Writing good stories is hard

Ahhhhhhh

This is because the motivation to profit from a story limits what it can be. I get it. That's also a reason I stopped trying to write. I looked at the state of the world as I could understand it, and I didn't see authors making livable incomes.

I recall surfing on a site that kept track of various authors and their books, completed and in progress and getting familiar with some of the writers of my favorite books.

None of them were wealthy. I don't think many of them were making an income that would allow them to keep writing for a living.

I don't like living broke so I decided to focus on other things.

Thanks! I'll start small and stay with the fun

It doesn't take years to write a book...

Most people here on GLP could write one in 1 hour...

People have had some amazing experiences and they know it, and what they write would resonate with thousands of other folks.

Don't be so hard on yourself. Add YOURSELF to the story.

The best stories are REAL stories.

Think of some of the most famous stories that everyone knows about.

They were based on real life...with some embellishment.

Use your imagination. Put yourself (in your mind) as the main character.

I'm doing that right now. It's going to piss some people off, but I do not care one bit.

There have already been cues embedded in the language of this thread that tell anyone who knows how to read that the subtext of it definitely isn't about 'listening.' I'm not so good with non-verbal cues, and the internet effaces tone if not making it plausibly deniable--but given that it was a creation of the government, how long did you expect it to allow information to be free or creativity and spirituality to survive unmolested?

Ahhh so you aren't blindly talking into an abyss, but seem to have information about me.

Yeah I like a panhandler look on me. I don't mind that.

Your stuff doesn't apply though. You can't force me to comply to your imagination.

It's not that I am not letting you.

You simple cant, and we both know it.

People like you are traitorous and unreliable, infinitely deceiving and I don't have room for you.

Video games and computer programming is no different to story writing you know why? it's all based on creating an experience.

When you play donkey kong, you observe the rules, you see how enemies react, you see how to get rewards and survive in the game. You do not involve yourself with the artwork or the code.

If you programmed donkey Kong and created the whole thing, you have a different experience. This experience is based on creating an environment for another person to live within. So you are living in a different mode of operation.

If you are playing video games, that's one mode of operation. If you are creating them. That's another mode of operation.

Why does this matter? Because in a sense when you play donkey kong you are still creating an experience but it is confined to the creator of the game.

The creator of the game doesn't get the entertainment value that you get out of coming into contact with all the hard work already done. So why would you be a game creator or story teller, unless there was no good games or stories to engage in.

You would first have to exhaust the best games and stories, to have a foundation for a better creation. If you try to create something an you never been through an experience, that will translate into whatever you create.

So you can spend your time trying to create things, but unless you spend equal time experiencing things, you may be in a sense blinded by things you havn't encountered or achieved yet.

Writing is the opposite end of reading. Both is like a spectrum of functioning.

What you wrote is a turn off.

Gosh, simplify things.

Why do people make things so difficult?

Half the people I know can only relate to simple and clear writing.

The other half is so boring and so technical, that I wouldn't care to read anything they write.

Yeah. I was being dramatic but I meant more that it would take that long for me. I estimated the duration based on my own process.

The producer has worked very hard to internalize his objection to the most compelling parts of my personal story. The OP is a prime example of the type. Interaction with him is parasitical on creativity because he considers innocent enjoyment to be a crime if it serves no purpose.

That's hard for me. I'm one of those people you'd probably piss off, but, I wouldn't want that to stop you.

I guess I created the problems for myself by putting extra rules on my process.

I get it.

I don't write novels but I do write a lot on one particular subject that (at least) hundreds read each week.

It's simple, honest as all get-out, and It is my absolute passion.

Nothing in life means more to me that what I do.

I've given every writer a fair view. Yes let's nitpick the details and say, I'm not listening but looking.

However I did too much of "give each person the benefit of the doubt" and grew TIRED of the process of talking to people like you.

You may be aware of me or even some pattern about me but that doesn't give you the right to be familiar with me. I don't have tolerance for that anymore.

If you're going to enforce your own perceptions of me onto me, you are not my friend nor do you have something wise to tell me.

I said 'experience,' not imagination. I could imagine, I suppose, that you were a more flexible person in your demands on me than past experiences dictate. How much license would it take to make you interesting, let alone loveable, however? "Traitorous" implies obedience and loyalty--that's propaganda, not fiction; unreliable is a thing that is notoriously lacking among artists generally. Deception is exactly what you are asking the writer of fiction to do: what is it that you really want? Not any sort of artist. And 'having room' is a phony constraint you want to impose, like deadlines, budgets, optics, and basically everything that ends up killing creativity. Why are you pretending to be something that you're not, and why do you expect me to suspend my disbelief?

That's genius. I started to imagine the experience of writing a story as it's own event. I like that. I can think about that for a while.

You sound weak and in need of reality.

I think for any writer the temptation to overthink things is powerful. A good writer overcomes that temptation and doesn't overly complicate the story.

Somebody brought up George Martin. I think he struggles mightily with that in spite of writing some of the best epic fantasy put to paper. Why his pace of publishing is so god damn glacial.

In the end, you just have to sit the fuck down and write.

Misrepresenting me, idealogue; hypocrite.

I don't think I'd piss you off...

Maybe I'd freak you out a little but you wouldn't be angry. The person I wrote about would be very angry.

Try writing about something you're passionate about!

Your feelings and your views, without concerning yourself with rules.

I bet your writing is superb. However, being honest and upfront will win a lot of points and notoriety.

People love honesty. So do I !

I recently read about a guy who wrote a book with such bad grammar and spelling that people were intrigued and bought it!

The man grew up as a very poor child. He wanted nothing more to be a very wealthy person.

He grew up and made foolish decisions that made him filthy rich.

People wanted him to fail and would give him very bad advice, and he would move on it. With each bad investment, he scored.

His book still sells today! And it totally sucks. lol

Let me see if I can find the article. It's actually amazing.

You asked me what I want from you and the answer is that I want nothing from you. I'd ask you to leave my thread but I have a feeling you'd twist that into a narrative for yourself too.

You're right, but, in the reality, will there be someone to help me and be on my side?

Or, will I get my ass beat and face spit on and left stranded, because I'm weak?

What's in the reality? I don't have big hopes about what you might tell me.

"The right to be (overly) familiar" characterized the interaction from the start. If you want to admit to being a hypocrite and say it's a privilege much like being allowed to have an imagination or even hobbies, then that would be a real bit of progress were I talking to someone else. With you, that's a horse of another color. You alone have the right to grow tired of the interaction style YOU initiated, YOU steered, and YOU abandoned at will. I stopped being charitable, and you don't consider that my right. You never did, so that at least doesn't come as a surprise. What does is that you expected different results than you got, and have the gall to be pissed off that future promises are some sort of panacea for present slavery--especially when you are demonstrably unreliable on even the smallest courtesies to your slaves.

I figured there should at least be a coherent background to my stories. This would be like lore, or if someone questioned it, I could offer the details.

The other thing about that is - I thought if I could create a coherent world in the first place, the story would occur on its own (not entirely of course, but the characters would receive their limitations from the world).

Then I wouldn't have to overthink every story. I wouldn't only have to overthink it once. Though it was exhausting and I eventually stopped caring

Then write bad ones, they seem to flow like water from the east river.

I wasn't asking what you want *now* but whether in having taken the things you did you had any purpose other than the sheer pleasure of taking them. It's not difficult to be candid.

That's hilarious, if it's true. It makes me think of the possibilities but honestly? I'm scared of success.

Yes I am aware that's a cliche but I might as well be one

If you're talking about exposition, no, that's not the way. That kind of stuff will bore a reader to tears. The lore, worldbuilding and so on should be revealed through the telling of the story, incidentally.

Stories and games, are the framework of reality that consists of a dream.

Why do you dream and sleep at night only to wake up to a different reality. It's a cycle like an incoming or outgoing tide.

Time is a framework for any dream. But when that dream ends and things become a memory, then what is time? You may have dreamt you lived an entire week, but you were only sleeping for one night. Time becomes a reference that can change.

What is Death, how do you know that Death isn't going to be like waking up into a new reality. How do you know death even exists when we have never died personally. What if old age is the effect of a time reference and that it is only symptoms of reality shifting.

What if death is simply the passing of time and change that moves us into different stories or games based on cycles of energy or frequency. When losing your memory with old age for example, are you really losing your memory or is your construction of reality shifting, are you hallucinating with a brain disease or is it a process of shifting into a different mode.

What is the human body, is it a material biological machine or is it a map of some sort that presents itself like an avatar that you can reference.

What if you could shapeshift into animals and you didn't even know it was possible because you didn't believe it.

What if your entire reality is based on faith and what you can and cannot do, from games and stories and experiences that you have encountered.

What if you could expand the potential by labeling reality as a dream and working within it that way.

Do what GLP does then if writing stores are hard.

Just write short lies on a subject that's very subjective

and pretend to be an authority on it because of an experience

you had (aliens and buttholes always goes great at parties)

"Good writers borrow; great writers steal."

1984 is a rip off of a russian novel written in the early 1900s by a russian

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