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The Rapture and the Tribulation Saints.

 
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The question is not The Bible. The question is not evidence or proof or language or version or translation or anything.

The only question is Your Heart.

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History has been rewritten hundreds of times to fit the narrative of time of the editing ..... Books can be "trusted" as far as you can throw them. For every book presented, there's another one that will present the opposite.

You cannot base your belief system on ANY book. All have been manipulated, edited to fit the agenda.

That's the world we live in.
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


The Almighty Creator God can handle getting His Book to you as He superintends

without His Purposes being defeated or confounded by mere men,

despite your intention and desire to deny it is the very Word of God.

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He can but if you think that the god of this world, working through humans can't make an impact?

Your head is buried in the sand.

There is pieces of Holy Spirit inspired words contained therein, but it's definitely not the whole of it. I mean, most of the OT is taken from phoenician writings, That's been proven again and again.

You said "as he intends" ..... yes. Proverbs 25:2 (ASV) It is the glory of God to conceal a thing; But the glory of kings is to search out a matter.
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Is that why there are almost 300 different translations of it today?
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Why do you want this to be a problem?

Why do you so want not to believe it?

You are free to read the origibal language Greek and Hebeer versions if you want...

but you just do not want.

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I trust god

Not books about god

Too many cults exist now because of books “about” god.

Jehovahs witnesses for one.

With their new world translation

Then you have all these modernised gen z versions

Its got to a point you need to have a relationship with god alone

Not with a church

And not with a book

If you cant trust God

The book aint gonna do you any good anyway

Pharisses are a prime example

They knew the scriptures backwards.

And look at how they treated god

Same todsy

Seems the more the person knows the book...the less they know god

And the more evil and arrogant they ate

Even calling those who dont agree with them

GOD HATERS

LIKE THE OHARISEES DID TO JESUS

AND FOR THE VERY SAME REASON

PUFFED UP WITH “KNOWLEDGE”

Bloated with PRIDE
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History has been rewritten hundreds of times to fit the narrative of time of the editing ..... Books can be "trusted" as far as you can throw them. For every book presented, there's another one that will present the opposite.

You cannot base your belief system on ANY book. All have been manipulated, edited to fit the agenda.

That's the world we live in.
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


pinkballoon I can see how what you saying sounds reasonable enough from the point of view of an unbeliever.

And sadly it's substantially true, but there will be people in hell for doing it. However, you are measuring the power of Jesus Christ, who created the universe and everything in it by merely human standards. He knows all of this and as the Bible says 'the truth will set you free.'

Luk 12:7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.
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History has been rewritten hundreds of times to fit the narrative of time of the editing ..... Books can be "trusted" as far as you can throw them. For every book presented, there's another one that will present the opposite.

You cannot base your belief system on ANY book. All have been manipulated, edited to fit the agenda.

That's the world we live in.
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


:pinkballoon: I can see how what you saying sounds reasonable enough from the point of view of an unbeliever.

And sadly it's substantially true, but there will be people in hell for doing it. However, you are measuring the power of Jesus Christ, who created the universe and everything in it by merely human standards. He knows all of this and as the Bible says 'the truth will set you free.'

Luk 12:7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.
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So because I no longer fit in your paradigm, you judge me to be an unbeliever?
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So because I no longer fit in your paradigm, you judge me to be an unbeliever?
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counter Hm, maybe I'll have to look at this again?

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:takeheed: :blackcat: For those of you who would like to know more about the Rapture here are some interesting and well written Chick illustrated tracts on this important subject.

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Thanks for the links.
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History has been rewritten hundreds of times to fit the narrative of time of the editing ..... Books can be "trusted" as far as you can throw them. For every book presented, there's another one that will present the opposite.

You cannot base your belief system on ANY book. All have been manipulated, edited to fit the agenda.

That's the world we live in.
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


:pinkballoon: I can see how what you saying sounds reasonable enough from the point of view of an unbeliever.

And sadly it's substantially true, but there will be people in hell for doing it. However, you are measuring the power of Jesus Christ, who created the universe and everything in it by merely human standards. He knows all of this and as the Bible says 'the truth will set you free.'

Luk 12:7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.
 Quoting: Judethz


So because I no longer fit in your paradigm, you judge me to be an unbeliever?
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


you are a bullshitter imo

preach Jesus since you claim to be a Christian

but you dont

just bullshit from you lady
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Christianity is a cult
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History has been rewritten hundreds of times to fit the narrative of time of the editing ..... Books can be "trusted" as far as you can throw them. For every book presented, there's another one that will present the opposite.

You cannot base your belief system on ANY book. All have been manipulated, edited to fit the agenda.

That's the world we live in.
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


:pinkballoon: I can see how what you saying sounds reasonable enough from the point of view of an unbeliever.

And sadly it's substantially true, but there will be people in hell for doing it. However, you are measuring the power of Jesus Christ, who created the universe and everything in it by merely human standards. He knows all of this and as the Bible says 'the truth will set you free.'

Luk 12:7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.
 Quoting: Judethz


So because I no longer fit in your paradigm, you judge me to be an unbeliever?
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


you are a bullshitter imo

preach Jesus since you claim to be a Christian

but you dont

just bullshit from you lady
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mmmmmmmmmkay. That's a deep analysis from looking at things I write.

I am not a christian. If you read what I write you would see that.

Do I preach *Jesus* ? no, absolutely not. Not as christianity or messi's are indoctrinated. But no one, like you, really wants to hear what I say, and rather chooses to damn me instead of having a humble heart to hear.

It's ok. We all have free will.
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will take place....
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The 'scene' of the "tribulation saints" in Revelation 20 is AFTER Satan has been cast into the pit for a thousand years.

That is NOT BEFORE the End Times Tribulation

Revelation 20:4

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Revelation 20:2-7 KJV

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him,

that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were

beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast,
neither his image,
neither had received his mark
upon their foreheads, or in their hands;


and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
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The tares are removed first.

Matthew 13

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

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The tares are removed AFTER the 1,000 year reign of Mashiyach. Technically there are TWO events. AFTER the tribulation, Mashiyach returns and those of us that made it through will meet those that did NOT make it through in the air and return with YeHoVaH/Yeshua Mashiyach as HIS FEET land BACK on the Mount of Olives. We will then rule and reign from the Original Boundaries of Yisrael and ALL nations will be put in subjection. hasatan is bound for 1,000 year and the tares will grow up during this period. When hasatan is let loose for one last time, he and the tares will come against us, but be removed/destroyed from the earth.

There is NO "pre-tribulation rapture"!

There is NO such thing as the "church", and we are brought into TRUE Yisrael by Yeshua. "church" means called out ones. COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE!!!

The terms "old and new testament" are a LIE from Marcion.

Toss your commentaries, traditions, and teachings of the "church fathers" and seek the ANCIENT PATHS that Yeshua and His Original Talmid/Taught Ones/Disciples walked in.


Shabbat Shalom...

Baruch Haba B'Shem YeHoVaH!!!

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Sorry, I was logged out...

hf
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"Proof that the Tribulation is NOT Gods Wrath"

6th Seal is the 'dividing line' between Tribulation and Wrath.

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Shabat Shalom!
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It is ridiculous this idea of being Raptured and leaving the clothes behind.

In the book Project World Evacuation says that the Levitation Beam is like a vacuum cleaning, the person is sucked as she is, clothes included.
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History has been rewritten hundreds of times to fit the narrative of time of the editing ..... Books can be "trusted" as far as you can throw them. For every book presented, there's another one that will present the opposite.

You cannot base your belief system on ANY book. All have been manipulated, edited to fit the agenda.

That's the world we live in.
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


blackcat Well if I was you I wouldn't recommend trying that one on, on Judgement Day. Our God is omniscient and the truth is in the Bible.
So be warned: that kind of easy 'one size fits all' excuse is just not going to make it.

..victoryI
ppost

Isa 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
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History has been rewritten hundreds of times to fit the narrative of time of the editing ..... Books can be "trusted" as far as you can throw them. For every book presented, there's another one that will present the opposite.

You cannot base your belief system on ANY book. All have been manipulated, edited to fit the agenda.

That's the world we live in.
 Quoting: Satya Revelations


:blackcat: Well if I was you I wouldn't recommend trying that one on, on Judgement Day. Our God is omniscient and the truth is in the Bible.
So be warned: that kind of easy 'one size fits all' excuse is just not going to make it.

..:victoryI:
:ppost:

Isa 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
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yassuh, massah Judethz
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The Souls under the altar in Revelation 6. It seems fairly obvious that these folks do NOT have their 'resurrected bodies' that are given at the Rapture.

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
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Sooooo……. I still have time?

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Maybe..

If you are very fortunate, after the Rapture, you will have a chance to reconsider,

at which point, your testimony of Faith will cost you your head

and send you straight to Your Appointment with Him.

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“Testimony of faith”..??

So you’re saying I would be required to grovel in the dirt and beg to be forgiven for my so-called “sins”, and probably have to make some fear-based declaration of “loving Jesus” (under threat of being tortured and burned alive…. forever), right?

Yeah, no thanks. I think I’m going to opt out of all that.

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It works this way, we all sin, we just don't like saying we do, so you think saying the truth about yourself to the one who already knew everything about you is groveling how strange. Anyway, it being sorry for those things when in truth they cause all kinds of trouble in your life and you think it from other things. Know it from committing sins i.e. wrongdoings that harm your soul and others. You talk to him in private because no one else can do anything to either make you or really help you to do so, it is one-on-one things. May God Bless you with some type of understanding of the real truth about how to find your relationship with God Jesus is the one you go to, he takes your burden and it lifts a weight off your shoulders and he picks them up and they are light as a feather to him, he already paid that price for this very thing.

I will say this, you do change for the better the more you understand and learn do not just trust everyone else, and study. Ask the Lord for wisdom because that is the only real wisdom, ask him for the understanding of the things you do not know, and he will help you. And don't think you will not be tempted because Satan is for sure coming after you to put a large tree, ocean, volcano, and all the people you know as stumbling blocks. You have to know; you have to be strong in your being and not a weakling like most who think they are alright when they don't ask for wisdom or the knowledge to find the answers. I am not a minister I am a believer in the Lord God and his Son who walked this earth and brought the living word of God, because God sent him, yes, he literally walked on the streets of Israel. Even archaeologists are finding out more about him every day.

It is the promise the Lord God made way back to the fall of Adam and Eve, the line came from the seed of Eve. This part always makes me think because Man Adam was created first and Eve came from him, we the promise was to Eve her seed Jesus wound step on the head of the serpent Satan, and Eve is Mary who born Jesus the second Adam, the son of God. For all, I know Adam could have been involved with it too. It is just similar but it also does linage of Jesus in the New Testament back through Mary to Adam and Eve and Adam was the Son of God, that is true. If Adam and Mary didn't make it to heaven at an earlier date their line Brought their deliverance with their Son or linage wise a very long line of Sons. They would have resurrected when he went to set the prisoner free, the First Resurrection. All that was waiting from the Old Testament time who knew of his coming were waiting. They all came back and walked the streets with Jesus in his return. I guess they also went to heaven later. They walked and talked with the people there, not just Jesus.
Sorry I got a headache

These are the times that tries men's and
women's souls!

May we come though it victorious!
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It works this way, we all sin, we just don't like saying we do,..........................................
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flo6awbow Thank you that was a very well thought out reply. Satya Revelations I hope you read that.
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It works this way, we all sin, we just don't like saying we do,..........................................
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:flo6a::wbow: Thank you that was a very well thought out reply. Satya Revelations I hope you read that.
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There you go, jumping on the bandwagon of those who judge me.

Of course I read it and I don't disagree with it. I would say the same thing, just in a different way.

There massah judithz. Are you happy? Or are you distressed and will continue to judge me because I don't use christianese lingo?

I just understand the message, the process and the act of living Yahshua's laws and teachings differently than the rest of you do.

So go ahead....... judge away. I'll never be worthy of YOU massah judithz.
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It works this way, we all sin, we just don't like saying we do,..........................................
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:flo6a::wbow: Thank you that was a very well thought out reply. Satya Revelations I hope you read that.
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There you go, jumping on the bandwagon of those who judge me.

Of course I read it and I don't disagree with it. I would say the same thing, just in a different way.

There massah judithz. Are you happy? Or are you distressed and will continue to judge me because I don't use christianese lingo?

I just understand the message, the process and the act of living Yahshua's laws and teachings differently than the rest of you do.

So go ahead....... judge away. I'll never be worthy of YOU massah judithz.
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In fact for shites and giggles, how about I say what he said (most of it) under my understanding and you all can do a comparison? what say YOU massuh judithz?
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So, let's say the concept of pre-trib rapture turns out to be inaccurate: have you prepared yourself to endure persecution, or will you be part of
Revelation 24: 9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted(J) and put to death,(K) and you will be hated by all nations because of me.(L) 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other."

The mental theological gymnastics required to explain away the very conclusive and definitive language Jesus used throughout (not just the scriptures I quoted) Matthew 24 to explain the believer's persecution at the end times is mind-blowing.

He even said, in that chapter 29“Immediately after the distress of those days

“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’(AD)

30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven"

After that distress. After.

How John Darby was able to deceive the entire religion with pre-trib rapture theology is indicative that we are indeed in the end times, for 2 Timothy 4: 3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears.

The itching ears in this case being the unwillingness to stand firm in the face of terrible persecution.
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That just stands in the clouds taking up 2 billion people fully dressed and all that.. is the most horrid lie in Christianity. The clouds are not heaven.. they are cold.. the air is not breathable enough to sustain your body... there is no food in them.. and gravity will make you go splat... and that won't be pretty when you hit.. it is time to come out of the absurd people.

If you go up.. its like thisufo56ufo56ufo56 and you clothes will go with you. and will not be found neatly folded on your bed.. that is a absurd thing for the LEFT BEHIND BOOK S.

it is time to learn to think

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Yea though I walk thru the valley of gross inability to recognize the absurd ..lies...propaganda and dark shits... I will fear it all NOT.. for THOU ART WITH ME. AND JESUS SAID ON THE CROSS.. FORGIVE THEM FATHER.. THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO
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There massah judithz. Are you happy? Or are you distressed and will continue to judge me because I don't use christianese lingo?

 Quoting: Satya Revelations


nordicspear It's not my place to judge anyone I didn't create you, what happens after this life is between you

and the Lord. I hope that you're not thinking that you can reincarnate as a fruit fly or something in your "next life," as many Buddhists seem
to think. Because this life is it, and after that, your destiny is either upstairs or downstairs for the rest of eternity.
I'll pray that the Lord gives you a chance to become a Tribulation Saint after the Rapture and you realize that you were wrong. That of course is in no way guaranteed, but who knows?
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There massah judithz. Are you happy? Or are you distressed and will continue to judge me because I don't use christianese lingo?

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:nordicspear: It's not my place to judge anyone I didn't create you, what happens after this life is between you

and the Lord. I hope that you're not thinking that you can reincarnate as a fruit fly or something in your "next life," as many Buddhists seem
to think. Because this life is it, and after that, your destiny is either upstairs or downstairs for the rest of eternity.
I'll pray that the Lord gives you a chance to become a Tribulation Saint after the Rapture and you realize that you were wrong. That of course is in no way guaranteed, but who knows?
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funny you post a pic of (your)self throwing a lance at me!!!

Anyway, do you want to read what I wrote?
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You know i love you sister. But you are entering dangerous grounds. Even though you have not set a date for His return. You have prepped that by making a claim about the 17th.

There is no secret return of the Lord scripture is very clear about this.yes there will be safety for believer's who stay not in Babylon according to rev 12. But it is no rapture.

The rapture camp has so many variations it already shows tgere is contusion there. And scripture is also very specific about that.

Its wonderful you are warning people about things to come.

YAHshua bless you Amen

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There massah judithz. Are you happy? Or are you distressed and will continue to judge me because I don't use christianese lingo?

 Quoting: Satya Revelations


nordicspear It's not my place to judge anyone I didn't create you, what happens after this life is between you

and the Lord. I hope that you're not thinking that you can reincarnate as a fruit fly or something in your "next life," as many Buddhists seem
to think. Because this life is it, and after that, your destiny is either upstairs or downstairs for the rest of eternity.
I'll pray that the Lord gives you a chance to become a Tribulation Saint after the Rapture and you realize that you were wrong. That of course is in no way guaranteed, but who knows?
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Actually scripture says we are to judge righteous judgment. And to avoid unrighteous judgement because tge consequences are severe.

Better we pray for satya R deliverance and salvation with beginning of wisdom . If you are prepared to say Amen Lord YAHshua
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05/22/2022 10:11 AM
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Re: The Rapture and the Tribulation Saints.
There massah judithz. Are you happy? Or are you distressed and will continue to judge me because I don't use christianese lingo?

 Quoting: Satya Revelations


:nordicspear: It's not my place to judge anyone I didn't create you, what happens after this life is between you

and the Lord. I hope that you're not thinking that you can reincarnate as a fruit fly or something in your "next life," as many Buddhists seem
to think. Because this life is it, and after that, your destiny is either upstairs or downstairs for the rest of eternity.
I'll pray that the Lord gives you a chance to become a Tribulation Saint after the Rapture and you realize that you were wrong. That of course is in no way guaranteed, but who knows?
 Quoting: Judethz


Actually scripture says we are to judge righteous judgment. And to avoid unrighteous judgement because tge consequences are severe.

Better we pray for satya R deliverance and salvation with beginning of wisdom . If you are prepared to say Amen Lord YAHshua
 Quoting: FHL(C)

Please respect my wishes, and do not infringe on my free will.... i respectfully request you do NOT pray for me, in any fashion or manner, whether by intent silently, or spoken word or in any way.

Thank you.





GLP