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I have found that 95% of the human race are untrustworthy and ignorant.

So, don't surround yourself with anyone other than a handful of trust worthy friends.
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hot shower shampoo whole body fresh clothes glass of milk with strawberry sirup,...
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These kids can't tolerate the idea that there is no Participation Trophy for them in life.

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Surround yourself with good people… Surround yourself with those who lift you up… Surround yourself with those who have your back…

The kids these days (I’m 56 so those 20+ years younger than me) post these memes all the time as they speak of their struggles and depression. And I can’t help but think how narcissistic these phrases are, and how they push the idea that we can’t be whole unless we are surrounded by people. Never is the idea expressed that they should step out of themselves and help others, it’s always about others doing for them, and it’s being accepted as wise advice and a good idea.

People who can’t spend time alone, those who need to have others around all the time, just never seem to grow up. It’s as though they enter adulthood looking for a parent or a savior, and when these figments of a broken reality don’t do just as they expect, making them feel good about themselves, then they are hurt, angry, and more depressed than ever.

Where have the ideas of figuring out your own strengths and talents gone? No one outside of you is going to give you that, no person knows what your special reason for being here is, so the whole idea of surrounding yourself is just another broad path leading you away from yourself, and the reasons you even exist. Giving others so much power over your emotions, your feelings of worth and belonging, is a short road to failure. Not to mention, putting your weight on others while you feel entitled to have them lift you up is selfish and narcissistic.

I don’t get it. If you can’t be alone, and have to be surrounded by others all the time to feel complete, you’re not gonna make it. You just become a drain on everyone in your sphere. Instead of surrounding yourself, you should be separating yourself and figuring out who you are, and what you could potentially do to help the world, instead of waiting for the world to lift you up.

/end rant
 Quoting: Turtle Flower


I enjoy both, being alone and with people. Back in the day, I used to hitch a ride all over the country alone except when in a ride. It's powerful to have the idea that you can handle whatever comes the next day. Faith comes in many forms. Faith in ones self is empowering and everlasting. When comfortable with yourself it's easier to be around others when you choose to. If you need nothing from others then they cannot disappoint you either.
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while you are partly right, the reason that my generation is so depressed is because they take TOO MUCH responsibility. They should be blaming the world more, not less, they should be more courageous in speaking up about their ideals, more aggressive, not less. It is the only way we can usher in a new world that isn't scary, but takes the best of every dualism.

So, instead of taking your frustrations to a forum where other boomers will only reply along the lines of 'oh yea this generation is f*cked, brainwashed retards', be honest about which specific person is triggering you, and talk to them! Real change comes from surrender, not resistance.

We're humans too you know, inside us is exactly the same essence perceiving it all. Not that different at all.
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I am a loner. People who interest me are very creative or highly intelligent so the conversations are informational and about subjects other than self. I am kind though, and because of it...

I seem to attract people who need other people desperately and who have a ton of issues they want to talk about. My neighbor will work two jobs, 70 hour week, and then come straight to my house to talk until she's too exhausted to do anything but fall in bed fully dressed. Poor hygiene, poor diet, zero self-betterment... and I don't know how to help her grow out of that. She's nearly 40!

How can I help these "friends" who show no interest in me or what I'm doing, grow up and get their own lives?

I've tried lots of hugs, "how was your day" conversations, but it never gets past that. They want to stay in that zone where the attention is on them all the time.

I have wondered if it comes from being ignored as a child - but I'm not like that and I basically raised myself. I wondered if it was physical abuse, but I went through hell on that front too, and still prefer to be alone.

If you are that needy person - please tell me - what helps you get out of yourself and interested in life? What inspires you to be productive? What makes you feel confident and want to take care of yourself, eat well, etc?

How can I "wake up" my friends who hang out and talk while I work my butt off feeding them. What will make them "see" others and pitch in to help?
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Haha I recognize a lot of myself in your story; I too am that person that is the one that is there for people and deals with my own shit alone and like it that way. This is why I don't feel offended by the OP or the comments at all. I merely want to offer the idea that young people might not be 'crazy', which is just too easy and unintelligent of an explanation for me.

Regarding your question about how to deal with those people who 'need' you and come to you complaining about stuff but never changing. I'd like to offer the following insight:

Maybe you are invested in an idea of 'kindness' and 'politeness' and see yourself as such, but another way to look at it is that you are ignorant of what they actually need and are wasting their time and your own energy. You are living in a comfortable illusion that another being, another consciousness ultimately just as intricate as yours (despite being less 'intelligent'), 'needs' you. The fact that you are putting double quotes around "friends" tells me that you don't perceive them that way, but are instead keeping them in the illusion that you are, which ultimately, is a comfortable power position, instead of a meaningful and loving bond based on equality.

Because I hear you wanting to take responsibility for this situation and move towards greater love, is my urgent suggestion for you to re-align with your identity of kindness and either don't treat friends as friends and let them go (kindness doesn't equal weakness!), or otherwise take action that DOES change the homeostasis! (weird idea; copy THEIR behavior instead of waiting for them to copy yours. You might be surprised what you find out ;))

Best of luck.
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Thank you for the insight. I agree I need to rethink my so-called kindness, especially since it doesn't work.

I can't, with a clear conscience, mimic the behavior of my neighbor(s). And I don't think I can tell her to get over herself and think about someone else for a change. It would validate her already drama-attack tendency.

I do care how she is and don't want her to be sad and depressed. But I would rather see her grow and become stronger. I would rather have a two-way friendship.

Perhaps that is not possible with this type of person. Perhaps it is best to be honest and let her go find her own kind. Maybe it's time for ME to grow up and tell her I can't help her and to find someone else who can.
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Surround yourself with good people… Surround yourself with those who lift you up… Surround yourself with those who have your back…

The kids these days (I’m 56 so those 20+ years younger than me) post these memes all the time as they speak of their struggles and depression. And I can’t help but think how narcissistic these phrases are, and how they push the idea that we can’t be whole unless we are surrounded by people. Never is the idea expressed that they should step out of themselves and help others, it’s always about others doing for them, and it’s being accepted as wise advice and a good idea.

People who can’t spend time alone, those who need to have others around all the time, just never seem to grow up. It’s as though they enter adulthood looking for a parent or a savior, and when these figments of a broken reality don’t do just as they expect, making them feel good about themselves, then they are hurt, angry, and more depressed than ever.

Where have the ideas of figuring out your own strengths and talents gone? No one outside of you is going to give you that, no person knows what your special reason for being here is, so the whole idea of surrounding yourself is just another broad path leading you away from yourself, and the reasons you even exist. Giving others so much power over your emotions, your feelings of worth and belonging, is a short road to failure. Not to mention, putting your weight on others while you feel entitled to have them lift you up is selfish and narcissistic.

I don’t get it. If you can’t be alone, and have to be surrounded by others all the time to feel complete, you’re not gonna make it. You just become a drain on everyone in your sphere. Instead of surrounding yourself, you should be separating yourself and figuring out who you are, and what you could potentially do to help the world, instead of waiting for the world to lift you up.

/end rant
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Surround yourself with yourself.
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figur(e) out your own strengths and talents
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Surround yourself with good people… Surround yourself with those who lift you up… Surround yourself with those who have your back…

The kids these days (I’m 56 so those 20+ years younger than me) post these memes all the time as they speak of their struggles and depression. And I can’t help but think how narcissistic these phrases are, and how they push the idea that we can’t be whole unless we are surrounded by people. Never is the idea expressed that they should step out of themselves and help others, it’s always about others doing for them, and it’s being accepted as wise advice and a good idea.

People who can’t spend time alone, those who need to have others around all the time, just never seem to grow up. It’s as though they enter adulthood looking for a parent or a savior, and when these figments of a broken reality don’t do just as they expect, making them feel good about themselves, then they are hurt, angry, and more depressed than ever.

Where have the ideas of figuring out your own strengths and talents gone? No one outside of you is going to give you that, no person knows what your special reason for being here is, so the whole idea of surrounding yourself is just another broad path leading you away from yourself, and the reasons you even exist. Giving others so much power over your emotions, your feelings of worth and belonging, is a short road to failure. Not to mention, putting your weight on others while you feel entitled to have them lift you up is selfish and narcissistic.

I don’t get it. If you can’t be alone, and have to be surrounded by others all the time to feel complete, you’re not gonna make it. You just become a drain on everyone in your sphere. Instead of surrounding yourself, you should be separating yourself and figuring out who you are, and what you could potentially do to help the world, instead of waiting for the world to lift you up.

/end rant
 Quoting: Turtle Flower



Very good post! I’ve been having similar conversations with those in my personal life. Not only about being strong/confident to find happiness on our own, but also not giving our power away feeling that something outside of us can make us be more happy. I would love to have so much money I’d never have to work again, however, I don’t need that to be happy.

I believe this whole topic you bring up is in relation to stripping people (without them knowing) of their personal power. When we believe something else or someone else is the cause of our happiness/hurt, we will always be looking outside and away, instead of inside.

Another thing, slightly tied to this topic. Think about how many topics are structured such that they create emotional responses. The emotional responses help to keep those people from analyzing facts, and instead follow the emotion. Then you pair that with the idea that happiness/hurt comes from something other than us, and it’s a recipe for many people to load and depressed.

All we can do is teach those who haven’t fallen into the trap or the ones who are waking up from the traps.

Thanks OP and good luck
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Surround yourself with good people… Surround yourself with those who lift you up… Surround yourself with those who have your back…

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Surround yourself with good people… Surround yourself with those who lift you up… Surround yourself with those who have your back…

The kids these days (I’m 56 so those 20+ years younger than me) post these memes all the time as they speak of their struggles and depression. And I can’t help but think how narcissistic these phrases are, and how they push the idea that we can’t be whole unless we are surrounded by people. Never is the idea expressed that they should step out of themselves and help others, it’s always about others doing for them, and it’s being accepted as wise advice and a good idea.

People who can’t spend time alone, those who need to have others around all the time, just never seem to grow up. It’s as though they enter adulthood looking for a parent or a savior, and when these figments of a broken reality don’t do just as they expect, making them feel good about themselves, then they are hurt, angry, and more depressed than ever.

Where have the ideas of figuring out your own strengths and talents gone? No one outside of you is going to give you that, no person knows what your special reason for being here is, so the whole idea of surrounding yourself is just another broad path leading you away from yourself, and the reasons you even exist. Giving others so much power over your emotions, your feelings of worth and belonging, is a short road to failure. Not to mention, putting your weight on others while you feel entitled to have them lift you up is selfish and narcissistic.

I don’t get it. If you can’t be alone, and have to be surrounded by others all the time to feel complete, you’re not gonna make it. You just become a drain on everyone in your sphere. Instead of surrounding yourself, you should be separating yourself and figuring out who you are, and what you could potentially do to help the world, instead of waiting for the world to lift you up.

/end rant
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Do they tell people things like that in stead of surround yourself with truth.

That'll drive your enemies away, and then you can make peace with whoever is left.

It may be no one, but at least it will be true.
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Do they tell people things like that in stead of surround yourself with truth.

That'll drive your enemies away, and then you can make peace with whoever is left.

It may be no one, but at least it will be true.
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It's a balance. When I was a young female, I couldn't stand to be alone. Aloneness seemed like failure. Now at 70, I put up with people as I await my time alone again, like a nectar.
Both are true. We cannot survive alone if the s hits. We have to be comfortable with ourselves, but being isolated makes you a victim.

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Surround yourself with good people… Surround yourself with those who lift you up… Surround yourself with those who have your back…

The kids these days (I’m 56 so those 20+ years younger than me) post these memes all the time as they speak of their struggles and depression. And I can’t help but think how narcissistic these phrases are, and how they push the idea that we can’t be whole unless we are surrounded by people. Never is the idea expressed that they should step out of themselves and help others, it’s always about others doing for them, and it’s being accepted as wise advice and a good idea.

People who can’t spend time alone, those who need to have others around all the time, just never seem to grow up. It’s as though they enter adulthood looking for a parent or a savior, and when these figments of a broken reality don’t do just as they expect, making them feel good about themselves, then they are hurt, angry, and more depressed than ever.

Where have the ideas of figuring out your own strengths and talents gone? No one outside of you is going to give you that, no person knows what your special reason for being here is, so the whole idea of surrounding yourself is just another broad path leading you away from yourself, and the reasons you even exist. Giving others so much power over your emotions, your feelings of worth and belonging, is a short road to failure. Not to mention, putting your weight on others while you feel entitled to have them lift you up is selfish and narcissistic.

I don’t get it. If you can’t be alone, and have to be surrounded by others all the time to feel complete, you’re not gonna make it. You just become a drain on everyone in your sphere. Instead of surrounding yourself, you should be separating yourself and figuring out who you are, and what you could potentially do to help the world, instead of waiting for the world to lift you up.

/end rant
 Quoting: Turtle Flower


I always been a loner and when I was young peoples were asking what was wrong with me for liking being alone ?

I think it's the other way around, what's wrong with YOU for wanting to always be with others ?

It's like they require other peoples validation for everything they do.
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Yes! Exactly flower
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So happy to hear I'm not the only one feeling this.

Hey OP.

Can I send this to my ex-wife?

You're spot on her personality and most of Western Society.
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As parents, it's ok to let your child see you down or sad, if it is resolved quickly. Living in a depressed state around your family will cause them stress and unhappiness too...So if you are not happy, fake it around your family if you have to...
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Don't surround yourself with libs and Dems!! Other than that just make sure they've got a little silver on their belt.
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Surround yourself with good people… Surround yourself with those who lift you up… Surround yourself with those who have your back…

The kids these days (I’m 56 so those 20+ years younger than me) post these memes all the time as they speak of their struggles and depression. And I can’t help but think how narcissistic these phrases are, and how they push the idea that we can’t be whole unless we are surrounded by people. Never is the idea expressed that they should step out of themselves and help others, it’s always about others doing for them, and it’s being accepted as wise advice and a good idea.

People who can’t spend time alone, those who need to have others around all the time, just never seem to grow up. It’s as though they enter adulthood looking for a parent or a savior, and when these figments of a broken reality don’t do just as they expect, making them feel good about themselves, then they are hurt, angry, and more depressed than ever.

Where have the ideas of figuring out your own strengths and talents gone? No one outside of you is going to give you that, no person knows what your special reason for being here is, so the whole idea of surrounding yourself is just another broad path leading you away from yourself, and the reasons you even exist. Giving others so much power over your emotions, your feelings of worth and belonging, is a short road to failure. Not to mention, putting your weight on others while you feel entitled to have them lift you up is selfish and narcissistic.

I don’t get it. If you can’t be alone, and have to be surrounded by others all the time to feel complete, you’re not gonna make it. You just become a drain on everyone in your sphere. Instead of surrounding yourself, you should be separating yourself and figuring out who you are, and what you could potentially do to help the world, instead of waiting for the world to lift you up.

/end rant
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Don't surround yourself with libs and Dems!! Other than that just make sure they've got a little silver on their belt.
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Surround yourself with good people… Surround yourself with those who lift you up… Surround yourself with those who have your back…

The kids these days (I’m 56 so those 20+ years younger than me) post these memes all the time as they speak of their struggles and depression. And I can’t help but think how narcissistic these phrases are, and how they push the idea that we can’t be whole unless we are surrounded by people. Never is the idea expressed that they should step out of themselves and help others, it’s always about others doing for them, and it’s being accepted as wise advice and a good idea.

People who can’t spend time alone, those who need to have others around all the time, just never seem to grow up. It’s as though they enter adulthood looking for a parent or a savior, and when these figments of a broken reality don’t do just as they expect, making them feel good about themselves, then they are hurt, angry, and more depressed than ever.

Where have the ideas of figuring out your own strengths and talents gone? No one outside of you is going to give you that, no person knows what your special reason for being here is, so the whole idea of surrounding yourself is just another broad path leading you away from yourself, and the reasons you even exist. Giving others so much power over your emotions, your feelings of worth and belonging, is a short road to failure. Not to mention, putting your weight on others while you feel entitled to have them lift you up is selfish and narcissistic.

I don’t get it. If you can’t be alone, and have to be surrounded by others all the time to feel complete, you’re not gonna make it. You just become a drain on everyone in your sphere. Instead of surrounding yourself, you should be separating yourself and figuring out who you are, and what you could potentially do to help the world, instead of waiting for the world to lift you up.

/end rant
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Pillows and puppies and kittens?
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Sorry to post and run, y'all flower

Had to go do things and found my phone banned :(
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I love loneliness. Actually, I don't need any people around, except my kids.
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That's like saying you like to get burned, when you mean that you like the weather to be hot...

Isolation is pleasurable to me as well, but not loneliness...
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solitude is the term i prefer.
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That's accurate, but generally one must isolate themselves in order to obtain solitude...
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As parents, it's ok to let your child see you down or sad, if it is resolved quickly. Living in a depressed state around your family will cause them stress and unhappiness too...So if you are not happy, fake it around your family if you have to...
 Quoting: BRIEF


This is very true. It spreads like a disease. Many traits do. Unhealthy eating habits spread. Smoking spreads. Dislike of education spreads. Soon, nothing but misery.
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It's our moral obligation to show them the way to live, simply by observation...So that they too can build and enjoy a happy live...
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I’m trying.
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They will pick up on and appreciate the effort, for their benefit...
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