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| Turtle Flower
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| Nickel sized hail
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| a follower of the way
User ID: 4803585 United States08/03/2022 08:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Surround yourself with good people… Surround yourself with those who lift you up… Surround yourself with those who have your back… Quoting: Turtle Flower The kids these days (I’m 56 so those 20+ years younger than me) post these memes all the time as they speak of their struggles and depression. And I can’t help but think how narcissistic these phrases are, and how they push the idea that we can’t be whole unless we are surrounded by people. Never is the idea expressed that they should step out of themselves and help others, it’s always about others doing for them, and it’s being accepted as wise advice and a good idea. People who can’t spend time alone, those who need to have others around all the time, just never seem to grow up. It’s as though they enter adulthood looking for a parent or a savior, and when these figments of a broken reality don’t do just as they expect, making them feel good about themselves, then they are hurt, angry, and more depressed than ever. Where have the ideas of figuring out your own strengths and talents gone? No one outside of you is going to give you that, no person knows what your special reason for being here is, so the whole idea of surrounding yourself is just another broad path leading you away from yourself, and the reasons you even exist. Giving others so much power over your emotions, your feelings of worth and belonging, is a short road to failure. Not to mention, putting your weight on others while you feel entitled to have them lift you up is selfish and narcissistic. I don’t get it. If you can’t be alone, and have to be surrounded by others all the time to feel complete, you’re not gonna make it. You just become a drain on everyone in your sphere. Instead of surrounding yourself, you should be separating yourself and figuring out who you are, and what you could potentially do to help the world, instead of waiting for the world to lift you up. /end rant Well said and 100% true!  |
| Turtle Flower
(OP) User ID: 83943521 United States08/03/2022 08:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't surround yourself with libs and Dems!! Other than that just make sure they've got a little silver on their belt. Quoting: Nickel sized hail Interestingly enough, it's usually young liberals I see posting these memes. "In order to arrive at what you are not, You must go through the way in which you are not." -TS Eliot [link to www.turtlesvoice.com] Momma Said Write A Book About It - New novel [link to www.amazon.com (secure)] [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79180373 United States08/03/2022 08:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I like the fact that I'm forced to be alone now... with my selves... Me and my alters talk all the time and they are all parts of me so... We appear alone to the eyes of others, but we are not... and yet we are.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 81674768  Canada08/03/2022 08:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Surround yourself with good people… Surround yourself with those who lift you up… Surround yourself with those who have your back… Quoting: Turtle Flower The kids these days (I’m 56 so those 20+ years younger than me) post these memes all the time as they speak of their struggles and depression. And I can’t help but think how narcissistic these phrases are, and how they push the idea that we can’t be whole unless we are surrounded by people. Never is the idea expressed that they should step out of themselves and help others, it’s always about others doing for them, and it’s being accepted as wise advice and a good idea. People who can’t spend time alone, those who need to have others around all the time, just never seem to grow up. It’s as though they enter adulthood looking for a parent or a savior, and when these figments of a broken reality don’t do just as they expect, making them feel good about themselves, then they are hurt, angry, and more depressed than ever. Where have the ideas of figuring out your own strengths and talents gone? No one outside of you is going to give you that, no person knows what your special reason for being here is, so the whole idea of surrounding yourself is just another broad path leading you away from yourself, and the reasons you even exist. Giving others so much power over your emotions, your feelings of worth and belonging, is a short road to failure. Not to mention, putting your weight on others while you feel entitled to have them lift you up is selfish and narcissistic. I don’t get it. If you can’t be alone, and have to be surrounded by others all the time to feel complete, you’re not gonna make it. You just become a drain on everyone in your sphere. Instead of surrounding yourself, you should be separating yourself and figuring out who you are, and what you could potentially do to help the world, instead of waiting for the world to lift you up. /end rant I always been a loner and when I was young peoples were asking what was wrong with me for liking being alone ? I think it's the other way around, what's wrong with YOU for wanting to always be with others ? It's like they require other peoples validation for everything they do. Something I learn over the years, I'm 50 now, is don't live your life according to other peoples expectation of you. |
| hollyavila
User ID: 81929631 United States08/03/2022 08:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's a balance. When I was a young female, I couldn't stand to be alone. Aloneness seemed like failure. Now at 70, I put up with people as I await my time alone again, like a nectar. Both are true. We cannot survive alone if the s hits. We have to be comfortable with ourselves, but being isolated makes you a victim. |
| Turtle Flower
(OP) User ID: 83943521 United States08/03/2022 08:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Surround yourself with good people… Surround yourself with those who lift you up… Surround yourself with those who have your back… Quoting: Turtle Flower The kids these days (I’m 56 so those 20+ years younger than me) post these memes all the time as they speak of their struggles and depression. And I can’t help but think how narcissistic these phrases are, and how they push the idea that we can’t be whole unless we are surrounded by people. Never is the idea expressed that they should step out of themselves and help others, it’s always about others doing for them, and it’s being accepted as wise advice and a good idea. People who can’t spend time alone, those who need to have others around all the time, just never seem to grow up. It’s as though they enter adulthood looking for a parent or a savior, and when these figments of a broken reality don’t do just as they expect, making them feel good about themselves, then they are hurt, angry, and more depressed than ever. Where have the ideas of figuring out your own strengths and talents gone? No one outside of you is going to give you that, no person knows what your special reason for being here is, so the whole idea of surrounding yourself is just another broad path leading you away from yourself, and the reasons you even exist. Giving others so much power over your emotions, your feelings of worth and belonging, is a short road to failure. Not to mention, putting your weight on others while you feel entitled to have them lift you up is selfish and narcissistic. I don’t get it. If you can’t be alone, and have to be surrounded by others all the time to feel complete, you’re not gonna make it. You just become a drain on everyone in your sphere. Instead of surrounding yourself, you should be separating yourself and figuring out who you are, and what you could potentially do to help the world, instead of waiting for the world to lift you up. /end rant I always been a loner and when I was young peoples were asking what was wrong with me for liking being alone ? I think it's the other way around, what's wrong with YOU for wanting to always be with others ? It's like they require other peoples validation for everything they do. Yes! Exactly  "In order to arrive at what you are not, You must go through the way in which you are not." -TS Eliot [link to www.turtlesvoice.com] Momma Said Write A Book About It - New novel [link to www.amazon.com (secure)] [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] |
| Texas Patriot User ID: 76599363 United States08/03/2022 08:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83955920  Bosnia and Herzegovina08/03/2022 08:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, instead of taking your frustrations to a forum where other boomers will only reply along the lines of 'oh yea this generation is f*cked, brainwashed retards', be honest about which specific person is triggering you, and talk to them! Real change comes from surrender, not resistance. We're humans too you know, inside us is exactly the same essence perceiving it all. Not that different at all. |
| Cleolotus
User ID: 83038232  New Zealand08/03/2022 08:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is an interesting dynamic we have with our young people. Never in the Human Race have people been seemingly more connected than ever before largely due to the Internet. However, while working for a Crisis Hotline what I witnessed was loneliness and quiet desperation. The online bullying is rampant and unless you are a tough cookie you can go down easily - it is relentless. You can have 500 Friends onlne but in actuality you may not have any "real friends" who you can be honest with and confide in. I feel very sad for this generation because it is a very Narcisstic one by Design. From very young children have learnt to "strike a pose" "take a selfie" "put on a Filter" and "show only their Best Life" It is making them miserable and depressed at best and suicidal at worst. So Sad. |
| Turtle Flower
(OP) User ID: 83943521 United States08/03/2022 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | while you are partly right, the reason that my generation is so depressed is because they take TOO MUCH responsibility. They should be blaming the world more, not less, they should be more courageous in speaking up about their ideals, more aggressive, not less. It is the only way we can usher in a new world that isn't scary, but takes the best of every dualism. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83955920 So, instead of taking your frustrations to a forum where other boomers will only reply along the lines of 'oh yea this generation is f*cked, brainwashed retards', be honest about which specific person is triggering you, and talk to them! Real change comes from surrender, not resistance. We're humans too you know, inside us is exactly the same essence perceiving it all. Not that different at all. I actually have a lot of empathy for your generation, and I feel the reason you're so depressed is because of vaccine damage. Y'all are the first generation to get 70 plus vaccines before you become an adult, and the damage is pretty obvious to those who haven't suffered as you have. I have no animosity toward any of you kids, just wish you could heal the damage and find your strengths. I find it all very sad. "In order to arrive at what you are not, You must go through the way in which you are not." -TS Eliot [link to www.turtlesvoice.com] Momma Said Write A Book About It - New novel [link to www.amazon.com (secure)] [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] |
| BRIEF
User ID: 79662918 United States08/03/2022 08:55 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Surround yourself with good people… Surround yourself with those who lift you up… Surround yourself with those who have your back… Quoting: Turtle Flower The kids these days (I’m 56 so those 20+ years younger than me) post these memes all the time as they speak of their struggles and depression. And I can’t help but think how narcissistic these phrases are, and how they push the idea that we can’t be whole unless we are surrounded by people. Never is the idea expressed that they should step out of themselves and help others, it’s always about others doing for them, and it’s being accepted as wise advice and a good idea. People who can’t spend time alone, those who need to have others around all the time, just never seem to grow up. It’s as though they enter adulthood looking for a parent or a savior, and when these figments of a broken reality don’t do just as they expect, making them feel good about themselves, then they are hurt, angry, and more depressed than ever. Where have the ideas of figuring out your own strengths and talents gone? No one outside of you is going to give you that, no person knows what your special reason for being here is, so the whole idea of surrounding yourself is just another broad path leading you away from yourself, and the reasons you even exist. Giving others so much power over your emotions, your feelings of worth and belonging, is a short road to failure. Not to mention, putting your weight on others while you feel entitled to have them lift you up is selfish and narcissistic. I don’t get it. If you can’t be alone, and have to be surrounded by others all the time to feel complete, you’re not gonna make it. You just become a drain on everyone in your sphere. Instead of surrounding yourself, you should be separating yourself and figuring out who you are, and what you could potentially do to help the world, instead of waiting for the world to lift you up. /end rant Dennis Prager's "Happiness Is A Serious Problem" should be mandatory reading in high school, and I recommend it for anyone... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83956271 United States08/03/2022 08:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Turtle Flower
(OP) User ID: 83943521 United States08/03/2022 08:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is an interesting dynamic we have with our young people. Quoting: Cleolotus Never in the Human Race have people been seemingly more connected than ever before largely due to the Internet. However, while working for a Crisis Hotline what I witnessed was loneliness and quiet desperation. The online bullying is rampant and unless you are a tough cookie you can go down easily - it is relentless. You can have 500 Friends onlne but in actuality you may not have any "real friends" who you can be honest with and confide in. I feel very sad for this generation because it is a very Narcisstic one by Design. From very young children have learnt to "strike a pose" "take a selfie" "put on a Filter" and "show only their Best Life" It is making them miserable and depressed at best and suicidal at worst. So Sad. Completely agree, they've been led down the wrong path. "In order to arrive at what you are not, You must go through the way in which you are not." -TS Eliot [link to www.turtlesvoice.com] Momma Said Write A Book About It - New novel [link to www.amazon.com (secure)] [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83761675  Bulgaria08/03/2022 08:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| BRIEF
User ID: 79662918 United States08/03/2022 08:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As parents, it's ok to let your child see you down or sad, if it is resolved quickly. Living in a depressed state around your family will cause them stress and unhappiness too...So if you are not happy, fake it around your family if you have to... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
| Mdc61170
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| BRIEF
User ID: 79662918 United States08/03/2022 09:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I love loneliness. Actually, I don't need any people around, except my kids. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83761675 That's like saying you like to get burned, when you mean that you like the weather to be hot... Isolation is pleasurable to me as well, but not loneliness... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 82087762 United States08/03/2022 09:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Surround yourself with good people… Surround yourself with those who lift you up… Surround yourself with those who have your back… Quoting: Turtle Flower The kids these days (I’m 56 so those 20+ years younger than me) post these memes all the time as they speak of their struggles and depression. And I can’t help but think how narcissistic these phrases are, and how they push the idea that we can’t be whole unless we are surrounded by people. Never is the idea expressed that they should step out of themselves and help others, it’s always about others doing for them, and it’s being accepted as wise advice and a good idea. People who can’t spend time alone, those who need to have others around all the time, just never seem to grow up. It’s as though they enter adulthood looking for a parent or a savior, and when these figments of a broken reality don’t do just as they expect, making them feel good about themselves, then they are hurt, angry, and more depressed than ever. Where have the ideas of figuring out your own strengths and talents gone? No one outside of you is going to give you that, no person knows what your special reason for being here is, so the whole idea of surrounding yourself is just another broad path leading you away from yourself, and the reasons you even exist. Giving others so much power over your emotions, your feelings of worth and belonging, is a short road to failure. Not to mention, putting your weight on others while you feel entitled to have them lift you up is selfish and narcissistic. I don’t get it. If you can’t be alone, and have to be surrounded by others all the time to feel complete, you’re not gonna make it. You just become a drain on everyone in your sphere. Instead of surrounding yourself, you should be separating yourself and figuring out who you are, and what you could potentially do to help the world, instead of waiting for the world to lift you up. /end rant 90s best friend-parents created self-obsessed monsters. Me and my buddies use to get high af in the 90s and cruise the mall. There were always the meanest nastiest little kids yelling at their parents and crying if they didnt get everything they wanted. The aprents would always be running around to get them happy meals and any toys just to shut them up for a few minutes. I remember we use to talk about how fucked society is when these spoiled people took over. Here we are. |
| BRIEF
User ID: 79662918 United States08/03/2022 09:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The confusing part to people, until they learn or figure it out, is that fun is not happiness, but you certainly can have fun while being a happy person... If you chase fun, you will not find happiness...Often times happiness is hard work and really not that much fun...But you do it because it's worth it... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 79406013  United Kingdom08/03/2022 09:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Debbie User ID: 83907984 United States08/03/2022 09:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My son has a male friend who had a rough childhood that raps about it in his songs. He always asks me what I think of his music. All of his music is about being a victim, like a lot of the rap out there. Very heart wrenching music. He is very self-centered and I am afraid a product of his up bringing. How do you help these kids get out of this funk? |
| Shamanic
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83955920 Bosnia and Herzegovina08/03/2022 09:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | while you are partly right, the reason that my generation is so depressed is because they take TOO MUCH responsibility. They should be blaming the world more, not less, they should be more courageous in speaking up about their ideals, more aggressive, not less. It is the only way we can usher in a new world that isn't scary, but takes the best of every dualism. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83955920 So, instead of taking your frustrations to a forum where other boomers will only reply along the lines of 'oh yea this generation is f*cked, brainwashed retards', be honest about which specific person is triggering you, and talk to them! Real change comes from surrender, not resistance. We're humans too you know, inside us is exactly the same essence perceiving it all. Not that different at all. I actually have a lot of empathy for your generation, and I feel the reason you're so depressed is because of vaccine damage. Y'all are the first generation to get 70 plus vaccines before you become an adult, and the damage is pretty obvious to those who haven't suffered as you have. I have no animosity toward any of you kids, just wish you could heal the damage and find your strengths. I find it all very sad. Yes I sense that in you! I have no idea about how much vaccines play a part in mental health issues, never heard that (regarding the polio ones at least) before. But I do know that no matter how insidious or desperate it may seem, there's always two sides to any situation. And the tide is changing, the forced loneliness of covid bs lockdowns did in part solve the problem you described; myself I found last year a few paradoxes that could break through many illusions, and I am now spreading it to others; first my family, then my friends, and who knows after that. |
| cosmicgypsy
User ID: 80037766 United States08/03/2022 09:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Like minded people. Quoting: Shamanic People with the same passions and interests become steadfast friends, for life.   You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 37286833 United States08/03/2022 09:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is easy to forget as we get into our later years what we were like when we were young and the mistakes, we made along the way driven by hormones, rebellion, ignorance, bad choices and inexperience when given the opportunity. We worked, learned skills and did as we were told due to a heavy hand, "do your chores, do this and do not do that" etc or get your ass whipped with serious consequences. We cannot take credit for a more disciplinary structured upbring that most of us resented at the time. LOL Now days that is considered abuse, and the hormonal rampaging unstructured behavior is allowed to go unchecked without the historical family and social authoritarian discipline and restraints. Young people are controlled by their hormones more powerful than drugs, unaware of it and unable to control themselves, without protective restraints, forced work ethics and disciplinary demands that teach skilled self-discipline. Left unchecked and to their own impulses' youth can become a disaster on the scale of lord of the flies. |
| Turtle Flower
(OP) User ID: 83943521 United States08/03/2022 09:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is easy to forget as we get into our later years what we were like when we were young and the mistakes, we made along the way driven by hormones, rebellion, ignorance, bad choices and inexperience when given the opportunity. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37286833 We worked, learned skills and did as we were told due to a heavy hand, "do your chores, do this and do not do that" etc or get your ass whipped with serious consequences. We cannot take credit for a more disciplinary structured upbring that most of us resented at the time. LOL Now days that is considered abuse, and the hormonal rampaging unstructured behavior is allowed to go unchecked without the historical family and social authoritarian discipline and restraints. Young people are controlled by their hormones more powerful than drugs, unaware of it and unable to control themselves, without protective restraints, forced work ethics and disciplinary demands that teach skilled self-discipline. Left unchecked and to their own impulses' youth can become a disaster on the scale of lord of the flies. Good point But even as a young woman I was a bit of a loner, but you are right about the hormones, thank God that's over, lol. "In order to arrive at what you are not, You must go through the way in which you are not." -TS Eliot [link to www.turtlesvoice.com] Momma Said Write A Book About It - New novel [link to www.amazon.com (secure)] [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 74512851 United States08/03/2022 09:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My son has a male friend who had a rough childhood that raps about it in his songs. He always asks me what I think of his music. Quoting: Debbie 83907984 All of his music is about being a victim, like a lot of the rap out there. Very heart wrenching music. He is very self-centered and I am afraid a product of his up bringing. How do you help these kids get out of this funk? You explain who did this to him. Who is behind the cultural degeneracy. You can’t use semantics and vague religiotard, pacifist bullshit either. That’s not going to get to the heart of the matter. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83950261  Australia08/03/2022 09:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My son has a male friend who had a rough childhood that raps about it in his songs. He always asks me what I think of his music. Quoting: Debbie 83907984 All of his music is about being a victim, like a lot of the rap out there. Very heart wrenching music. He is very self-centered and I am afraid a product of his up bringing. How do you help these kids get out of this funk? just keep talking . talk to him at every opportunity . when he protests talk more . keep talking . his music is a cry for your help . |
