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nitrogen fertilizer can be created directly from the atmosphere , an essentially inexhaustible source .

 
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nitrogen fertilizer can be created directly from the atmosphere , an essentially inexhaustible source .
so why is are shortages of it again ?
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AOC farting cow knows
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nah ! we cant do that

global warming !!!
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Re: nitrogen fertilizer can be created directly from the atmosphere , an essentially inexhaustible source .
so why is are shortages of it again ?
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Link to the process?

Beans and alfalfa can do it.

There is also the "3 sisters" planting method.

But what are you talking about?
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Re: nitrogen fertilizer can be created directly from the atmosphere , an essentially inexhaustible source .
Cover crops used for centuries extract nitrogen from the air, inject it into the soil. The farmer turns the cover crop into the soil for a heavy burst of concentrated nitrogen injection into the soil.
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Re: nitrogen fertilizer can be created directly from the atmosphere , an essentially inexhaustible source .
so why is are shortages of it again ?
 Quoting: ggg 80804854


Link to the process?

Beans and alfalfa can do it.

There is also the "3 sisters" planting method.

But what are you talking about?
 Quoting: JustmeTX


its an old , almost comparatively primitive process at this point but can find plenty of sources googling

for interests of independent individuals who may be compelled to actually do it ....

[link to www.sciencedaily.com (secure)]
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Re: nitrogen fertilizer can be created directly from the atmosphere , an essentially inexhaustible source .
It will cause a Nitrogen Shortage Crisis!

Billionaires will be mobilized to combat nitrogen shortage by stealing MOAR stuff from .gov treasuries!

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It will cause a Nitrogen Shortage Crisis!

Billionaires will be mobilized to combat nitrogen shortage by stealing MOAR stuff from .gov treasuries!

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not likely

about as probable as there ever being a carbon shortage on earth
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Interesting!
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Re: nitrogen fertilizer can be created directly from the atmosphere , an essentially inexhaustible source .
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 Quoting: ggg 80804854


Link to the process?

Beans and alfalfa can do it.

There is also the "3 sisters" planting method.

But what are you talking about?
 Quoting: JustmeTX


its an old , almost comparatively primitive process at this point but can find plenty of sources googling

for interests of independent individuals who may be compelled to actually do it ....

[link to www.sciencedaily.com (secure)]
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NOX is air pollution. What is the next step?

By the way, it takes a shitload of energy to make NOX.
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Re: nitrogen fertilizer can be created directly from the atmosphere , an essentially inexhaustible source .
so why is are shortages of it again ?
 Quoting: ggg 80804854


Link to the process?

Beans and alfalfa can do it.

There is also the "3 sisters" planting method.

But what are you talking about?
 Quoting: JustmeTX


He's the type that watches Star Trek Discovery, cut him some slack.
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Re: nitrogen fertilizer can be created directly from the atmosphere , an essentially inexhaustible source .
so why is are shortages of it again ?
 Quoting: ggg 80804854


Link to the process?

Beans and alfalfa can do it.

There is also the "3 sisters" planting method.

But what are you talking about?
 Quoting: JustmeTX


its an old , almost comparatively primitive process at this point but can find plenty of sources googling

for interests of independent individuals who may be compelled to actually do it ....

[link to www.sciencedaily.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80804854


NOX is air pollution. What is the next step?

By the way, it takes a shitload of energy to make NOX.
 Quoting: JustmeTX


[link to cen.acs.org (secure)]

[link to www.sciencedaily.com (secure)]
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Re: nitrogen fertilizer can be created directly from the atmosphere , an essentially inexhaustible source .
It's what gave I.G. Farben the money to put Hitler into power.
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Re: nitrogen fertilizer can be created directly from the atmosphere , an essentially inexhaustible source .
Used to do this. Be aware that there is a time delay between the nitrogen-fixing of the pea/legume plants and the slow release of nitrogen into the soil

First you grow peas from seed that you have inoculated with the necessary rhizobia. While it might be present in your soil, they don't do well without it, so might as well put the pea seeds into a bag with rhizobia and shake them together.

When you're done harvesting the peas, lease the roots in the ground. Usually we just plow the plants under. In mild climates the peas can be grown in winter and turned under to release the nitrogen into the soil during the summer planting season.

Save some peas and repeat. We like snap peas, picked young before they plump up, but of course you have to leave some to maturity for next year's planting. Put the pease you save, after they are dry, into the freezer for at least 6 weeks to kill any critters, like weevils, that have invaded them. The critters lease a very small hole where they entered. Don't plant any peas with such holes if you find them. That's it.
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Re: nitrogen fertilizer can be created directly from the atmosphere , an essentially inexhaustible source .
"There are three methods for the separation of air components: PSA, membrane, and cryogenic systems.

Which process should you choose to get nitrogen from air? It’s best to consider purity and capacity, as well as mobility and the pressure of delivered air product.

1. Fractional Distillation of Liquid Air to Produce Nitrogen
cryogenic air separation

So how do you separate nitrogen from air? By a process called fractional distillation of liquid air to produce nitrogen. In simple terms, a four-step process is used: cool it, isolate the nitrogen, separate it from the air, and then collect it.

At the correct low temperature, the nitrogen becomes liquid and can then be extracted and harvested for industrial processes. Once in its liquid form, the gases can be transported in tanks, and stored in cylinders.

However, when transporting the nitrogen, you can run into a number of problems. Corrosion can cause safety concerns, as can improper handling of the boilers during a move between industrial plants.

Then there’s the issue of cost and maintenance of the cylinders and generators.

2. Nitrogen Generators
NiGen’s industrial on-site nitrogen generators are an effective solution to these problems. They enable business and industries to avoid a lot of risks and financial expenses. It’s estimated that using an on-site Nitrogen generator can save 40 to 80 percent in costs.

More benefits of using these on-site generators are that they are environmentally friendly and don’t require much maintenance. You can also rent our generators directly and do smaller-scale industry operations yourself, without relying on third-party providers.

The two types of nitrogen systems we offer at NiGen are called membrane generators, and pressure swing absorption generators – sometimes referred to as PSA generators.

Membrane Nitrogen Generators
Membrane systems have low operating costs. They are built to separate compressed air through hollow-fiber membranes. They work by forcing compressed air into a vessel which selectively permeates oxygen, water vapor, and other impurities out of its side walls. The nitrogen flows through the center and emerges as gas.

They have a high nitrogen purity, from 95 percent to 99.5 percent. Membrane systems are also easier to maintain. With low dBA, no switching valves, and a small footprint, they’re suitable for many small to medium industries.

PSA Nitrogen Generators
Pressure Swing Adsorption (PSA) nitrogen generators are often the top choice when higher purity applications are necessary. They use a method of separation which enables nitrogen purities of 95 to 99.9995 percent."




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Re: nitrogen fertilizer can be created directly from the atmosphere , an essentially inexhaustible source .
Alfalfa is a nitrogen fixer and its roots grow 12' deep bringing minerals to the surface for future crops
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"Compartmentalized, self-contained, modular-scale plasma reactors mimic how lightening makes renewable nitrogen fertilizer using sunlight, water, and air, and have recently been reduced to practice by researchers at the University of Eindhoven in the Netherlands. They have developed standalone, small-scale chemical plants that are presently being evaluated in Uganda, Africa for producing on-site nitrate fertilizers. A field test in Uganda is ongoing

Compared to large-scale fertilizer production plants, modular fertilizer production units are considered a preferred option for fast-growing populations in emerging markets by offering the benefits of low capital costs and scale-down economics.

The solar-powered plasma technology utilizes a catalyst-free, gliding arc reactor in which a flow of gaseous N2 and O2 are electrically excited, causing them to react to produce mainly nitrogen monoxide (NO) in the plasma zone. The NO is further oxidized to NO2, which dissolves in water to form a slightly acidic aqueous nitrate NO3– solution to be used after dilution to feed plants. It should be noted that the energy efficiency of plasma-assisted reactors could be enhanced by introducing catalysts into the design — currently the subject of much research.

It is noteworthy that in this style of reactor, the plasma ignites at the narrowest gap between the arc electrodes, traverses the length of the arc by the gas flow, quenches at the wider end of the gap, and the cycle repeats. Of the many reactor configurations, the gliding-arc design is the most efficient and promising for small-scale plasma-assisted nitrogen fixation."
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plants are synergistic.

when people understand this and stop mowing their lawns like religious sheep, there will be a change, until then, all remains the same.

in other words.

the only solutions is everyone must die.
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Piss on it.
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Re: nitrogen fertilizer can be created directly from the atmosphere , an essentially inexhaustible source .
Plants cannot assimilate atmospheric nitrogen.
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Plants cannot assimilate atmospheric nitrogen.
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that's because atmospheric nitrogen is dinitrogen.
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Interesting!
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Plants cannot assimilate atmospheric nitrogen.
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Re: nitrogen fertilizer can be created directly from the atmosphere , an essentially inexhaustible source .
This is why they rotate crops.

Some plants pull it out of the air and deposit it into the soils.
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Re: nitrogen fertilizer can be created directly from the atmosphere , an essentially inexhaustible source .
The way to "rebuild" soil is to incorporate livestock in a carefully managed "rotation grazing" arrangement.

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you need a lot of energy to do generate the amount of nitrogen needed.. we don't have enough for the ev vehicles. Let along making fertilizer...
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Re: nitrogen fertilizer can be created directly from the atmosphere , an essentially inexhaustible source .
Large amounts of NO2 and NO3 are generated by electrical discharges and solar energy.

This precipitates as mild nitric acid rain, and is plant food from the sky.

I'm waiting for the EPA to fine lightning discharges.

Next best way to generate oxides of nitrogen is a highly efficient combustion engine, with high peak combustion temperatures.

So they CUT efficiency of engines to ensure profitability for fertilizer corporations.

Another major fertilizer no longer delivered by the same atmospheric method is Sulphur.

Once sulphur was emitted and became mild sulphuric acid rain, and was beneficial.

Now farmers have had to begin adding sulphur to the soil for higher yields, as smoke is now scrubbed of sulphur.

This bullshit is now 50 years old.
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The way to "rebuild" soil is to incorporate livestock in a carefully managed "rotation grazing" arrangement.


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This man, Greg Judy, uses no fertilizer. The animals do the fertilizing. He doesn't even give his animals any drugs. If they need drugs he sells them at the auction.

He doesn't even have a barn. Doesn't even use a tractor.

All he does is strategically move them around and put them onto the best "salad bar" at the right time and leaves to a new patch at the right time.

The "fertilizing" is literally the best possible way to fertilize...the way God intended. These pastures are like what pastures in Paradise must look like.
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Re: nitrogen fertilizer can be created directly from the atmosphere , an essentially inexhaustible source .
Large amounts of NO2 and NO3 are generated by electrical discharges and solar energy.

This precipitates as mild nitric acid rain, and is plant food from the sky.

I'm waiting for the EPA to fine lightning discharges.

Next best way to generate oxides of nitrogen is a highly efficient combustion engine, with high peak combustion temperatures.

So they CUT efficiency of engines to ensure profitability for fertilizer corporations.

Another major fertilizer no longer delivered by the same atmospheric method is Sulphur.

Once sulphur was emitted and became mild sulphuric acid rain, and was beneficial.

Now farmers have had to begin adding sulphur to the soil for higher yields, as smoke is now scrubbed of sulphur.

This bullshit is now 50 years old.
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alliums and cruciferous vegetables produce a lot of organic sulfur . dont know how much can contribute recycling back into soil however , if anything .
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Re: nitrogen fertilizer can be created directly from the atmosphere , an essentially inexhaustible source .
Large amounts of NO2 and NO3 are generated by electrical discharges and solar energy.

This precipitates as mild nitric acid rain, and is plant food from the sky.

I'm waiting for the EPA to fine lightning discharges.

Next best way to generate oxides of nitrogen is a highly efficient combustion engine, with high peak combustion temperatures.

So they CUT efficiency of engines to ensure profitability for fertilizer corporations.

Another major fertilizer no longer delivered by the same atmospheric method is Sulphur.

Once sulphur was emitted and became mild sulphuric acid rain, and was beneficial.

Now farmers have had to begin adding sulphur to the soil for higher yields, as smoke is now scrubbed of sulphur.

This bullshit is now 50 years old.
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Yeah, but all that in the air is probably wasted energy that could have been captured into the soil, naturally, at the source instead of floating off into the air.

The name of the game is understanding that "bullshit" is like money to the soil. The cow patties are what do the fertilizing. Cow manure and animal manure in general is far superior to manmade fertilizer for a multitude of reasons.

If you get the cows to spread it around FOR YOU with no work onto very fertile pasture then it is constantly fertilizing itself.





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