don't like, sets the classification of a document. He also can legally revoke any classification. If President Trump took those documents and placed them under his custody and his security clearance, that's one thing. If he took those documents and released their security, that is a totally different thing.

What Obama did or hell, even Truman, does not matter. There are still classified documents from the Truman era in his library. The librarian has control over those documents.

This is far more complex than the media is saying. All President Trump has to do is show he released the security on the documents while he was President. There will be zero charges on any of this.
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Just one of those charges carries a maximum sentence of 20 years

OH-dear
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Why?

If they have been hounding him since at least Feb demanding documents, why would he keep highly classified documents.

With everything he's been through with the FBI, all the bogus investigations, knowing they are trying to put him in prison, would he keep them? Would he even have taken them> Hard to believe.

Why wouldn't he have burned them first chance he got?
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The media is putting out so much crap. I voted for President Trump twice. But then, you have to look at who was running against him. I know a few things, and the media hasn't said this one time. The President, even those you don't like, sets the classification of a document. He also can legally revoke any classification. If President Trump took those documents and placed them under his custody and his security clearance, that's one thing. If he took those documents and released their security, that is a totally different thing.

What Obama did or hell, even Truman, does not matter. There are still classified documents from the Truman era in his library. The librarian has control over those documents.

This is far more complex than the media is saying. All President Trump has to do is show he released the security on the documents while he was President. There will be zero charges on any of this.
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In the meantime, ... It makes everybody involved look like a complete dick. Either political or totally incompetent.
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From my military experience with classified information. There is documentation explaining how classified information is to be stored based upon classification as far as facility construction, storage medium and access control. Usually if you had a vault and custodian and the facility is rated for TS/SCI all levels of classified could be stored there with exception of USAP or SAP OR NOFORN (NATO SPECIFIC) OR NOCON (Depending upon personnel at the storage facility). Clearance does not equal access. There are emergency situations were somebody of lower clearance can access higher security levels and this is based on need to know.

For example where I was stationed, my squadron commander could not enter the facility I occupied even though he had clearance but did not have the need to know.

Classified material depending on the organization determines declassification protocols. These protocols are very specific. You just can't arbitrarily declassify material upon a whim especially if it is cryptographic in nature as a current operation maybe using that material and you would jeopardize lives and the mission. Classified material is based upon clearance, access and need to know. The safest declassification of any material is absolute destruction of the material and the ability to retrieve any residue.

All people that have access to classified material are thoroughly trained in security procedures, sign off or initial procedures and protocols. After your service, you are debriefed and sign more agreements. There is no way you can back out and say "I didn't know". Your exposure is documented. Your clearance access is documented. Your training is documented.

Many items are described in a regulatory book DOD 5200.1-R
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These docs would have fallen under NSA guidelines. Which are far more stringent than DoD. Even if he had a SCIF... more than likely the ATO was rescinded upon him leaving office. As I have mentioned before they are going to hang his ass on a technicality. Sucks and perhaps not fair but that is what will happen.

Besides that, you are correct. His clearance would have been revoked at time of leaving.
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Think logically my friend. Do past presidents discuss confidential information with current presidents…

YES.

Would they need a secure room to do so on residence?

YES

Would they likely receive and hold confidential information?

YES.

Do 5 mins of research and you will see EVERY president has this room. They all hold sensitive information.

Obama paid 30 million to block the NA from getting his documents.

This is purely a BS political move… or do we need to discuss all the fuckups made by the FBI again?

I’ll go into them for you if you’re unaware.
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Anyone who thinks that President Trump is that stupid is mindless SHILL!

Bye.
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The three crimes that Donald Trump allegedly committed by reportedly removing classified documents and storing them at his Mar-A-Lago statement have been revealed according to the FBI’s search warrant.

[link to beckernews.com (secure)]

18 USC 2071 — Concealment, removal or mutilation
18 USC 793 — Gathering, transmitting or losing defence information
18 USC 1519 — Destruction, alteration or falsification of records in Federal investigations
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Hillary
General Petraeus , to name a few.
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feeebi should lynched zat puzzy TRAITOR russain agent trampo on zpot..

jzt sayin.



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The amount of twisting MAGAts are doing to justify Trump's actions is, again, staggering.

They're investigating 18 USC 793 under the Espionage Act.

Trump can make all the comparisons to Obama he likes, but its irrelevant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15977885


We will wait to see the documents…

It’s not like the FBI didn’t lie about a plot to kidnap the WI governor.. they also lied about hunters laptop…

Oh and Seth rich tapes…

Should I continue on all the lies…

There’s that forged fisa application too so they could spy on trump.

On and on we will go ya?
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Dont forget Hillary and her personal assistant
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Let’s just list them all.
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Obama obeyed the law
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Still think its a made up story to help trump.

Trump is a con man protected by secret service. Secret service would not allow fbi to go after trump.

The story is pure bull.
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And what was planted by these agents?

How does this compare from Hillary and her secret server?
Where the former president and household staff had access to sensitive SCIF information?

When the clintons left the WH did they steal property paintings and such which had to be returned via a U-haul?

How much of this information was exposing government corruption from spying on Trump and J6 BS. Would this bear the truth and bury the Alphabet agencies?
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they said "marked top secret". they know trump already declassified, so pathetic
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Garland may have pulled the trigger, but he got the go-ahead from Joe. How do we know? Biden told aides he wanted Trump prosecuted. "Mr. Biden confided to his inner circle that he believed former President Donald Trump was a threat to democracy and should be prosecuted. He has said privately that he wanted Mr. Garland to act less like a ponderous judge and more like a prosecutor who's willing to take decisive action over the events of Jan. 6."


Garland got the message and did what the big guy wanted, but the raid was a replay of the Mueller investigation. Remember when Trump handed over thousands and thousands of documents, showed the special counsel everything and they still tried to charge him with obstructing a crime that he didn't commit? The same thing happened this summer. Trump's team cooperated. It was friendly. They handed over boxes that the liberal librarian wanted over at the archive, but the feds still slapped Trump with a subpoena in June and Trump kept cooperating.


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You couldn’t get shills to admit that if you tied them down and forced them to watch…

They refuse to acknowledge facts.
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Don't worry we aren't here for them, We are here for Us....

Time and life will teach them....
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they said "marked top secret". they know trump already declassified, so pathetic
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They still have to be sanitized... WTF is wrong with everyone here??? Declassifying is only ONE STEP in a multiple step procedure.
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From my military experience with classified information. There is documentation explaining how classified information is to be stored based upon classification as far as facility construction, storage medium and access control. Usually if you had a vault and custodian and the facility is rated for TS/SCI all levels of classified could be stored there with exception of USAP or SAP OR NOFORN (NATO SPECIFIC) OR NOCON (Depending upon personnel at the storage facility). Clearance does not equal access. There are emergency situations were somebody of lower clearance can access higher security levels and this is based on need to know.

For example where I was stationed, my squadron commander could not enter the facility I occupied even though he had clearance but did not have the need to know.

Classified material depending on the organization determines declassification protocols. These protocols are very specific. You just can't arbitrarily declassify material upon a whim especially if it is cryptographic in nature as a current operation maybe using that material and you would jeopardize lives and the mission. Classified material is based upon clearance, access and need to know. The safest declassification of any material is absolute destruction of the material and the ability to retrieve any residue.

All people that have access to classified material are thoroughly trained in security procedures, sign off or initial procedures and protocols. After your service, you are debriefed and sign more agreements. There is no way you can back out and say "I didn't know". Your exposure is documented. Your clearance access is documented. Your training is documented.

Many items are described in a regulatory book DOD 5200.1-R
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These docs would have fallen under NSA guidelines. Which are far more stringent than DoD. Even if he had a SCIF... more than likely the ATO was rescinded upon him leaving office. As I have mentioned before they are going to hang his ass on a technicality. Sucks and perhaps not fair but that is what will happen.

Besides that, you are correct. His clearance would have been revoked at time of leaving.
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Think logically my friend. Do past presidents discuss confidential information with current presidents…

YES.

Would they need a secure room to do so on residence?

YES

Would they likely receive and hold confidential information?

YES.

Do 5 mins of research and you will see EVERY president has this room. They all hold sensitive information.

Obama paid 30 million to block the NA from getting his documents.

This is purely a BS political move… or do we need to discuss all the fuckups made by the FBI again?

I’ll go into them for you if you’re unaware.
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Doesnt matter what OTHER presidents have done... it only matters what Trump has done. Like I said they will get him on the letter of the law...
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Hope everyone realises the morons argument if this goes to court will be he is still the sitting President and that’s his White House.
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they said "marked top secret". they know trump already declassified, so pathetic
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This is a bit like Trump as President declaring someone is not a human shooting them in the head then saying that’s not murder. The President can’t just dictate what is and isn’t sensitive material.
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The amount of twisting MAGAts are doing to justify Trump's actions is, again, staggering.

They're investigating 18 USC 793 under the Espionage Act.

Trump can make all the comparisons to Obama he likes, but its irrelevant.
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We will wait to see the documents…

It’s not like the FBI didn’t lie about a plot to kidnap the WI governor.. they also lied about hunters laptop…

Oh and Seth rich tapes…

Should I continue on all the lies…

There’s that forged fisa application too so they could spy on trump.

On and on we will go ya?
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typical defund police from the right
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Trump will NEVER be allowed to occupy the White House again. That was made abundantly clear as early as day 1 of his first administration.

It's either prison or assassination.

They don't care if they have to frame a liberal. The media can turn the person in to a hero.
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From my military experience with classified information. There is documentation explaining how classified information is to be stored based upon classification as far as facility construction, storage medium and access control. Usually if you had a vault and custodian and the facility is rated for TS/SCI all levels of classified could be stored there with exception of USAP or SAP OR NOFORN (NATO SPECIFIC) OR NOCON (Depending upon personnel at the storage facility). Clearance does not equal access. There are emergency situations were somebody of lower clearance can access higher security levels and this is based on need to know.

For example where I was stationed, my squadron commander could not enter the facility I occupied even though he had clearance but did not have the need to know.

Classified material depending on the organization determines declassification protocols. These protocols are very specific. You just can't arbitrarily declassify material upon a whim especially if it is cryptographic in nature as a current operation maybe using that material and you would jeopardize lives and the mission. Classified material is based upon clearance, access and need to know. The safest declassification of any material is absolute destruction of the material and the ability to retrieve any residue.

All people that have access to classified material are thoroughly trained in security procedures, sign off or initial procedures and protocols. After your service, you are debriefed and sign more agreements. There is no way you can back out and say "I didn't know". Your exposure is documented. Your clearance access is documented. Your training is documented.

Many items are described in a regulatory book DOD 5200.1-R
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83987844




These docs would have fallen under NSA guidelines. Which are far more stringent than DoD. Even if he had a SCIF... more than likely the ATO was rescinded upon him leaving office. As I have mentioned before they are going to hang his ass on a technicality. Sucks and perhaps not fair but that is what will happen.

Besides that, you are correct. His clearance would have been revoked at time of leaving.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 84006304


Think logically my friend. Do past presidents discuss confidential information with current presidents…

YES.

Would they need a secure room to do so on residence?

YES

Would they likely receive and hold confidential information?

YES.

Do 5 mins of research and you will see EVERY president has this room. They all hold sensitive information.

Obama paid 30 million to block the NA from getting his documents.

This is purely a BS political move… or do we need to discuss all the fuckups made by the FBI again?

I’ll go into them for you if you’re unaware.
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Doesnt matter what OTHER presidents have done... it only matters what Trump has done. Like I said they will get him on the letter of the law...
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Rules for thee, not for me…

Have some fucking integrity for fucks sake.
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The amount of twisting MAGAts are doing to justify Trump's actions is, again, staggering.

They're investigating 18 USC 793 under the Espionage Act.

Trump can make all the comparisons to Obama he likes, but its irrelevant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15977885


We will wait to see the documents…

It’s not like the FBI didn’t lie about a plot to kidnap the WI governor.. they also lied about hunters laptop…

Oh and Seth rich tapes…

Should I continue on all the lies…

There’s that forged fisa application too so they could spy on trump.

On and on we will go ya?
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typical defund police from the right
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So you’re not refuting any of those arguments just to be clear.

You accept that they happened, and you don’t care?
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Trump will NEVER be allowed to occupy the White House again. That was made abundantly clear as early as day 1 of his first administration.

It's either prison or assassination.

They don't care if they have to frame a liberal. The media can turn the person in to a hero.
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“The FBI didn’t forge a fisa application”

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He should have just kept them digitized and on server farms, which apparently is OK.
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They would have found the USB....or planted anyway.
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they said "marked top secret". they know trump already declassified, so pathetic
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This is a bit like Trump as President declaring someone is not a human shooting them in the head then saying that’s not murder. The President can’t just dictate what is and isn’t sensitive material.
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Ok… wait till Biden declassifies something in a few months and you say “this is different tho”

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