The Rapture and Hell.

You're 33.3333% right.

To love is to worship. To worship is to love.

With all your heart, soul, and mind.

7 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God
with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy
neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the
prophets.

Matthew 22:37-40.


He loves you and wants His Law written in your Heart. Heeberews 10:16

God does not desire the loss of a single soul. HE wills all humans salvation. So he made a new covenant since Israel broke 10 commandments every day. He sent us His only Son to show us the way, the truth. If u don't want Him, or His Son, the Word, or the Holy Ghost, He will not force u. L9ve is not force. So u choose Him or not. He does not desire your suffering. He mourns your rejection of His love

He doesn't want you to. He is giving you time and space to accept him. Not doing so is rejecting him. If you reject him, you reject all his attributes. He has made a place for those who reject him which is devoid of most of his attributes. All good things you know are removed. God creates air, water, sunshine, love, puppies, food, strength, everything good that you encounter is something of God. Reject God, you will go to a place that doesn't have much of God.

It was not designed for us but for the fallen angels; however we get the same if we reject God. The torture really comes from the denizens of the pit, every fallen angel, every demon will attack you, will harm you, for as long as you are together. You are not able to contend with them and you're basically flucked. There are gradients in hell, where those truly evil beings experience worse conditions.

God esteems his word over everything else. He is bound by what he says. If he changes a penalty, how then can he be trusted? Therefore, we get the same penalties as the devil, albeit not the same harshness.

So whatever he has said has bound him to this. But he loved you so much, our oh so great god, who created your heart, your brain, your eyes, and everything you see in this existence...who knew you before you were born, he humbled himself to be born as one of us, humbled himself to those who beat him, humbled himself to those who pulled his freaking beard out, humbled himself to those who whipped him almost to the point of death, humbled himself to those who crucified him, humbled himself to those who mocked him, and finally our great eternal God humbled himself to the grave. He did all this for you...to restore life to you...to redeem you so that you don't have to face the consequences of your sin in this life.

The only thing he asks of you is to agree with him regarding sin, he asks you to repent and do your utmost to refrain from it. He understands temptation and falling and will help you up. He asks that you believe a preposterous to our senses occurrence, that a man died and came right back to life, and believing in that man will save you. This is reasonable considering we fell from grace by believing another preposterous thing, that God was lying to us. All through scripture it shows reversal of such things, probably most memorable would be peter denying christ 3 times, after the resurrection Jesus made peter affirm him 3 times by telling him he loved him.

And you must believe on jesus alone. your good deeds won't save you, it's only jesus' blood which is enough to save every person who has ever lived and who will ever live.

The rest is up to you.

Be arrogant, think you know better than this great, colossal intelligence that formed you and don't study it with an open mind because you don't understand what you're reading...

or humbly tell god you don't know the truth and that you want to know and ask for his help and study the bible.

that's why god is love and i will pray for understanding to come to you. God bless

Last Edited by egads! on 08/04/2022 09:29 PM

And you can deny scripture and cross-referencing scripture and post walls of endless links that are wrong and you will still stand before Jesus Christ when He asks you why you vehemently denied Him here on this site day in and day out calling Him just a man and not divine, lying to others about your claims here, and never giving an account to why He was called God and worshipped as God while in the flesh while never once correcting said people such as Thomas who referred to Him as God.

Now be gone and when the rapture does happen, I bet in your pride you will attempt to save face and run with the satanically-run media’s narrative that it was “aliens” as to why millions of Christians vanished in a single instant.

God’s word calls you an anti-Christ and you will know them by their fruits. You’re a divider or truth and God’s holy word. Sickening.

hey bud who doesn't believe in pre trib rapture

what is your interpretation of the angels who appeared as Jesus ascended and who told the disciples that the next time Jesus came, he would come in like manner as he left?

He left in love and was blessing the people as he left.

How do you reconcile that with Jesus coming back in wrath?

Sincere question.

Acts 1 9-11
And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Luke 24:50: Jesus leads the eleven remaining disciples to Bethany, a village on the Mount of Olives, and instructs them to remain in Jerusalem until the coming of the Holy Spirit: "And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he parted from them, and was carried up into heaven.

There is no pre-trip rapture, been debated a million times and does not match the Bible.

Second, hell is the second death for unbelievers, there is suffering but no where in the Bible does it say it is forever. That is giving a false character of God. He is just and is not giving an infinite punishment for a finite crime.

I cringe when the Bible is not being represented correctly for what it actually teaches.

rev 14
9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and they will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

Thankyou, it's the indifference about the fate of peoples souls that's probably the saddest thing about all this.

We have been intentionally fed and conditioned to accept a distorted understanding of who God truly is.

Careful of any spiritual teachings that put fear in us, belittle us, divide us, make us more confused, or make us feel superior than others. Those are not teachings from God, but are from humans still under the strong influence of the ego that knows not of love, compassion, and gratitude.

Hard for us to evolve spiritually when we continue to embrace the distorted truth that we are born as lowly and unworthy sinners.

Souls are a part of God. A part of, not from, God. So what does that make us?

Having sincere love in our hearts and transmitting that love to others in need is what brings us to be in unity with God.

Action speaks louder than words. Go beyond believe and faith, and put the benevolent teachings of God to action in our daily life by treating ourselves and others with care, kindness, compassion, and respect.

A mind at peace and a heart with sincere love, passionately wanting to do what is best for others without any expectations of personal reward or benefit is the true meaning of "reborn" while we are alive in the human form. It is us letting go of our ego and becoming more connected with our divine eternal soul.

Why emphasize "sincere" love, which is love with pure intent?

Will those who strongly proclaim love for Jesus and God remain devoted even if there is no promise of eternal life with God in paradise after their death and no promise of being saved?

If they expect a reward or benefit for their devotion then that is conditional love, which is not pure sincere love but a form of deceit and manipulation.

You are just adding a load of mystical baggage to what is really a simple matter. How can you expect a young child, or a person who is staring death in the face to understand all that nonsense.

…”a load of mystical baggage”??

Are you serious, OP??

I’m stunned.

I submit you misunderstood the post, and I would encourage you to reread it.

It’s 1,000% spot on.

Or if you feel it’s somehow wrong, please explain why and how. Don’t just dismiss it and throw a Chick tract at it.

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Last Edited by Zovalex on 08/05/2022 01:00 PM

I just did explain it. You want that I should do a special longwinded version just for you?

The wise Christian is one who believes what the Bible says and who has put all of their trust in the Lord for their salvation. We all fail everyday, but we pick ourselves up and keep on going because we know that that wonderful day is fast approaching.
The foolish Christian is one who listens to lying preachers, is distracted by the cares of this world, and was likely never more than a lukewarm believer in the first place.

Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five [were] foolish.

Mat 25:3 They that [were] foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, [Not so]; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

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You explained nothing.

You merely dismissed it as “a load of mystical baggage” and “nonsense”.

I’m really surprised. Truly, I am.

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Then why do you support this blasphemous statement?

Hard for us to evolve spiritually when we continue to embrace the distorted truth that we are born as lowly and unworthy sinners.

It is our own tribulation we need to get past with no retaliation. Turn it all within. The kingdom of Heaven is within you.

We did come down through our parents, and the original sin of sex.

Israel in the Bible was a place , however, it was also symbolic of "the seekers" - the Gnostics were "seekers" they turned it all within them as we must all do.

Israel the country is in a lot of trouble karmically. SO is the US and a lot of other countries. Countries have karma too.

Not sure which hypothesis you are referring to but we don't know how it all began. We do offer the big bang as the beginnings of our universe but not anything prior. Simply put, we don't know but offer possible explanations. God seems to be the man invented answer which in it self is weird because it applies everything they say can't be actually is. Just in the form of god. Not just that he,oddly usually a male, always was,had no beginning. Is beyond space and time and made everything in our universe. Not only that but cares what we do! Please just a bit of reason,logic.

So somehow God can defeat your enemies but can't defeat death or your nice stay in the pit and a temple for forgiving sins helps in what way? if that's your end just like everyone else

Remember that you can be hit by a Captcha Bus anytime.
The bus appears and you become furious to have to click it for the millionth time, your blood pressure rises, your heart BOOMMM! ARGHHH...

Well I guess that when you reject the truth then garbled nonsense like this somehow seems like you're saying something profound. When actually it's a load of dung.

How does one determine the "truth"? Every religion has faith and believe their god(s). They can't all be right. Indeed, some hypothetical science possible explanations could be wrong. However none of that proves a god. Your's or any religions. So faith and belief are poor methods to discover truth. So in the dung competition who wins? Science has debunked quite a few gods. We stopped throwing virgins in the volcano but we still threw one on a cross. Human sacrifice is alive and well for some reason.

I don't see a third Temple, how can you say, soon?

Suit yourself.

Thanks opie. Well said.

You need to learn how to join words up in a logical way so that they mean something that people can understand. I'd suggest going back to grade school for a couple of years.