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I just found out today that one of the side effects of taking statins is muscle mass loss....heh, and I have been wondering for over a half a year why my muscle mass has significantly reduced.

Now, my cardio PA - a lovely lady - has told me I'll be on statins the rest of my life, that I could possibly get off of the BP med, but not the statin.

Now that I have a good idea of why I've had this muscle loss, I'm going off of it....fuck me, it's making me physically weak, and I can't have that.

And I don't doubt it's due to the statins, because looking back I can certainly see the correlational between beginning the statin, and the onset of the muscle loss.

Lawdy, and my simvastatin dose was recently increased, too....gaah

I made an appt today to see my cardio PA about going off of it, but I know a bit of a fight is going to happen. She and I have already discussed it. She's insistent I'm going to be on it the rest of my life. I'm hoping youse guyses can give me some answers, and I can avoid a confrontation with her.


So, my questions are--


Is this a drug I should cut back on slowly, over time? Or can I just stop it cold turkey?

I don't want to throw my body into any kind of a crisis.

If you've taken statins, has it reduced your muscle mass?

If you went off the statins, were you able to rebuild the muscles?.....it's not a permanent thing, right?


And please don't rip me a new asshole for even starting to take it. I was told to take them for a long time, but refused, until I had a massive heart attack, and then I coalesced. The heart attack scared the pee welling hell right outta me.

Also so you know, I did recently have a full and complete cardio workup done, including being in the cath lab. My heart is good to go. I have only one tiny artery that is 50% occluded, the stent that was put in with the heart attack is in perfect condition, and all the rest of my arteries are open and running freely.

BECAUSE my last blood test showed my cholesterol had risen, I'm questioning exactly what roll cholesterol has in clogging arteries....heh, it sure seems to me that they'd be in a lot worse shape than they are, given my cholesterol increase was shocking enough to raise the dose, eh?

Thank you for any responses....and yes, I know when a post is genuine or not, so don't no one have a concern about that, okay?
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Don't go on them things just change your diet. My mother went on them years ago and it didn't end well.
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I hate to ask but how much fish oil? I have 200 mg epa/dha says 4 daily. Should I take just that amount or did you take extra.
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I take only one omega 3 200 a day. My dr recommends one gram a day, but I have only been taking one capsule a day.
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The thing about Omega 3's is that one of those omegas cause inflammation. That's just something I've read a number of times on GLP, and I really have to watch my rate of inflammation.

I'm just going to get cod liver oil, and be done with it.
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omega 6
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Luckily, I became aware that statins scramble the brain well before the health care practitioner told me I 'had' (as a preventative) for at least a year following a stent. I took the first one in the hospital under the watch of the nurse but faked it for the rest of the year and after that I told them I would not take it.

The practitioners are trained monkeys who spout the same wording about the products they sell for the pharmaceutical industry.

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This is a good, informative thread. I just had to quit Repatha due to the side effects, so any good alternative is appreciated.

As to giving up carbs, just thought I'd throw this in to eat a little healthier. Penne pasta made from chickpeas. I was very happily surprised it was actually kinda good.

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Statins killed my mother. NEVER take that shit. It will ruin your heart fast without Qoq10. All you need is 1000 Mg Niacin B3 FLUSH. Took my mom off that shit and she did much better with the Niacin. They lowered their guide lines from 300 to 200 to sell more of the shitty worthless statin LIE drugs.
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Doc started me on generic simvistatin, I took the first one and an hour later I was throwing up yesterday's breakfast. Should've raised a huge red flag for me.

From then on it was Lipitor until the numbers were almost zero, doc insisted I keep taking it.

At the time I started the pill, I was in a job where I had to process numbers and math equations. I gradually began to notice I no longer knew how to do my job. I made stupid mistakes that were caught farther up the line. After a few months I couldn't handle simple math in my head.

This is on top of the energy and muscle problems discussed earlier.

Now the docs just want to chalk it all up to aging and connective tissue disease.

@cosmicgypsy ... Curious about your respiratory problem, does the name begin with "Alpha.."?
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Doc started me on generic simvistatin, I took the first one and an hour later I was throwing up yesterday's breakfast. Should've raised a huge red flag for me.

From then on it was Lipitor until the numbers were almost zero, doc insisted I keep taking it.

At the time I started the pill, I was in a job where I had to process numbers and math equations. I gradually began to notice I no longer knew how to do my job. I made stupid mistakes that were caught farther up the line. After a few months I couldn't handle simple math in my head.

This is on top of the energy and muscle problems discussed earlier.

Now the docs just want to chalk it all up to aging and connective tissue disease.

@cosmicgypsy ... Curious about your respiratory problem, does the name begin with "Alpha.."?
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Just the other day I was on the phone with a friend, I was trying to figure some math thing out in my head, but just couldn't. I had to get my f'n calculator. I told my friend that I didn't know what was going on that I couldn't visualize mathematics in my head like I used to be able to do. I could do whole math equations in my head before this....ya know, see them like written out on a chalk board in my mind's eye. My chalk board is gone.

I'm not sure what type of interstial lung disease it is. My insurance denied the CT scan the pulmonologist ordered that would've revealed the type....nice, huh?

I've got something incurable going on, so let's cut her off....charlie

I was given a long list of lab work to get done, but I know all of that has been done before, and I have no autoimmune disease. I might go ahead and get the blood work done sometime soon, but osteoarthritis is the only thing I have going on. The only other reason aside an autoimmune disease causing the lung disease is genetics.

I mean, the only autoimmune disease I might have is chronic fatigue syndrom, but the test for that is expensive. I treat that with supplements quite effectively....or so I've been thinking.
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Your Littlepixie was wandering through her favorites looking for something else and came across this one and I immediately thought Cosmicgypsy and this thread.

Thread: Easily and rapidly remove arterial plaque and end most heart disease. Nobel laureate Linus Pauling --Vit C and Lysine dissolves plaque - VIDEO
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Type in Statins, mitochondria, and pubmed;
There is a reason muscles go into atrophy;

The real underlying problem is chronic scurvey;
Type in Linus Pauling, Lysine, Vitamin C;
He won a nobel prize for his work;

I take 2 grams of Vitamin C and 2 grams of Lysine daily;

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Cholesterol is absolutely necessary for repair.
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One day we will have a statin scandal like we've had an opiod scandal. Someone in big pharma will pay out the ass.
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I’ve started L-lysine 600mg and vitamin C 2000mg twice a day. Opened up all the blood vessels nicely just like Linus Pauling said. The first few times I started it strange little memories floated up as areas of the brain where opening. Definitely a keeper.
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Clogged arteries are due to arterial scarring which mostly comes from aluminum found in table salt or other spices which are kept from caking by aluminum particles.

It is why salt was thought to cause heart attacks and raise blood pressure when the culprit was not the salt, but what came with trojan-horsed with it.

Check into what else causes scarring like smoking, sulfites, processed sugar, etc.

Cholesterol has nothing to do with anything at all.
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I’ve started L-lysine 600mg and vitamin C 2000mg twice a day. Opened up all the blood vessels nicely just like Linus Pauling said. The first few times I started it strange little memories floated up as areas of the brain where opening. Definitely a keeper.
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This is VERY interesting. For years I lived with pain in both shoulders and limited range of movement; I couldn't lift anything over my head. Last week I started 750mg of L-leucine, and I swear my shoulders are nearly back to normal. It's almost a miracle.
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A cardiologist I went to years ago told me I really needed them. This was based off a single un-contrasted MRI... no previous MRIs. He said no matter what other measures I took he would still insist on statins... So I told him GOODBYE.

Later on another one told in a much less demanding way that he thought I should take them, so I gave his way a try. I was never able to take any statins. They would suck every ounce of energy out of me and I would crash and burn for most of the day. Tried three different types all were a no go. Each time I immediately felt great within 2 days of stopping.

The doctor then said... well I guess your cholesterol is not that high... 180
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They're so funny, like....rimshot


I only take three pharma drugs, but it's soon going to be two. The simvastatin, losartin (BP med), and a muscle relaxer. I take all of these at night before bed, so I don't know if the statin makes me lethargic....but now that you've mentioned it, I think that was why I was taken off that other statin, because something was sucking the life outta me. The beta blocker was having me feeling like I was HAVING a heart attack....hiding

I have noticed a change in my brain, though, but I don't know how to explain that, except I don't like it. It's just different from before. I thought it was just because I was getting older, but perhaps it's because the cholesterol is being stripped away, and it'll get better after I go off of it. I hope so.


Thank you for your reply, lovey....send
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You are welcome.

BTW I take Losartan as well. Just 25mg/day, but if I could ever get my act together, I'd dump it. So many painful memories of what my Mom went through... good doctors and bad, but you never know which ones you are going to get. Long story, perhaps I'll continue later.
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Doc started me on generic simvistatin, I took the first one and an hour later I was throwing up yesterday's breakfast. Should've raised a huge red flag for me.

From then on it was Lipitor until the numbers were almost zero, doc insisted I keep taking it.

At the time I started the pill, I was in a job where I had to process numbers and math equations. I gradually began to notice I no longer knew how to do my job. I made stupid mistakes that were caught farther up the line. After a few months I couldn't handle simple math in my head.

This is on top of the energy and muscle problems discussed earlier.

Now the docs just want to chalk it all up to aging and connective tissue disease.

@cosmicgypsy ... Curious about your respiratory problem, does the name begin with "Alpha.."?
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Just the other day I was on the phone with a friend, I was trying to figure some math thing out in my head, but just couldn't. I had to get my f'n calculator. I told my friend that I didn't know what was going on that I couldn't visualize mathematics in my head like I used to be able to do. I could do whole math equations in my head before this....ya know, see them like written out on a chalk board in my mind's eye. My chalk board is gone.

I'm not sure what type of interstial lung disease it is. My insurance denied the CT scan the pulmonologist ordered that would've revealed the type....nice, huh?

I've got something incurable going on, so let's cut her off....charlie

I was given a long list of lab work to get done, but I know all of that has been done before, and I have no autoimmune disease. I might go ahead and get the blood work done sometime soon, but osteoarthritis is the only thing I have going on. The only other reason aside an autoimmune disease causing the lung disease is genetics.

I mean, the only autoimmune disease I might have is chronic fatigue syndrom, but the test for that is expensive. I treat that with supplements quite effectively....or so I've been thinking.
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As I mentioned in my previous post on this thread regarding statins, the following is not medical advice, and I am not a physician; these are simply personal anecdotes - just covering six, as they say. Anyway:

On a radio program almost twenty years ago, I heard the late Prof. Donald Scott (author of two books on the subject of biowarfare and how it relates to modern diseases, The Extremely Unfortunate Skull Valley Incident and The Brucellosis Triangle), mention that the supplement MSM will cure CFS. Having suffered from it for several years, I gave it a try. After the initial herx from hell due to critter die-off, I got steadily better over the next 6 months until had no symptoms whatsoever. Since then, I’ve found that extreme stress will bring on symptoms again, but my taking a course of MSM stops it cold (the little buggers never really leave you, apparently).

On another subject, the Linus Pauling protocol for removing arterial deposits has seemed to work for me, as well. Given Pauling’s discoveries, it of course uses vitamin C, along with lysine and proline. This site has info in it:

[link to www.paulingtherapy.com]
Best of health to you, Cosmic Gypsy! hf
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Cod Liver oil? I was thinking the same and this was recommended to me. The taste is a little funny at first but now its AOK. Just a suggestion for you.

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A cardiologist I went to years ago told me I really needed them. This was based off a single un-contrasted MRI... no previous MRIs. He said no matter what other measures I took he would still insist on statins... So I told him GOODBYE.

Later on another one told in a much less demanding way that he thought I should take them, so I gave his way a try. I was never able to take any statins. They would suck every ounce of energy out of me and I would crash and burn for most of the day. Tried three different types all were a no go. Each time I immediately felt great within 2 days of stopping.

The doctor then said... well I guess your cholesterol is not that high... 180
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They're so funny, like....rimshot


I only take three pharma drugs, but it's soon going to be two. The simvastatin, losartin (BP med), and a muscle relaxer. I take all of these at night before bed, so I don't know if the statin makes me lethargic....but now that you've mentioned it, I think that was why I was taken off that other statin, because something was sucking the life outta me. The beta blocker was having me feeling like I was HAVING a heart attack....hiding

I have noticed a change in my brain, though, but I don't know how to explain that, except I don't like it. It's just different from before. I thought it was just because I was getting older, but perhaps it's because the cholesterol is being stripped away, and it'll get better after I go off of it. I hope so.


Thank you for your reply, lovey....send
 Quoting: cosmicgypsy


You are welcome.

BTW I take Losartan as well. Just 25mg/day, but if I could ever get my act together, I'd dump it. So many painful memories of what my Mom went through... good doctors and bad, but you never know which ones you are going to get. Long story, perhaps I'll continue later.
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Yeah, I'd like to get off the losartin too, but my dose recently did need to be upped. I get very, very cranky when my BP is running wild....and that's me being nice about how "cranky" I can get.

I'd have to quit smoking and exercise more in order to get off of that, but if I have to take a BP med, then I love-love losartin. I think the last time I had my BP taken it was 119/68....really nice reading. Harhar, I get all proud when my BP is low....chuckle

After the heart attack the cardiac surgeon took me off of losartin, and put me on three different drugs that just about whooped my white and shiny heinie. Heh, I was so thrilled that day I got a cardiac person to put me back on losartin.

My current PCP doc, an Internist, is a big ole pain, but he's just being thorough....and he's having to be patient, because I can't stand all the tests he's having me take, I get some kind of bad news, and I just simply back off.

I'm at one of those points now. I could finally have the colonoscopy done....a year after me first asking him to do it - because of his thoroughness, and my intermittently balking at all the tests, it's taken a whole year - but I'm so tired of it all, I just can't force myself to go see him to get an appointment. The idea of my having another procedure in the hospital makes me want to toss my cookies. I am not comfortable in hospitals. I'm very nice and respectful while there, but I don't like going there.

I think I've just arrived to the point where I don't care how sick I'm supposedly supposed to be, and I just want to live....ya know, I just want to be happy.

And I am happy, because my spirit is sooo holding me up!....hf
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Doc started me on generic simvistatin, I took the first one and an hour later I was throwing up yesterday's breakfast. Should've raised a huge red flag for me.

From then on it was Lipitor until the numbers were almost zero, doc insisted I keep taking it.

At the time I started the pill, I was in a job where I had to process numbers and math equations. I gradually began to notice I no longer knew how to do my job. I made stupid mistakes that were caught farther up the line. After a few months I couldn't handle simple math in my head.

This is on top of the energy and muscle problems discussed earlier.

Now the docs just want to chalk it all up to aging and connective tissue disease.

@cosmicgypsy ... Curious about your respiratory problem, does the name begin with "Alpha.."?
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Just the other day I was on the phone with a friend, I was trying to figure some math thing out in my head, but just couldn't. I had to get my f'n calculator. I told my friend that I didn't know what was going on that I couldn't visualize mathematics in my head like I used to be able to do. I could do whole math equations in my head before this....ya know, see them like written out on a chalk board in my mind's eye. My chalk board is gone.

I'm not sure what type of interstial lung disease it is. My insurance denied the CT scan the pulmonologist ordered that would've revealed the type....nice, huh?

I've got something incurable going on, so let's cut her off....charlie

I was given a long list of lab work to get done, but I know all of that has been done before, and I have no autoimmune disease. I might go ahead and get the blood work done sometime soon, but osteoarthritis is the only thing I have going on. The only other reason aside an autoimmune disease causing the lung disease is genetics.

I mean, the only autoimmune disease I might have is chronic fatigue syndrom, but the test for that is expensive. I treat that with supplements quite effectively....or so I've been thinking.
 Quoting: cosmicgypsy


As I mentioned in my previous post on this thread regarding statins, the following is not medical advice, and I am not a physician; these are simply personal anecdotes - just covering six, as they say. Anyway:

On a radio program almost twenty years ago, I heard the late Prof. Donald Scott (author of two books on the subject of biowarfare and how it relates to modern diseases, The Extremely Unfortunate Skull Valley Incident and The Brucellosis Triangle), mention that the supplement MSM will cure CFS. Having suffered from it for several years, I gave it a try. After the initial herx from hell due to critter die-off, I got steadily better over the next 6 months until had no symptoms whatsoever. Since then, I’ve found that extreme stress will bring on symptoms again, but my taking a course of MSM stops it cold (the little buggers never really leave you, apparently).

On another subject, the Linus Pauling protocol for removing arterial deposits has seemed to work for me, as well. Given Pauling’s discoveries, it of course uses vitamin C, along with lysine and proline. This site has info in it:

[link to www.paulingtherapy.com]
Best of health to you, Cosmic Gypsy! hf
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Ahhh, that must be why I got a big ole nudge from my guidance to get MSM. I've been taking that for about two years now.

Before that the COQ10 and a high dose sublingual B12 tab (methylcobalamin) whipped me right back into shape. Before that I was getting B12 shots, which is painful. I was so glad to find the high dose B12, and the person who told me it was just as effective as the shot, and it was. No more bruised up hips for me.

And ya know, I'm really happy you said that about MSM, because I'm having to juggle my monies in order to get everything that keeps me moving, and I was thinking about dropping the MSM. Heh, I'm not going to drop it now. I was regretting that choice anyway, and wasn't sure.

The supplements are very important to and for me. They're a big part of what makes it so I can be happy.

It's not that expensive anyway, so I'm going to reorder it next week when I place my order.

I am very excited to get the niacin and Vit C w/lysine, and to put them to work for my body....hf

And I did go ahead and just went off the statin. It's been two days without it, so I'm not sure if what I felt this morning can be attributed to it, but I did feel kinda like I was walking out of a fog, or just starting to.

I want to get my brain back to its "steel trap" nature, and I really want more of my muscle structure back.

Happy day to you, lovey....flower
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I left statins very early, barely used them. Body did not like. I drink goats milk, eat red meat. I eat more veggies, herbs, nuts, smoothies. I supplement. Trying to make improvements, a definite work with a lot of progress to make.
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Clogged arteries are due to arterial scarring which mostly comes from aluminum found in table salt or other spices which are kept from caking by aluminum particles.

It is why salt was thought to cause heart attacks and raise blood pressure when the culprit was not the salt, but what came with trojan-horsed with it.

Check into what else causes scarring like smoking, sulfites, processed sugar, etc.

Cholesterol has nothing to do with anything at all.
 Quoting: The_Meridian


I agree.

my mom went off statins, no cardiac issues ensued. Except her doctor got upset.


my husband went off statins (he had been put them before we met.)

no cardiac problems ensued.

Rhabdomyelosis or muscle deterioration - often due to prescription drugs - is a bad thing.

Statins interfere with fats needed by the brain and nerve sheaths. I wish they had not been on these drugs for years.
My mother developed Alzheimer's.
He developed Parkinson's.

I would refuse any statin.

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Cod Liver oil? I was thinking the same and this was recommended to me. The taste is a little funny at first but now its AOK. Just a suggestion for you.

[link to nutridyn.com (secure)]

the oil supplements you can buy in stores is not of this quality. Hope you figure it out.
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Unfortunately lovey, I have financially reached my max for supplements. I've hit the wall. As it is, someone else sometimes has to help me out with getting all that I need. Some of the supps I take are not cheap, and I'm doing the very best I can.

This is what I'm ordering, and it's going to have to do, at least for now--

[link to www.vitacost.com (secure)]

--it's $30 less, and will last much longer.


But thank you so very much for looking out for me. My heart to yours, lovey....send
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Stop taking those evil pills! Ho could turkey. They are designed to put healthy people into nursing homes!
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I’ve been around several people who started on prescriptions and, it seems, all that happens is that they are prescribed more and more medications. It just seemed to me that side effects of one medication just led to additional prescriptions.
Around 2000, my Dr. said I had high cholesterol and prescribed a statin. After one dose, it gave me pins and needles on the back top of my head. I stopped taking it, but, didn’t tell my Dr. because of the pill pile on that I’d seen happen with other folks. Then, ten years latter, it was re-prescribed and the exact same thing happened. I think one of the side effects I got from the statins was bad short term memory. The only pills I regularly take these days is multi-vitamin/multi-mineral tablets.
My suggestion would be to try to get on the keto diet, look into regularly taking plant based multi-vitamin/multi-mineral tablets, and look into taking vitamin D3 at 10k IU (mobilizes calcium into the blood) and vitamin K2-MK7 at 100 mcg (deposits mobilized calcium in the blood into the bones and teeth).
Do a search on youtube for “Dr Berg cholesterol”.
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I left statins very early, barely used them. Body did not like. I drink goats milk, eat red meat. I eat more veggies, herbs, nuts, smoothies. I supplement. Trying to make improvements, a definite work with a lot of progress to make.
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I make a smoothie nearly every single morning. Cashew milk, plain high probiotic yogurt, lots of berries, collagen powder, colloidal silver, and allulose or maca fruit to sweeten....all organic. I'm thinking about adding this purple plant tincture to that, too. Gotta see how it tastes first. I ordered that when the monkeypox crap started, just in case, but was pleasantly surprised at all it can do, so I'm going to see about incorporating that into my smoothie.

I take my probiotics with it, most of my other supplements too, and I think all of that is just about the healthiest thing I do for myself....heh, it's just about a sacred thing, my drinking my smoothie in the morning. I do love-love 'em.


And yes, it's a hella lotta work changing the diet. For me, I have to push back on old favorites. Sometimes, I can't....heh, a nasty bout with ulcerative colitis helped with me getting over the "I can'ts" though, heh. I don't eat the things that aren't good for me as much anymore....heh, I thought for sure the antibiotics they put me on for it were going to kill me. I had an energy worker friend working with me everyday, lifting my poor body up, while on those antibiotics. Freaking nearly sucked the life right out of me!

I've been eating more fish and shrimp, and of course vegies. Much less sugar, almost zero sugar, and very little anything with gluten in it. Beef doesn't sit well in my tummy....but Swiss Bacon Cheeseburgers are just about my favorite....heh, my mouth is watering just writing that.

Lawdy....you see? YOU SEE what I have to push back against? The mighty cheeseburger!....lmfao
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Clogged arteries are due to arterial scarring which mostly comes from aluminum found in table salt or other spices which are kept from caking by aluminum particles.

It is why salt was thought to cause heart attacks and raise blood pressure when the culprit was not the salt, but what came with trojan-horsed with it.

Check into what else causes scarring like smoking, sulfites, processed sugar, etc.

Cholesterol has nothing to do with anything at all.
 Quoting: The_Meridian


I agree.

my mom went off statins, no cardiac issues ensued. Except her doctor got upset.


my husband went off statins (he had been put them before we met.)

no cardiac problems ensued.

Rhabdomyelosis or muscle deterioration - often due to prescription drugs - is a bad thing.

Statins interfere with fats needed by the brain and nerve sheaths. I wish they had not been on these drugs for years.
My mother developed Alzheimer's.
He developed Parkinson's.

I would refuse any statin.
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I'm finished with it, sister. My recent stint in the cath lab showed that all my arteries are open, save for one little one....heh, so why did I need to be put on a higher dose statin?

I didn't. It's just protocol, but one I'm not participating in any longer.

And I know Melinda is going to crap a brick when I tell her, but I have enough information now to back up taking myself off of it. There's nothing she's going to be able to say to me to get me back on it.

sigh....I hate having to say this, but I hope I haven't done any permanent damage to my brain or my muscles taking this drug....verysad

The heart attack really had me scared though, ya know?....tissue

Heh, my expanded self is soothing me right now....hugs I do love me.

I'm gong to be okay-fine!....flower
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I’ve learned over the years how to cure just about everything. In fact, how to avoid getting “it” in the first place.

Don’t go to Doctors, and certainly stay away from their alchemy. If not, you’ll get “it” every time.
Within the surreal depths of "reality" lies the truth.
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SUDDENLY everyone has a cholesterol problem. We made it all those years, and suddenly, we discover that GOD or Evilution made a mistake and screwed up on Cholesterol. BullShit.
They tried over and over to get me to take statins but I just tell them NO. It's almost as big a scam as the Federal Reserve, but not as big as the Jab.
Your brain needs the cholesterol and probably your whole body needs cholesterol.
Once a co-worker got off the phone at lunchtime and was crying because her doctor said her cholesterol was too high. She was eating celery and carrots for snacks on breaks. There wasn't an ounce of fat on her. I said Fuck that.
I saw an ambulance take the old lady that lived across my street to the hospital. She weighed about 85lb and her severe fat free diet had caused her intestines to bind up.
I don't trust the medical community for the Truth about anything, because they really don't know.
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Seriously, I've been eating better than I have my entire life. A massive heart attack and 11 bowel obstructions will do that for a soul....heh, it'll whip ya right up into shape (or so I thought).

I take all kinds of awesome supplements.

But I didn't and don't understand this sugar level raise, unless it's the statin....I mean, I've really been beside myself about it. It was so not understandable until just now.

I've even cut back quite a bit on my smoking cigs....thank gawd for the patches.
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Sorry to hear of your health struggles.

Statins can cause massive weight gain and knee problems. Statins raise your blood sugar. My doctor keeps trying to put me on them and I tell him no way. You can get your numbers down naturally by eating grapefruit, taking red rice yeast supplements and L-arginine.
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Doc started me on generic simvistatin, I took the first one and an hour later I was throwing up yesterday's breakfast. Should've raised a huge red flag for me.

From then on it was Lipitor until the numbers were almost zero, doc insisted I keep taking it.

At the time I started the pill, I was in a job where I had to process numbers and math equations. I gradually began to notice I no longer knew how to do my job. I made stupid mistakes that were caught farther up the line. After a few months I couldn't handle simple math in my head.

This is on top of the energy and muscle problems discussed earlier.

Now the docs just want to chalk it all up to aging and connective tissue disease.

@cosmicgypsy ... Curious about your respiratory problem, does the name begin with "Alpha.."?
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Just the other day I was on the phone with a friend, I was trying to figure some math thing out in my head, but just couldn't. I had to get my f'n calculator. I told my friend that I didn't know what was going on that I couldn't visualize mathematics in my head like I used to be able to do. I could do whole math equations in my head before this....ya know, see them like written out on a chalk board in my mind's eye. My chalk board is gone.

I'm not sure what type of interstial lung disease it is. My insurance denied the CT scan the pulmonologist ordered that would've revealed the type....nice, huh?

I've got something incurable going on, so let's cut her off....charlie

I was given a long list of lab work to get done, but I know all of that has been done before, and I have no autoimmune disease. I might go ahead and get the blood work done sometime soon, but osteoarthritis is the only thing I have going on. The only other reason aside an autoimmune disease causing the lung disease is genetics.

I mean, the only autoimmune disease I might have is chronic fatigue syndrom, but the test for that is expensive. I treat that with supplements quite effectively....or so I've been thinking.
 Quoting: cosmicgypsy


As I mentioned in my previous post on this thread regarding statins, the following is not medical advice, and I am not a physician; these are simply personal anecdotes - just covering six, as they say. Anyway:

On a radio program almost twenty years ago, I heard the late Prof. Donald Scott (author of two books on the subject of biowarfare and how it relates to modern diseases, The Extremely Unfortunate Skull Valley Incident and The Brucellosis Triangle), mention that the supplement MSM will cure CFS. Having suffered from it for several years, I gave it a try. After the initial herx from hell due to critter die-off, I got steadily better over the next 6 months until had no symptoms whatsoever. Since then, I’ve found that extreme stress will bring on symptoms again, but my taking a course of MSM stops it cold (the little buggers never really leave you, apparently).

On another subject, the Linus Pauling protocol for removing arterial deposits has seemed to work for me, as well. Given Pauling’s discoveries, it of course uses vitamin C, along with lysine and proline. This site has info in it:

[link to www.paulingtherapy.com]
Best of health to you, Cosmic Gypsy! hf
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Ahhh, that must be why I got a big ole nudge from my guidance to get MSM. I've been taking that for about two years now.

Before that the COQ10 and a high dose sublingual B12 tab (methylcobalamin) whipped me right back into shape. Before that I was getting B12 shots, which is painful. I was so glad to find the high dose B12, and the person who told me it was just as effective as the shot, and it was. No more bruised up hips for me.

And ya know, I'm really happy you said that about MSM, because I'm having to juggle my monies in order to get everything that keeps me moving, and I was thinking about dropping the MSM. Heh, I'm not going to drop it now. I was regretting that choice anyway, and wasn't sure.

The supplements are very important to and for me. They're a big part of what makes it so I can be happy.

It's not that expensive anyway, so I'm going to reorder it next week when I place my order.

I am very excited to get the niacin and Vit C w/lysine, and to put them to work for my body....hf

And I did go ahead and just went off the statin. It's been two days without it, so I'm not sure if what I felt this morning can be attributed to it, but I did feel kinda like I was walking out of a fog, or just starting to.

I want to get my brain back to its "steel trap" nature, and I really want more of my muscle structure back.

Happy day to you, lovey....flower
 Quoting: cosmicgypsy


Thank you so much! Glad to hear that you have a second witness to the MSM - it worked wonders for me.

You know, in all my time here, I’ve never had anyone respond to the information I provided as kindly and nicely as you have... I’ve always tried to be of help where I could, but it usually seems to fall on deaf ears, judging from the responses I get - or more properly, don’t get. You made me very happy by both your responses, and I greatly appreciate it! Will keep you in my prayers.

Best of health to you!

Goofy Thum
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Just the other day I was on the phone with a friend, I was trying to figure some math thing out in my head, but just couldn't. I had to get my f'n calculator. I told my friend that I didn't know what was going on that I couldn't visualize mathematics in my head like I used to be able to do. I could do whole math equations in my head before this....ya know, see them like written out on a chalk board in my mind's eye. My chalk board is gone.

I'm not sure what type of interstial lung disease it is. My insurance denied the CT scan the pulmonologist ordered that would've revealed the type....nice, huh?

I've got something incurable going on, so let's cut her off....charlie

I was given a long list of lab work to get done, but I know all of that has been done before, and I have no autoimmune disease. I might go ahead and get the blood work done sometime soon, but osteoarthritis is the only thing I have going on. The only other reason aside an autoimmune disease causing the lung disease is genetics.

I mean, the only autoimmune disease I might have is chronic fatigue syndrom, but the test for that is expensive. I treat that with supplements quite effectively....or so I've been thinking.
 Quoting: cosmicgypsy


As I mentioned in my previous post on this thread regarding statins, the following is not medical advice, and I am not a physician; these are simply personal anecdotes - just covering six, as they say. Anyway:

On a radio program almost twenty years ago, I heard the late Prof. Donald Scott (author of two books on the subject of biowarfare and how it relates to modern diseases, The Extremely Unfortunate Skull Valley Incident and The Brucellosis Triangle), mention that the supplement MSM will cure CFS. Having suffered from it for several years, I gave it a try. After the initial herx from hell due to critter die-off, I got steadily better over the next 6 months until had no symptoms whatsoever. Since then, I’ve found that extreme stress will bring on symptoms again, but my taking a course of MSM stops it cold (the little buggers never really leave you, apparently).

On another subject, the Linus Pauling protocol for removing arterial deposits has seemed to work for me, as well. Given Pauling’s discoveries, it of course uses vitamin C, along with lysine and proline. This site has info in it:

[link to www.paulingtherapy.com]
Best of health to you, Cosmic Gypsy! hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83964553



Ahhh, that must be why I got a big ole nudge from my guidance to get MSM. I've been taking that for about two years now.

Before that the COQ10 and a high dose sublingual B12 tab (methylcobalamin) whipped me right back into shape. Before that I was getting B12 shots, which is painful. I was so glad to find the high dose B12, and the person who told me it was just as effective as the shot, and it was. No more bruised up hips for me.

And ya know, I'm really happy you said that about MSM, because I'm having to juggle my monies in order to get everything that keeps me moving, and I was thinking about dropping the MSM. Heh, I'm not going to drop it now. I was regretting that choice anyway, and wasn't sure.

The supplements are very important to and for me. They're a big part of what makes it so I can be happy.

It's not that expensive anyway, so I'm going to reorder it next week when I place my order.

I am very excited to get the niacin and Vit C w/lysine, and to put them to work for my body....hf

And I did go ahead and just went off the statin. It's been two days without it, so I'm not sure if what I felt this morning can be attributed to it, but I did feel kinda like I was walking out of a fog, or just starting to.

I want to get my brain back to its "steel trap" nature, and I really want more of my muscle structure back.

Happy day to you, lovey....flower
 Quoting: cosmicgypsy


Thank you so much! Glad to hear that you have a second witness to the MSM - it worked wonders for me.

You know, in all my time here, I’ve never had anyone respond to the information I provided as kindly and nicely as you have... I’ve always tried to be of help where I could, but it usually seems to fall on deaf ears, judging from the responses I get - or more properly, don’t get. You made me very happy by both your responses, and I greatly appreciate it! Will keep you in my prayers.

Best of health to you!

Goofy Thum
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Awwwa, I think we're all in this together, and I find it hard to ignore anyone....especially when I've asked for help.

Best of health to you, and to all of us....hf

And thank you for keeping me in your prayers. I swear, those of you praying and intending for my good health have so lifted me up!

I do feel youse guyses who are lovin' on me this way, and I appreciate it so much....it's part of what is keeping me keeping on down the road of life!

Heh, my vision just skewed, and I saw all the kind energies around me....youse guyses are the ones who sent them to me. They are always with me now.

I've had people reach out to me in PM asking me how they might help....there are so many kind people here.

I do love-love all of youse guyses for all you have done for me....know this, okay?


curtsy
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