Me 262

my first car was a citroen duex gevo but i spelled it wrong.

me too .

"time-traveling 1967 Chevy Corvette"

I love you Judethz, i just realized that.

There's something missing on the tail.

Rare bird.

Yeah but a Spitfire would smack its bum

Why ?

Comparing any prop-driven fighter to a jet fighter is like comparing a motorcycle to a bicycle.

one morning chuck yeager shot down two me 262s in a p 51 .
so it depends on who is at the controls .

In general, the Spitfires only managed to shoot them down when they were in the landing phase, and for that reason they waited for them near the airfields and quickly descended, destroyed them and ran home. Pierre Clostermann, "The Big Show". An epic book worth reading. Somewhere he is debating this topic and and tactics about how to shoot down the Me-262 jet planes.

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Late in the war a clash of technologies occurred in the skies over Germany. The Luftwaffe's wonder weapon that was the Me-262 fought against the allies pinnacle of propellor driven technology, the P-51D Mustang.
Describing the battle in the words of a Luftwaffe pilot shows that it was a very close fight.

Here is an example of prop vs jet from a 262 pilot for the thread.

Plus, we had ACE fighters such as Biggles, who had a stiff upper lip an' all that

try saying "chocks away ginger" today and you go to jail
for 20 years .

Jet noise is the loud I love!

LOL Didn't know you were that kinda girl

Maybe a cup of coffee sometimes?:)

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It's a messerschmitt is everybody afraid of spelling that or what?

Yeap, Didn't he have excellent and I mean excellent eye sight something like 20/10 ? Many of the 262's were shot down on their landing approaching where they were very vulnerable.

Last Edited by zzbudzz on 07/23/2022 04:32 AM

Get in line, pal.

For sure not every German pilot was an Ace and there was a learning curve with a brand new aircraft. A big problem was that they were too fast for dogfighting. They should really have been fitted with airbrakes so they could drop speed quickly and outturn the P 51. But this was wartime and for whatever reason, they went without. However, the best German pilots could reduce speed by pulling up out of a dive and take on the P 51. With some success in quite a few cases.
The pilots, in particular, the inexperienced ones were to go into a steep dive and show a clean pair of heels to the Mustang, which they could easily do because they were over a hundred mph faster

But all this misses the point, because standing orders were not to tangle with 'low value' targets like the P 51. They were there to destroy the B 17s which they were superbly equipped to do. A favorite tactic was to just dive through the fighter cover and the bombers then pulled up below them and approached from the side where the B 17s presented a nice wide profile and the (very short) engagement time was a little longer than when approaching head on, and less defensive fire could be brought to bear. They were too fast, it took 4 seconds for a gunner to aim and fire off an accurate burst, they only had two seconds. In fact that was a problem for the Me 262 pilots as well, but the 24 R4M Rockets filled with 520g of HTA 41/HTA 15 (torpex) meant that very, very few of the B 17s on the receiving end of that lived to fight another day. The 4 x 30mm Cannon in the nose automatically fired off a few rounds each at the same time, assuming that they were all functioning. These shells were much more powerful than anything in the 20mm range.

Yes the P 51s and other fighters did at one time take a heavy toll of the Me 262s when they were taking off and landing, but the two-fold answer was 1..."Flack Alley" which consisted of 150 or so quad 40mm Bofors AA guns lining the landing and take off approaches. 2...Swarms of FW 190s and Me 109s waiting to tangle with them

Actually you forgot to capitalise it, it's Messerschmitt. But yeah people don't like the added difficulty of typing out foreign words. Besides Me 109 is a standard abbreviation, just like Yak-9 is for the Yakovlev Yak-9.

A trainer model no less. Probably the only surviving model of this type. Had they employed it as a fighter exclusively it could have entered the war a year earlier and made an actual difference in the outcome. It probably would have shot down the b17's and thus my wife would have never been born. Her dad was a ball turret gunner - easy job, glory position. :p

It's a replica.

I believe that an American company built 4 airframes and I think that General Electric have a suitable engine.
I'd reckon that they probably cost a small fortune to build.

Thank You Judethz.
Truly one of my favorite planes.

Only if it caught one landing.

Thank you for posting

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Just for YOU, Judethz!

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