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I have an idea to help end the pro-vax narratives, but need your help.

 
FivelCubed  (OP)

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Make a 20 question covid vaccine test with undisputed sources and give people $1 for each correct answer.
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Good idea, but that would make it a bit obvious that I'm a CT and anti-vaxxer. Would have to separate that.
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I think you need to make a “montage” of the various pieces of information you want to present. And in between each “clip” you need to speak. You need to say something like, “On conspiracy forums they share story after story of healthy athletes dropping dead unexpectedly, they say doctors are “baffled” and they can’t understand that this isn’t new. (Even though it is) and then you show them a clip that has a hundred headlines of unexpected athlete deaths. Then you speak again and say “they even use the CDCs own info to try to push their anti vax agenda by finding XXX number of adverse events or deaths”. And then you show them a clip of the VAERS data.

Be sure to include papers that have links to all the info you share so they can take them home and look them up again on their own.

But if you just try to get them to watch a 2 or even 1 hour documentary, they will start walking out.
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Be careful. If you make any traction with this, and enough people start listening, you'll be "suicided", "accidented", or "disappeared".
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Yeah. I'd like to hide my identity while doing this, but it's really not possible. Oh well. Saving lives is important.
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You are wasting your time. Getting them to watch something will have no effect on them whatsoever. They are hypnotised
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I think you need to make a “montage” of the various pieces of information you want to present. And in between each “clip” you need to speak. You need to say something like, “On conspiracy forums they share story after story of healthy athletes dropping dead unexpectedly, they say doctors are “baffled” and they can’t understand that this isn’t new. (Even though it is) and then you show them a clip that has a hundred headlines of unexpected athlete deaths. Then you speak again and say “they even use the CDCs own info to try to push their anti vax agenda by finding XXX number of adverse events or deaths”. And then you show them a clip of the VAERS data.

Be sure to include papers that have links to all the info you share so they can take them home and look them up again on their own.

But if you just try to get them to watch a 2 or even 1 hour documentary, they will start walking out.
 Quoting: Sonflower17


Good call.
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Obviously this documentary: [link to librti.com (secure)]
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On reflection consider NOT having the post viewing forum. my instinct is it will only lead to trouble, probably getting you shut down after one viewing, and if a very convincing case can be made - my personal favourite is the venerable Indian doctor from South Africa who analyses the whole scam in cool, objective and informed terms - in the presentation then they would go back to their lives profoundly affected at the psychological level. The seeds would be sown. Leaving them to own any change of heart as their reasoned decision, rather than the confusion they might feel immediately after the showing, which could make them angry, and refuse the message as being too conflicting to their previous beliefs.
Set up a website where they can review the experience later - chat room for the participants.[ the British Daily Mail which is a conformist paper had acres of comments along the lines of " I always thought you anti vaxxers/ conspiracy nuts were mad, but now I've changed my mind ]
Essentially the Covid vaccine scam made people look like fools. That realisation is going to come to at least some of those watching.They will need time to come to terms with it.
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You are wasting your time. Getting them to watch something will have no effect on them whatsoever. They are hypnotised
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I've done paid focus groups. After about five minutes every is half asleep. They just want the money.
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so like a re-education camp for the brainwashed?
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The whole Pro-vaxx vs anti-vaxx should be a choice.
An informed choice.

After that, if they want to kill themselves, it's on them.
But it has to be an informed choice.
People can't make decisions based on Fear.
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Or by threat of losing their income, or their ability to travel, etc.
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so like a re-education camp for the brainwashed?
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With payment, pizza and star stickers as rewards!
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You are wasting your time. Getting them to watch something will have no effect on them whatsoever. They are hypnotised
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I've done paid focus groups. After about five minutes every is half asleep. They just want the money.
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I do worry about that. How much are people usually paid to take part?
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08/11/2022 05:25 PM
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Honest question: why do you believe they can be reasoned with? My own family, who knows my scientific background won't listen to me. They ask me OTHER questions all the time. This? Nope! It is a cult: the Branch Covidians. I believe, sadly, they are beyond help.
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A small percentage of them, at least, are going to change their views. The post-viewing discussions should give me an idea how successful the tactic will be for future viewings.
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Btw, in the intro and post-viewing discussions, I will drive home the fact that this is to defeat the anti-vaxxer claims. Which is true. If they can successfully refute anything that I currently believe, then that truly helps me and everyone else. I don't want to believe things that are untrue, so please correct me if I am wrong.

Their rabid pro-vax stances will keep them in the room. They want to claim victory over the anti-vaxxers they hate so much. They want to feel superior. I'll just be the moderator for them to hash out best refutations of this or that anti-vaxxer claim that they saw in the anti-vax video. They'll all be focused on that goal together. I'll just remain silent in the group-think portion, except to bring up claims that they should focus on refuting.

I think it will work.
 Quoting: FivelCubed

You are brave and caring. I’ve washed my hands of them. Good luck to you and watch your 6. They are vicious.
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Be careful. If you make any traction with this, and enough people start listening, you'll be "suicided", "accidented", or "disappeared".
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Yeah. I'd like to hide my identity while doing this, but it's really not possible. Oh well. Saving lives is important.
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Like an antivax Borat. Very nice!
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[link to www.bitchute.com (secure)]
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More information, and to see all the documents featured in THE PLAN, go to:

[link to www.stopworldcontrol.com (secure)]
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I'm planning on dishing out my own cash to educators, nurses and others, for them to attend a viewing of an anti-vax documentary. I will tell them, truthfully, that the reasoning behind having them watch the documentary is to prepare them for encounters with conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers. They need to understand where the claims are coming from and what the claims entail, in order to successfully refute or debate the CTs and anti-vaxxers. I think I'll have a post-viewing group discussion with them to hash out the best ways to counter the claims made in the documentary and how to deal with potential encounters of CTs/anti-vaxxers. My hope is that the documentary will cause them to actually become CTs and anti-vaxxers, so this post-viewing discussion will make it apparent to those who remain pro-vaxxers that they are slipping into a minority and have no good, logical ways to counter the anti-vax claims.

What I need from y'all is:
1. The best anti-vax documentary/video to present to them, in order to red pill them guerilla-style.
2. Ideas on how to conduct these viewings and discussions
3. What to NOT do in order to avoid failure and lawsuits
4. Other ways of sourcing finances for these viewings, since I'll basically be bribing people to attend. I don't have that much money. Maybe I can convince a city council or some other entity to fund me, in order to prepare educators and nurses for encounters with CTs?
5. Any other suggestions or ideas.

Thanks in advance.
-Fivel
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I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I'm just extremely anti-covid-vaxxer.
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I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I'm just extremely anti-covid-vaxxer.
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Same here, actually. Although I am now against any vaccinations for myself, due to the great deceptions w/ covid jab and the insane harm they've done. If pharma and the govt are as depraved as they've shown themselves to be, then they get no trust from me ever again.
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I think you need to make a “montage” of the various pieces of information you want to present. And in between each “clip” you need to speak. You need to say something like, “On conspiracy forums they share story after story of healthy athletes dropping dead unexpectedly, they say doctors are “baffled” and they can’t understand that this isn’t new. (Even though it is) and then you show them a clip that has a hundred headlines of unexpected athlete deaths. Then you speak again and say “they even use the CDCs own info to try to push their anti vax agenda by finding XXX number of adverse events or deaths”. And then you show them a clip of the VAERS data.

Be sure to include papers that have links to all the info you share so they can take them home and look them up again on their own.

But if you just try to get them to watch a 2 or even 1 hour documentary, they will start walking out.
 Quoting: Sonflower17


Nice ideas, but the whole premise is doomed to fail.
These people are already BORG.

They already vaxxed themselves, their children, their parents, and everybody elses' children, parents, and
whomever else heard the 'call'.

It's a done deal.

Not one single pro-vax individual can repeal their conviction for many reasons, not the least of which is cognitive dissonance. Probably the only thing that would
change their mind would be if they vaxxed their own kids to death, or experienced the effects themselves.
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This guy has been at it since the beginning by trying to get the message out there to as many as possible. He seems to have been able to reach many through his diligence and providing a spotlight for others as well:

[link to nojabforme.info (secure)]
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Seriously, why bother? They're brainwashed. Let them die.damned
Treat me good, I'll treat you better.
Treat me bad, I'll treat you worse.

Trump WON the 2020 election. If you believe Biden won, you're an Idiot!

If you got the vaxx, stay the fuck away from me.
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Leave me a private message here and I will respond !


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I know people who have had heart attacks as a result of the vax, but how do we prove the connection?
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People will believe what they are told to believe by those who provide their paycheck and livelihood.

Iam an R.N. I am no more or less intelligent than these medical devils pushing this BS. They know its BS. They Just dont have the intestinal fortitude to put their salary on the line to say so..

They rather mass delude themselves into thinking this is OK.

You arent going to change their minds when their paycheck/STATUS IN SOCIETY depends on believing otherwise and conforming.
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This is the "best documentary" I know: show them the IMDb page that confirms it aired in 2009 and that should blow their minds!


[link to www.bitchute.com (secure)]

The other documentaries I like were all at STOP WORLD CONTROL doc tom (reverse last letters) but they changed their page. A month ago, last time I cruised it, it was all changed. Not sure where their original videos are. With that female doctor from Eastern Europe (IIRC) who was in a small plane crash recently in Florida.

My original thread where I shared one such vid was the first time (IIRC) that I had a wildly successful pinned thread.

^THOSE ARE THE TOP OF THE LINE VERY BEST.
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And nobody ever paid attention to this thread. Was never pinned:

Thread: Belgian "Fauci" aka PLANdemic quack criminal laughs in elite summit as he EXPOSES how he conned you all!
^check it out!
I just bumped this for you. (My thread)
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the documentary will cause them to actually become CTs and anti-vaxxers
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Check out your local library. You can usually get a space and equipment to use for free or very little. They may also provide leads and advertising. Leftists love librarys. Maybe hire a drag queen to present material.
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Heh! Clever
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Honest question: why do you believe they can be reasoned with? My own family, who knows my scientific background won't listen to me. They ask me OTHER questions all the time. This? Nope! It is a cult: the Branch Covidians. I believe, sadly, they are beyond help.
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A small percentage of them, at least, are going to change their views. The post-viewing discussions should give me an idea how successful the tactic will be for future viewings.
 Quoting: FivelCubed


Btw, in the intro and post-viewing discussions, I will drive home the fact that this is to defeat the anti-vaxxer claims. Which is true. If they can successfully refute anything that I currently believe, then that truly helps me and everyone else. I don't want to believe things that are untrue, so please correct me if I am wrong.

Their rabid pro-vax stances will keep them in the room. They want to claim victory over the anti-vaxxers they hate so much. They want to feel superior. I'll just be the moderator for them to hash out best refutations of this or that anti-vaxxer claim that they saw in the anti-vax video. They'll all be focused on that goal together. I'll just remain silent in the group-think portion, except to bring up claims that they should focus on refuting.

I think it will work.
 Quoting: FivelCubed

You are brave and caring. I’ve washed my hands of them. Good luck to you and watch your 6. They are vicious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82852459


The ones that have had their health and lives destroyed by the vax will believe. Unfortunately most of their families won't even believe them.

realnotrare.com
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More information, and to see all the documents featured in THE PLAN, go to:

[link to www.stopworldcontrol.com (secure)]
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I was going to check it out, but I can't look without providing a name and email. Oh well. If they want viewers they need to make it easy access with no info given.
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I'm planning on dishing out my own cash to educators, nurses and others, for them to attend a viewing of an anti-vax documentary. I will tell them, truthfully, that the reasoning behind having them watch the documentary is to prepare them for encounters with conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers. They need to understand where the claims are coming from and what the claims entail, in order to successfully refute or debate the CTs and anti-vaxxers. I think I'll have a post-viewing group discussion with them to hash out the best ways to counter the claims made in the documentary and how to deal with potential encounters of CTs/anti-vaxxers. My hope is that the documentary will cause them to actually become CTs and anti-vaxxers, so this post-viewing discussion will make it apparent to those who remain pro-vaxxers that they are slipping into a minority and have no good, logical ways to counter the anti-vax claims.

What I need from y'all is:
1. The best anti-vax documentary/video to present to them, in order to red pill them guerilla-style.
2. Ideas on how to conduct these viewings and discussions
3. What to NOT do in order to avoid failure and lawsuits
4. Other ways of sourcing finances for these viewings, since I'll basically be bribing people to attend. I don't have that much money. Maybe I can convince a city council or some other entity to fund me, in order to prepare educators and nurses for encounters with CTs?
5. Any other suggestions or ideas.

Thanks in advance.
-Fivel
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I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I'm just extremely anti-covid-vaxxer.
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I am ANTI-VAXXER, and proud of it. And healthy.





GLP