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The show ALONE is history channel propaganda...They say you can only survive with meat.

 
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Especially when it's raining.

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what about when it's frozen
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That's why you dry them for winter.
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where do you store them so the mice don't pilfer
your stash?
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in the non-modern world without help. vegans would be dead pretty fast.

mushrooms will not keep you alive.

if you're not using meat as your main fuel.
You'll spend at least triple the time and effort to keep going.
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Especially when it's raining.

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what about when it's frozen
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That's why you dry them for winter.
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where do you store them so the mice don't pilfer
your stash?
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Large glass ball jars with tight lids. Buckets work and Mylar bags.
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I'm not bashing meat here but it's simply not true. I am vegetarian at the moment but if I needed to eat meat again I have the skills and tools to get meat. However, in the new season 9 you see mushrooms everywhere. Nobody picks mushrooms yet they are all expert woodsfolk?

I would be picking and drying them daily not to mention eating fresh every meal. They make it seem impossible to live off the land and pump fear at every turn. They don't want average folks thinking you can survive out there.

Mushrooms and berries are so abundant here right now you could never starve.
 Quoting: cozita 80683328


They mean you cannot survive "in the wild" without meat, since you cannot get the requisite supplements that you have to take if you don't eat any meat. So, not propaganda, but you'd have to be out in the wild for a very, very long time before the lack of supplements affected you.
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I'm not bashing meat here but it's simply not true. I am vegetarian at the moment but if I needed to eat meat again I have the skills and tools to get meat. However, in the new season 9 you see mushrooms everywhere. Nobody picks mushrooms yet they are all expert woodsfolk?

I would be picking and drying them daily not to mention eating fresh every meal. They make it seem impossible to live off the land and pump fear at every turn. They don't want average folks thinking you can survive out there.

Mushrooms and berries are so abundant here right now you could never starve.
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Um..you can eat any mushroom - once.
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What episode says that only meat eaters survive?

Are you sure they didn’t reference protein?

Because a protein deficiency will kill you. It’s called starving to death.

A deficiency in fat will also kill you. It’s called rabbit starvation.
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Re: The show ALONE is history channel propaganda...They say you can only survive with meat.
in the non-modern world without help. vegans would be dead pretty fast.

mushrooms will not keep you alive.

if you're not using meat as your main fuel.
You'll spend at least triple the time and effort to keep going.
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I haven't eaten a single piece of meat in ten years.

I also chop 10 cords of wood by hand every year. I'm not suffering one bit from lack of meat. I do eat eggs and cheese though which provides some protein and fat.

I was vegan for many years and it's easier than you think but I would never go back to that. Eating meat gives you a spare tire and man boobs.

Sorry guys but nobody here has a body as good as mine.
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...and fat.

Actually, it did cause me to rethink some preps. We have a lot of vegetable oils, I have now moved totally to lard.

Plus, I think the whole food pyramid and everything associated with it is a lie.

My wife has started using lard in recipes that call for vegetable oil and guess what...I have lost 16 lbs, eating the exact same stuff, over the last 3 months.
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hfbumphf

Same here. I only use lard, and bacon grease, now for all my cooking.
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what about when it's frozen
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That's why you dry them for winter.
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where do you store them so the mice don't pilfer
your stash?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71720174


Large glass ball jars with tight lids. Buckets work and Mylar bags.
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so you took glass jars as part of your 10 items?
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What episode says that only meat eaters survive?

Are you sure they didn’t reference protein?

Because a protein deficiency will kill you. It’s called starving to death.

A deficiency in fat will also kill you. It’s called rabbit starvation.
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TRUTH!
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Re: The show ALONE is history channel propaganda...They say you can only survive with meat.
in the non-modern world without help. vegans would be dead pretty fast.

mushrooms will not keep you alive.

if you're not using meat as your main fuel.
You'll spend at least triple the time and effort to keep going.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74322544


I haven't eaten a single piece of meat in ten years.

I also chop 10 cords of wood by hand every year. I'm not suffering one bit from lack of meat. I do eat eggs and cheese though which provides some protein and fat.

I was vegan for many years and it's easier than you think but I would never go back to that. Eating meat gives you a spare tire and man boobs.

Sorry guys but nobody here has a body as good as mine.
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So you are thriving quite well in the modern world is what you are saying. How well do you think you would thrive without Whole Foods?
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That's why you dry them for winter.
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where do you store them so the mice don't pilfer
your stash?
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Large glass ball jars with tight lids. Buckets work and Mylar bags.
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so you took glass jars as part of your 10 items?
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One large Mylar bag would do the trick.
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I'm not bashing meat here but it's simply not true. I am vegetarian at the moment but if I needed to eat meat again I have the skills and tools to get meat. However, in the new season 9 you see mushrooms everywhere. Nobody picks mushrooms yet they are all expert woodsfolk?

I would be picking and drying them daily not to mention eating fresh every meal. They make it seem impossible to live off the land and pump fear at every turn. They don't want average folks thinking you can survive out there.

Mushrooms and berries are so abundant here right now you could never starve.
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You can't eat mushrooms every day without hurting your stomach and causing digestion issues.
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Where did you hear this? I do eat them every day with other foods. I never have any digestive issues. They do make you poop a little more because many are laxatives but that's okay with me. They are super food and medicine.
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in the non-modern world without help. vegans would be dead pretty fast.

mushrooms will not keep you alive.

if you're not using meat as your main fuel.
You'll spend at least triple the time and effort to keep going.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74322544


I haven't eaten a single piece of meat in ten years.

I also chop 10 cords of wood by hand every year. I'm not suffering one bit from lack of meat. I do eat eggs and cheese though which provides some protein and fat.

I was vegan for many years and it's easier than you think but I would never go back to that. Eating meat gives you a spare tire and man boobs.

Sorry guys but nobody here has a body as good as mine.
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So you are thriving quite well in the modern world is what you are saying. How well do you think you would thrive without Whole Foods?
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Just fine...I could live off sprouts only. And so could you.
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I'm not bashing meat here but it's simply not true. I am vegetarian at the moment but if I needed to eat meat again I have the skills and tools to get meat. However, in the new season 9 you see mushrooms everywhere. Nobody picks mushrooms yet they are all expert woodsfolk?

I would be picking and drying them daily not to mention eating fresh every meal. They make it seem impossible to live off the land and pump fear at every turn. They don't want average folks thinking you can survive out there.

Mushrooms and berries are so abundant here right now you could never starve.
 Quoting: cozita 80683328


They mean you cannot survive "in the wild" without meat, since you cannot get the requisite supplements that you have to take if you don't eat any meat. So, not propaganda, but you'd have to be out in the wild for a very, very long time before the lack of supplements affected you.
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You’re very, very wrong. Nomadic peoples survived for long periods of time without animal protein. Many times, food availability was the culprit. Secondary problems included preservation and preparation.
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in the non-modern world without help. vegans would be dead pretty fast.

mushrooms will not keep you alive.

if you're not using meat as your main fuel.
You'll spend at least triple the time and effort to keep going.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74322544


I haven't eaten a single piece of meat in ten years.

I also chop 10 cords of wood by hand every year. I'm not suffering one bit from lack of meat. I do eat eggs and cheese though which provides some protein and fat.

I was vegan for many years and it's easier than you think but I would never go back to that. Eating meat gives you a spare tire and man boobs.

Sorry guys but nobody here has a body as good as mine.
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So you are thriving quite well in the modern world is what you are saying. How well do you think you would thrive without Whole Foods?
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Just fine...I could live off sprouts only. And so could you.
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You first. Tell me now it goes. Then tell me why our ancestors added hunting to their gathering.
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I have seen more than one 'survivalist' on the show Alone try to win it on a veg and fruit diet... it cannot be done.

They are dropped in places with access to fish for a reason, they NEED high fat and protein to survive. They are always dropped a few weeks before full-on winter sets in so it's going to be freezing night and day soon.
If they were dropped in areas with nuts and legumes, perhaps they could collect enough for a minimum 3,000 calorie per day just to barely survive.

They had a guy kill a Moose and wound up starving from too much meat protein, not enough fat because a Wolverine ate his Moose fat stash... I think he won that season though.
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I'm not bashing meat here but it's simply not true. I am vegetarian at the moment but if I needed to eat meat again I have the skills and tools to get meat. However, in the new season 9 you see mushrooms everywhere. Nobody picks mushrooms yet they are all expert woodsfolk?

I would be picking and drying them daily not to mention eating fresh every meal. They make it seem impossible to live off the land and pump fear at every turn. They don't want average folks thinking you can survive out there.

Mushrooms and berries are so abundant here right now you could never starve.
 Quoting: cozita 80683328


You can't eat mushrooms every day without hurting your stomach and causing digestion issues.
 Quoting: FivelCubed


Where did you hear this? I do eat them every day with other foods. I never have any digestive issues. They do make you poop a little more because many are laxatives but that's okay with me. They are super food and medicine.
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I watched that episode. That's only about one specific mushroom called Agaricus which is supposedly toxic if not properly cooked. I don't even pick them anymore because there's so many other better mushrooms available.

He didn't say anything about mushrooms in general.
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I have seen more than one 'survivalist' on the show Alone try to win it on a veg and fruit diet... it cannot be done.

They are dropped in places with access to fish for a reason, they NEED high fat and protein to survive. They are always dropped a few weeks before full-on winter sets in so it's going to be freezing night and day soon.
If they were dropped in areas with nuts and legumes, perhaps they could collect enough for a minimum 3,000 calorie per day just to barely survive.

They had a guy kill a Moose and wound up starving from too much meat protein, not enough fat because a Wolverine ate his Moose fat stash... I think he won that season though.
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And he ended up killing that wolverine and ate it too! I was rooting for him, but watching him slowly starve to death while eating pounds of moose meat everyday was telling.

We NEED fat, period.
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I have seen more than one 'survivalist' on the show Alone try to win it on a veg and fruit diet... it cannot be done.

They are dropped in places with access to fish for a reason, they NEED high fat and protein to survive. They are always dropped a few weeks before full-on winter sets in so it's going to be freezing night and day soon.
If they were dropped in areas with nuts and legumes, perhaps they could collect enough for a minimum 3,000 calorie per day just to barely survive.

They had a guy kill a Moose and wound up starving from too much meat protein, not enough fat because a Wolverine ate his Moose fat stash... I think he won that season though.
 Quoting: oiko


And he ended up killing that wolverine and ate it too! I was rooting for him, but watching him slowly starve to death while eating pounds of moose meat everyday was telling.

We NEED fat, period.
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Except for a little of the two essential fatty acids (omega-3/6)
...which can be obtained from plant sources,

No, carbohydrates (instead of fat) is a perfectly fine other way to avoid protein poisoning.

If you don't want to study dietary science...

Page 234 of the 1985 U.S. Airforce manual 64-4 Volume 1 "Search and Rescue Survival Training":

A documented and authoritative example of the value of a strictly plant diet in survival can be cited in the case of a Chinese botanist who had been drafted into the Japanese Army during World War II. Isolated with his company in a remote section of the Philippines, the Chinese botanist kept 60 of his fellow soldiers alive for 16 months by finding wild plants and preparing them properly. He selected six men to assist him, and they found 25 examples of edible plants in the vicinity of their camp. He acquainted the men with these samples, showing them what parts of the plants could be used for food. He then sent the men out to look for similar plants and had them separate the new plants according to the original examples to avoid any poisonous plant mingling with the edible ones. The result of the effort was impressive. Though all the men had a nature desire for ordinary food, none suffered physically from the plant food diet. The report was especially valuable because the botanist kept a careful record of all the food used, the results, and the comments of the men. This case history reflects the same opinions as those found in questionnaires directed to American survivors during World War II
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 Quoting: AFR 64-6 | Vol 1, Section 18.5

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I messed up the citation, that's AFR 64-4.
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I DON'T THINK YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND SURVIVAL.

AND THE LAST THING THE HISTORY CHANNEL IS GOING TO DO IS CREATE A PRO-MEAT AGENDA. BASED ON THE ENVIRONMENTS WHERE THEY SEND THE COMPETITORS, MEAT IS CERTAINLY ONE OF THE GREATEST CALORIC RETURNS, DITTO PROTEIN, BUT IT IS THE FAT THAT GETS THEM FURTHER ALONG. COLD WEATHER REQUIRES A FAR DIFFERENT SET OF NEEDS THAT BERRIES AND MUSHROOMS CANNOT ADEQUATELY SATISFY.

I'VE NOTICED THAT THE PARTICIPANTS SEEM FAR MORE EXCITED BY FISH THAN MEAT, BUT MAYBE I'M READING INTO IT.

THE REAL HARD PART IS CLEARLY THE ISOLATION ASPECT. 90% OF THEM QUIT BECAUSE THEY MISS THEIR LOVED ONES, NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE STARVING. I'VE ONLY SEEN A COUPLE OF THEM GET PULLED DUE TO HEALTH ISSUES ARISING FROM REAL STARVATION AND ONE OF THEM WAS A VEGAN.

HUMAN BEINGS ARE OMNIVORES, YOU SIMPLY CANNOT DENY THAT FACT. SOME PEOPLE PREFER MEAT BASED DIETS, OTHERS INCLINE TOWARDS PLANT BASED AND THE MAJORITY OF HUMANITY SEEMS TO FAVOR FISH BASED ONES. THEY ALL WORK TO ONE DEGREE OR ANOTHER, MAYBE WORRY LESS ABOUT JUDGING FOLKS ON WHAT WORKS FOR THEM.
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Surviving from your own turf can be pretty challenging, but try doing it in a total different environment.

Adapt or die.
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 Quoting: AFR 64-6 | Vol 1, Section 18.5

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I messed up the citation, that's AFR 64-4.
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Thanks for posting that. This is my point. It can and has been done. Yes you'll feel better perhaps with your meat but you wouldn't die. We can live for a very long time without a single slice of meat.
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milk and cheese are animal proteins that came from animals
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 Quoting: AFR 64-6 | Vol 1, Section 18.5

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I messed up the citation, that's AFR 64-4.
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Thanks for posting that. This is my point. It can and has been done. Yes you'll feel better perhaps with your meat but you wouldn't die. We can live for a very long time without a single slice of meat.
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Give it a shot then. Become the next Youtube sensation.
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Surviving from your own turf can be pretty challenging, but try doing it in a total different environment.

Adapt or die.
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The environment of the Labrador which is where they were for this season looks very much like my terrain in Western Colorado. I'm sure the same mushrooms and berries exist there as here.
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lmao
My wife and I were talking about the Alone show the other day.

We suggested they make a 'Vegan-Only' season.

The vegans would last about 10 days before they cried for mercy.

Yes, there are berries and mushrooms.
You'd eat them all within a mile walk radius after about 4 days.

You should try it sometime - go camping and leave all your food behind.
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Didn't one guy early on in the series just eat kelp?
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milk and cheese are animal proteins that came from animals
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Yea I never said I was vegan.
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OP is right on one thing - they've changed the narrative of the show to emphasize the killing of animals to procure food.

Like everything today - it's all about the long term agenda, which in this case is to demonize people who eat meat.
So the show depicts the dying grouse and the beaver with the arrow in it to get people mad and upset.
I watch the show - it's one of the few things I watch on TV anymore because it shows REAL LIFE.
Veganism is not real life - it is a fake life made possible by modern contrivances like "soy milk" and impossible burgers.

TPTB don't want you eating meat because it is part of a healthy diet.





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