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CITIZENSHIP 1928: How Democracy killed the War Department Training Manual, TM 2000-25

 
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CITIZENSHIP 1928: How Democracy killed the War Department Training Manual, TM 2000-25


why was Army Training Manual No. 2000-25 withdrawn by FDR?
issued by the United States War Department on November 30, 1928, The Soldiers Training Manual offered instruction on the topic of Citizenship. Its intent was to prepare soldiers that they "may be returned to civilian life better equipped as the defenders of the institutions of our Government in time of peace as well as in time of war."

a primary purpose of the manual was to impart knowledge of our republican form of government, and an understanding of the many ways it is superior to a democracy. The following definitions were published by the authority of the United States Government to differentiate between our Republic and a democracy.

republic

Authority is derived through election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles, and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences. A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.

democracy

aA government of the masses. authority is derived through mass meeting or any other form of direct expression. results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic, negating property rights. attitude toward law is that the will of the people shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation, or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demagoguery, license, agitation, discontent, and anarchy.

for reasons unknown, at the onset of the Great Depression Franklin Delano Roosevelt issued orders that all copies of Training Manual 2000-25 be withdrawn from the Government Printing Office and the Army posts, and that they be suppressed and destroyed without explanation. While this indeed occurred, several copies survived in private ownership and still change hands today.

Can anyone explain the utility of eliminating this specific citizenship training from our military?

What would the new Democrat administration have gained from this?


Army Training Manual No. 2000-25
[link to www.1215.org (secure)]

the definitions quoted in the OP are taken from pages 91 and 92 of the manual linked to above.

one problem FDR may have had with the manual, from p. 91:
"the United States set up a distinct and different form of government, the product of distinct racial stocks and centuries spent in learning the principles and art of self government." according to manual, only some people could live in a republic. theres a similar statement in the previous paragraph: "a few races qualified themselves for self government."

one thing i noticed about these definitions:they claim to describe all political systems, but they don't really describe fascism. i can understand why in 1928 no one thought to describe fascism, but by 1933 a description of fascism was becoming necessary. i also didn't think the association of democracy with communism wasn't all that useful. communism can be discussed, but call it communism, not democracy.
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we're a republic NOT a democracy
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US has already been duped by order 66. Why you think the Eastern world calls the US the Western Empire?
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US has already been duped by order 66. Why you think the Eastern world calls the US the Western Empire?
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communism disguised as democracy n the fools buy it
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Think of the years in the making to take the USA down. And all the traitors that helped along the way, who get pensions & retirements and all the benefits we pay them.
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REPUBLIC UNDER SIEGE

Today, there are two systems of law operating in America,

1) The Republic, which is the law of land.

2) Democracy or colorable law, which looks/acts like law.

The Republic:

Article 4, Sec. 4 of the Constitution states "the United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a Republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion and against domestic violence." etc. As early as 1782, Jefferson said that it was ridiculous to suppose that a man should surrender himself to the state, this would be slavery.

That’s why the Republic, with its checks/balances, provided for authority through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them. The attitude towards property respects the laws and individuals’ rights through sensible economic procedure that does not create irresponsible debt and prevents foreign domination.

Democracy:

The 1928 US Government Training Manual, No.2000-25, War Department Chief of Staff states: "A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting or any form of direct expression, results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic negating property rights. Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demagogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy."

Also, a democracy has no system of Constitutional natural rights to protect the individual from the absolute will of any voting majority, which is a small segment of the population, and they regulate laws which, without limiting laws, creates endless colorable rules and regulations in an effort to please everyone until the system is under complete government control. A democracy may grant civil rights, but in a Republic, you automatically have natural civil rights.

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several lessons manual downloads here

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Shortly after the "bank holiday" in 1933, orders from the FDR White House suddenly demanded without explanation that all copies of this book be withdrawn from the Government Printing Office and the Army posts, to be suppressed and destroyed. So began the demagogic descent of the United States and the subversion of the Constitution into Americanized National Socialism, bankruptcy and the continued state of national emergency that we have experienced as a nation
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Democracy is the biggest lie ever fed to the American people.

Know the difference between a Republic and a Democracy. The people have been conditioned for so long, they no longer question the motives of those elected to office or the powers that be.

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the United States Constitution, article 4 section 4 states: "the United States shall guarantee every state of the union a Republican form of govt". end of discussion. democracy is 3 wolves and 2 sheep voting on what to have for dinner. in a republic, the sheep and wolves first write a law that states that wolves will not be shot or trapped and sheep will not be eaten. then they sit down and vote on what to have for dinner. rule of law is supreme over the will of the majority. minorities are protected from an abusive majority. all parties are equal under the law. thats the safeguard of a republic over a democracy.
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Wow, nice dig OP. One wouldn't expect a thread like this coming from you, no offense. You've threaded some good ones lately.
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We are an autocracy ruled ny color of law.Basically admiralty law of law of the sea treaty.bump
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We are an autocracy ruled ny color of law.Basically admiralty law of law of the sea treaty.bump
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its time to get back where we once belong
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think this is pertinent to the times we're in

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CITIZENSHIP 1928: How Democracy killed the War Department Training Manual, TM 2000-25


why was Army Training Manual No. 2000-25 withdrawn by FDR?
issued by the United States War Department on November 30, 1928, The Soldiers Training Manual offered instruction on the topic of Citizenship. Its intent was to prepare soldiers that they "may be returned to civilian life better equipped as the defenders of the institutions of our Government in time of peace as well as in time of war."

a primary purpose of the manual was to impart knowledge of our republican form of government, and an understanding of the many ways it is superior to a democracy. The following definitions were published by the authority of the United States Government to differentiate between our Republic and a democracy.

republic

Authority is derived through election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles, and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences. A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.

democracy

aA government of the masses. authority is derived through mass meeting or any other form of direct expression. results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic, negating property rights. attitude toward law is that the will of the people shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation, or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demagoguery, license, agitation, discontent, and anarchy.

for reasons unknown, at the onset of the Great Depression Franklin Delano Roosevelt issued orders that all copies of Training Manual 2000-25 be withdrawn from the Government Printing Office and the Army posts, and that they be suppressed and destroyed without explanation. While this indeed occurred, several copies survived in private ownership and still change hands today.

Can anyone explain the utility of eliminating this specific citizenship training from our military?

What would the new Democrat administration have gained from this?


Army Training Manual No. 2000-25
[link to www.1215.org (secure)]

the definitions quoted in the OP are taken from pages 91 and 92 of the manual linked to above.

one problem FDR may have had with the manual, from p. 91:
"the United States set up a distinct and different form of government, the product of distinct racial stocks and centuries spent in learning the principles and art of self government." according to manual, only some people could live in a republic. theres a similar statement in the previous paragraph: "a few races qualified themselves for self government."

one thing i noticed about these definitions:they claim to describe all political systems, but they don't really describe fascism. i can understand why in 1928 no one thought to describe fascism, but by 1933 a description of fascism was becoming necessary. i also didn't think the association of democracy with communism wasn't all that useful. communism can be discussed, but call it communism, not democracy.
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You may understand why they tried to kill FDR; he was trying to become the dictator of the country. He died before he got that far, they missed when they shot at him and hit someone else. He was into all the groups trying to bring our country down, these are usurpers, they are not our government. He wasn't by himself, there were many, and don't forget he was the one who passed the law with the other democrats to make the owning of gold illegal and stole the gold wages of the people which is real and the fiat isn't, people knew it was against the constitution and also, they knew the draft to fight in WW1 was against the constitution, but they arrested people who they could not talk out of not going. They brought in the banking and Rockefeller was involved and his NWO was part of the plot.

We are still by the constitution a Republic but they have taught people we are a democracy so they don't know to fight back.
Sorry I got a headache

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CITIZENSHIP 1928: How Democracy killed the War Department Training Manual, TM 2000-25


why was Army Training Manual No. 2000-25 withdrawn by FDR?
issued by the United States War Department on November 30, 1928, The Soldiers Training Manual offered instruction on the topic of Citizenship. Its intent was to prepare soldiers that they "may be returned to civilian life better equipped as the defenders of the institutions of our Government in time of peace as well as in time of war."

a primary purpose of the manual was to impart knowledge of our republican form of government, and an understanding of the many ways it is superior to a democracy. The following definitions were published by the authority of the United States Government to differentiate between our Republic and a democracy.

republic

Authority is derived through election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles, and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences. A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.

democracy

aA government of the masses. authority is derived through mass meeting or any other form of direct expression. results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic, negating property rights. attitude toward law is that the will of the people shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation, or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demagoguery, license, agitation, discontent, and anarchy.

for reasons unknown, at the onset of the Great Depression Franklin Delano Roosevelt issued orders that all copies of Training Manual 2000-25 be withdrawn from the Government Printing Office and the Army posts, and that they be suppressed and destroyed without explanation. While this indeed occurred, several copies survived in private ownership and still change hands today.

Can anyone explain the utility of eliminating this specific citizenship training from our military?

What would the new Democrat administration have gained from this?


Army Training Manual No. 2000-25
[link to www.1215.org (secure)]

the definitions quoted in the OP are taken from pages 91 and 92 of the manual linked to above.

one problem FDR may have had with the manual, from p. 91:
"the United States set up a distinct and different form of government, the product of distinct racial stocks and centuries spent in learning the principles and art of self government." according to manual, only some people could live in a republic. theres a similar statement in the previous paragraph: "a few races qualified themselves for self government."

one thing i noticed about these definitions:they claim to describe all political systems, but they don't really describe fascism. i can understand why in 1928 no one thought to describe fascism, but by 1933 a description of fascism was becoming necessary. i also didn't think the association of democracy with communism wasn't all that useful. communism can be discussed, but call it communism, not democracy.
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We had a Republic in my parish some time ago as designed by one Arthur Griffith.

Oh well as dear od M15, MI6, Israeli do as thou wilt...

I do now and have always wearied of that English spake eorld of old Venice.
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CITIZENSHIP 1928: How Democracy killed the War Department Training Manual, TM 2000-25


why was Army Training Manual No. 2000-25 withdrawn by FDR?
issued by the United States War Department on November 30, 1928, The Soldiers Training Manual offered instruction on the topic of Citizenship. Its intent was to prepare soldiers that they "may be returned to civilian life better equipped as the defenders of the institutions of our Government in time of peace as well as in time of war."

a primary purpose of the manual was to impart knowledge of our republican form of government, and an understanding of the many ways it is superior to a democracy. The following definitions were published by the authority of the United States Government to differentiate between our Republic and a democracy.

republic

Authority is derived through election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles, and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences. A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.

democracy

aA government of the masses. authority is derived through mass meeting or any other form of direct expression. results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic, negating property rights. attitude toward law is that the will of the people shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation, or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demagoguery, license, agitation, discontent, and anarchy.

for reasons unknown, at the onset of the Great Depression Franklin Delano Roosevelt issued orders that all copies of Training Manual 2000-25 be withdrawn from the Government Printing Office and the Army posts, and that they be suppressed and destroyed without explanation. While this indeed occurred, several copies survived in private ownership and still change hands today.

Can anyone explain the utility of eliminating this specific citizenship training from our military?

What would the new Democrat administration have gained from this?


Army Training Manual No. 2000-25
[link to www.1215.org (secure)]

the definitions quoted in the OP are taken from pages 91 and 92 of the manual linked to above.

one problem FDR may have had with the manual, from p. 91:
"the United States set up a distinct and different form of government, the product of distinct racial stocks and centuries spent in learning the principles and art of self government." according to manual, only some people could live in a republic. theres a similar statement in the previous paragraph: "a few races qualified themselves for self government."

one thing i noticed about these definitions:they claim to describe all political systems, but they don't really describe fascism. i can understand why in 1928 no one thought to describe fascism, but by 1933 a description of fascism was becoming necessary. i also didn't think the association of democracy with communism wasn't all that useful. communism can be discussed, but call it communism, not democracy.
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Pages 12 and 13
#25 - No Dual Allegiance
Any man that says he's an America, but something else also, isn't an American at all.
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A must see:

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a must see indeed

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CITIZENSHIP 1928: How Democracy killed the War Department Training Manual, TM 2000-25


why was Army Training Manual No. 2000-25 withdrawn by FDR?
issued by the United States War Department on November 30, 1928, The Soldiers Training Manual offered instruction on the topic of Citizenship. Its intent was to prepare soldiers that they "may be returned to civilian life better equipped as the defenders of the institutions of our Government in time of peace as well as in time of war."

a primary purpose of the manual was to impart knowledge of our republican form of government, and an understanding of the many ways it is superior to a democracy. The following definitions were published by the authority of the United States Government to differentiate between our Republic and a democracy.

republic

Authority is derived through election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles, and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences. A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.

democracy

aA government of the masses. authority is derived through mass meeting or any other form of direct expression. results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic, negating property rights. attitude toward law is that the will of the people shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation, or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demagoguery, license, agitation, discontent, and anarchy.

for reasons unknown, at the onset of the Great Depression Franklin Delano Roosevelt issued orders that all copies of Training Manual 2000-25 be withdrawn from the Government Printing Office and the Army posts, and that they be suppressed and destroyed without explanation. While this indeed occurred, several copies survived in private ownership and still change hands today.

Can anyone explain the utility of eliminating this specific citizenship training from our military?

What would the new Democrat administration have gained from this?


Army Training Manual No. 2000-25
[link to www.1215.org (secure)]

the definitions quoted in the OP are taken from pages 91 and 92 of the manual linked to above.

one problem FDR may have had with the manual, from p. 91:
"the United States set up a distinct and different form of government, the product of distinct racial stocks and centuries spent in learning the principles and art of self government." according to manual, only some people could live in a republic. theres a similar statement in the previous paragraph: "a few races qualified themselves for self government."

one thing i noticed about these definitions:they claim to describe all political systems, but they don't really describe fascism. i can understand why in 1928 no one thought to describe fascism, but by 1933 a description of fascism was becoming necessary. i also didn't think the association of democracy with communism wasn't all that useful. communism can be discussed, but call it communism, not democracy.
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


You may understand why they tried to kill FDR; he was trying to become the dictator of the country. He died before he got that far, they missed when they shot at him and hit someone else. He was into all the groups trying to bring our country down, these are usurpers, they are not our government. He wasn't by himself, there were many, and don't forget he was the one who passed the law with the other democrats to make the owning of gold illegal and stole the gold wages of the people which is real and the fiat isn't, people knew it was against the constitution and also, they knew the draft to fight in WW1 was against the constitution, but they arrested people who they could not talk out of not going. They brought in the banking and Rockefeller was involved and his NWO was part of the plot.

We are still by the constitution a Republic but they have taught people we are a democracy so they don't know to fight back.
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sums it up
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why was Army Training Manual No. 2000-25 withdrawn by FDR?
issued by the United States War Department on November 30, 1928, The Soldiers Training Manual offered instruction on the topic of Citizenship. Its intent was to prepare soldiers that they "may be returned to civilian life better equipped as the defenders of the institutions of our Government in time of peace as well as in time of war."

a primary purpose of the manual was to impart knowledge of our republican form of government, and an understanding of the many ways it is superior to a democracy. The following definitions were published by the authority of the United States Government to differentiate between our Republic and a democracy.

republic

Authority is derived through election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles, and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences. A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.

democracy

aA government of the masses. authority is derived through mass meeting or any other form of direct expression. results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic, negating property rights. attitude toward law is that the will of the people shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation, or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demagoguery, license, agitation, discontent, and anarchy.

for reasons unknown, at the onset of the Great Depression Franklin Delano Roosevelt issued orders that all copies of Training Manual 2000-25 be withdrawn from the Government Printing Office and the Army posts, and that they be suppressed and destroyed without explanation. While this indeed occurred, several copies survived in private ownership and still change hands today.

Can anyone explain the utility of eliminating this specific citizenship training from our military?

What would the new Democrat administration have gained from this?


Army Training Manual No. 2000-25
[link to www.1215.org (secure)]

the definitions quoted in the OP are taken from pages 91 and 92 of the manual linked to above.

one problem FDR may have had with the manual, from p. 91:
"the United States set up a distinct and different form of government, the product of distinct racial stocks and centuries spent in learning the principles and art of self government." according to manual, only some people could live in a republic. theres a similar statement in the previous paragraph: "a few races qualified themselves for self government."

one thing i noticed about these definitions:they claim to describe all political systems, but they don't really describe fascism. i can understand why in 1928 no one thought to describe fascism, but by 1933 a description of fascism was becoming necessary. i also didn't think the association of democracy with communism wasn't all that useful. communism can be discussed, but call it communism, not democracy.
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Pages 12 and 13
#25 - No Dual Allegiance
Any man that says he's an America, but something else also, isn't an American at all.
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and 2/3rds of congress got dual citizenship
political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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A must see:

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That place old Benjamin lived in old London Town had some skeleton buried in flooring long since old Ben departed.
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US has already been duped by order 66. Why you think the Eastern world calls the US the Western Empire?
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Banking Empire is what it really is, this happened to a small group of people, all over the world, they pick the US dollar as the global currency and they made us the police of the world which kill our sons and now daughters. Yes, it was to destroy our republic but they are just Washington usurpers and thieves, they are the state department who takes orders from the group that calls themselves the CFR which I found out was really the world congress who were told around the late 1800s or very early 1900s they were to dismantle their congress and get it off our shores, so they open in DC and change themselves to the Cancel of Foreign Relations which is the UN arm, got it, this is against our country and we are not beholden to the UN in any way, everyone in the UN members is criminals of their countries. All you have to do is go watch movies before and after WW2, then and only then will you realize what has happened to the world with them pushing these wars it was a takeover, this is the real ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT and it has been doing more and more to put the people of this world into chains.

These are nasty sick vile evil people involved in this, the bankers are behind the military-industrial complex, who else has the money to do this? They have stolen people's real wages, and labor and treated the American people as slaves, since their start of this. The top Freemasons by the time this started had already become worshipers of lucifer or Satan. They have links to all these wars and the banking system they OKed when Wilson went to ask his supreme leader in the Freemason Temple in DC, if it was the thing to do, of course, he told him to do it. Wilson before he died said it was the worst mistake he ever made, well yes, they knew his weaknesses.

During the early 1920s, they hired graduate students to rewrite the history of the US. You know the ones who needed money to pay for their education did this, others refused, and their books these people who would not do it had their books attacked.
Then they started in the heavier and more prominent cities to change the way schools taught. They also went after the culture of the time due to teaching children to call their parents by their given name instead of mother and father or mom and dad. DEWEY did this, as he said, give me the children for 10 years and they will do and act as I tell them. All this was the being, it didn't reach the countryside or poor states but it did in the coastal cities where a large number of populations lived. The dummying down of the American population was in high gear. So, this is to say they are still using the government school system, DO NOT ALLOW YOUR CHILDREN TO LEARN FROM THE STATE!
Sorry I got a headache

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As a by the way there dear ol Phenn as I have been on here since you were knee high to a grasshopper.

I do wish you as you seem to post from a fem point of view.

Just cool it there baby and try not to be so vulgar as you seem to wont to be.

Olden am I of course but I do remember that femmine.

Not meant in a mean way there now Phenn but a woman is a woman and olden men prefer a gal in a dress who spake in that which was in old Walton when there was bed-room speak, kitchen-speak and bathroom-speak.

This perhaps is what is so wrong in America/our world as being polite as we twerk is just not the done thing.

My regards there Phenn and anight Johnboy and Little house on your prarie. hf
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When Trump signed order declaring COVID a federal emergency, FEMA assigned military officers to over see all US courts.

COURTS OF LAW HAVE BEEN SUSPENDED! that's why the day the Supreme court was to rule on whether this was actually a federal emergy, was the day the George Floyd riots began.

these criminal military THUGS have HIJACKED OUT COUNTRY and they staged silly fake George Floyd riots to pre empt and divert your attention from the sleight of hand.

fucking ridiculous, the world is full of evil insane 'antifa' raped boys and psycho blacks, they are all like this crazy bitch in this clip who tries to help the monster

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We are an autocracy ruled ny color of law.Basically admiralty law of law of the sea treaty.bump
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its time to get back where we once belong
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True and not true sez this old republican as our politician whore have now no fear of the true republican


I could go om but some of those republicans I have known did cast me w cocked eybrow as those folk thought me intense not to mention some sort of clown who wore a tin-foil hat.

Do forgive, forgive as I wore that little cappin just so long ago.
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Everything in life will start with a firs step. Sean Tracey had no idea of what woud happen in his country or his parish but Sean made a first step and as we may well figure of that first step a terrible beauty was yet to be born.
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we're a republic NOT a democracy
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Lets go Brandon!!

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US has already been duped by order 66. Why you think the Eastern world calls the US the Western Empire?
butthurt9
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Banking Empire is what it really is, this happened to a small group of people, all over the world, they pick the US dollar as the global currency and they made us the police of the world which kill our sons and now daughters. Yes, it was to destroy our republic but they are just Washington usurpers and thieves, they are the state department who takes orders from the group that calls themselves the CFR which I found out was really the world congress who were told around the late 1800s or very early 1900s they were to dismantle their congress and get it off our shores, so they open in DC and change themselves to the Cancel of Foreign Relations which is the UN arm, got it, this is against our country and we are not beholden to the UN in any way, everyone in the UN members is criminals of their countries. All you have to do is go watch movies before and after WW2, then and only then will you realize what has happened to the world with them pushing these wars it was a takeover, this is the real ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT and it has been doing more and more to put the people of this world into chains.

These are nasty sick vile evil people involved in this, the bankers are behind the military-industrial complex, who else has the money to do this? They have stolen people's real wages, and labor and treated the American people as slaves, since their start of this. The top Freemasons by the time this started had already become worshipers of lucifer or Satan. They have links to all these wars and the banking system they OKed when Wilson went to ask his supreme leader in the Freemason Temple in DC, if it was the thing to do, of course, he told him to do it. Wilson before he died said it was the worst mistake he ever made, well yes, they knew his weaknesses.

During the early 1920s, they hired graduate students to rewrite the history of the US. You know the ones who needed money to pay for their education did this, others refused, and their books these people who would not do it had their books attacked.
Then they started in the heavier and more prominent cities to change the way schools taught. They also went after the culture of the time due to teaching children to call their parents by their given name instead of mother and father or mom and dad. DEWEY did this, as he said, give me the children for 10 years and they will do and act as I tell them. All this was the being, it didn't reach the countryside or poor states but it did in the coastal cities where a large number of populations lived. The dummying down of the American population was in high gear. So, this is to say they are still using the government school system, DO NOT ALLOW YOUR CHILDREN TO LEARN FROM THE STATE!
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they can shove their new world order. its treason. punishable by death
political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.





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