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The Rapture and the Tribulation Saints.

 
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takeheed blackcat For those of you who would like to know more about the Rapture here are some interesting and well written Chick illustrated tracts on this important subject.

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I recommend the Bible - not tracts
ALL relevant scriptures that include a time factor prove no pre-trib rapture. Over 50 verses! Kindle Edition only 99 CENTS! Biblical Eschatological “Time-Stamps” Relevant to the Last Day/Days (Amazon)
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Behold, I am telling you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52

For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of everything that He has given Me I will lose nothing, but will raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.” John 6:38-40

No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:44
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Rev 14:9-13
9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” 12 Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, “Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!’” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them.”
Note: God’s saints are still present during the wrath, which is limited to those who worship the beast. (There is no mention of any resurrection/rapture before this – it is assumed by many – but only assumed)
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bridec The Age of Grace is very nearly over, very soon the Rapture brideA

will take place. The Restrainer will be taken out of the way and horrors and mass death worse than any of us can imagine will engulf the world in a flood of darkness.
The Satanists who rule this earth for a short season know this. On Tuesday, May 17th there will be "disclosure" in Congress, in the first public hearings regarding UFOs for over 50 years. The real reason for this is that they know that the public will be crying out for answers after the Rapture takes place in front of their eyes. Many of us know that the true purpose of such shows as Star Wars, Star Treck and so on is to draw people away from the Lord. 2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. They will continue to lie about the Rapture after it happens, and the sad truth is that huge numbers of people have been made ready to believe their lies.
The Tribulation Saints will be people who were for whatever reason were not right with the Lord before the Rapture. Lukewarm Christians, Agnostics, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and many others from all walks of life and throughout the world. Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But be warned, nothing is guaranteed. Your life could be snuffed out in an instant from a nuclear bomb, or some other means before you even get the chance to become a Tribulation Saint
Remember that the Rapture can happen at any moment, in the twinkling of an eye. You have still been blessed with a little time, so if you have not made your self right with the Lord, turn to Him now with all your heart and He will be quick to hear you. But don't take all day about it, you could be hit by a bus tomorrow and then where would you be?
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Judeths.. this is baloney.. not the reality of how and what eternal life is. Go watch some old star trek episodes which were very educational.
Yea though I walk thru the valley of gross inability to recognize the absurd ..lies...propaganda and dark shits... I will fear it all NOT.. for THOU ART WITH ME. AND JESUS SAID ON THE CROSS.. FORGIVE THEM FATHER.. THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO
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Paul is clear that..................................................
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german7 In the end we are all responsible for the fate of our own souls. Many people like No Dhimi are offended by what the Bible preaches and from there it is a short step to changing the clear meaning of the Bible so as to try to make it fit in with the lies that they have come to believe in...and want you to believe in.
Here are some of the many passages throughout the Bible that support the Rapture.

Because you have kept My command to persevere,
I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth.


Revelation 3:10


In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.


John 14:2,3


Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.

For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.



Isaiah 26:20:21


Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the LORD's anger.



Zephaniah 2:3


For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion
;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.



Psalms 27:5


"Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?
Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.
Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.
But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,'
and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,
the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites
. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."



Matthew 28:44-51


But take heed to yourselves,
lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly.

For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.



Luke 21:34-36


For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest you should be wise in your own opinion,
that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.


Romans 11:25


Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


1Corinthians 15:50-53


It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord:
I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know,
God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven.
And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows—
how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.


2Corinthians 12:1-4


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Sooooo……. I still have time?

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Maybe..

If you are very fortunate, after the Rapture, you will have a chance to reconsider,

at which point, your testimony of Faith will cost you your head

and send you straight to Your Appointment with Him.

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Judeths.. this is baloney.. not the reality of how and what eternal life is. Go watch some old star trek episodes which were very educational.

 Quoting: Mother Maggie


No, your shitrantia book and the fake multiple sons is what is not reality

star trek is fiction as in NOT REAL....it comes from the imagination of writers....its not based in reality.

regardless, the rapture/resurrection event is NOT for you or your cult members. It is for those who belong to Jesus----GODs only begotten son.
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Thread: Here we go....RAPTURE TARDS TURNING TO SATAN FOR RAPTURE PREDICTION. A NEW LOW FOR THEM.
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Sooooo……. I still have time?

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Maybe..

If you are very fortunate, after the Rapture, you will have a chance to reconsider,

at which point, your testimony of Faith will cost you your head

and send you straight to Your Appointment with Him.

.
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“Testimony of faith”..??

So you’re saying I would be required to grovel in the dirt and beg to be forgiven for my so-called “sins”, and probably have to make some fear-based declaration of “loving Jesus” (under threat of being tortured and burned alive…. forever), right?

Yeah, no thanks. I think I’m going to opt out of all that.

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“Mental slavery is the worst form of slavery.
It gives you the illusion of freedom,
makes you trust, love, and defend your oppressor,
while making an enemy of those
who are trying to free you or open your eyes.”
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“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.”
-Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

“You have been programmed to resist the very person that is here to set you free, from the prison of your Mind... You are not free... everything you are has been manufactured by Minds that have not your best interest. You are imprisoned by beliefs and not reality. Religions are mental programs to imprison your Mind.”

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Paul is clear that..................................................
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german7 In the end we are all responsible for the fate of our own souls. Many people like No Dhimi are offended by what the Bible preaches and from there it is a short step to changing the clear meaning of the Bible so as to try to make it fit in with the lies that they have come to believe in...and want you to believe in.
Here are some of the many passages throughout the Bible that support the Rapture.

Because you have kept My command to persevere,
I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth.


Revelation 3:10


In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.


John 14:2,3


Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.

For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.



Isaiah 26:20:21


Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the LORD's anger.



Zephaniah 2:3


For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion
;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.



Psalms 27:5


"Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?
Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.
Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.
But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,'
and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,
the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites
. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."



Matthew 28:44-51


But take heed to yourselves,
lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly.

For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.



Luke 21:34-36


For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest you should be wise in your own opinion,
that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.


Romans 11:25


Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


1Corinthians 15:50-53


It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord:
I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know,
God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven.
And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows—
how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.


2Corinthians 12:1-4


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 Quoting: Judethz


It is all hubris to claim I am offended by what the Bible preaches - I do not ignore any verse as you do. The Biblical Eschatological “Time-Stamps” Relevant to the Last Day/Days I include above prove the post-trib view. Your verses do not prove the pre-trib error.
Your baseless attack on my Biblical position reveals your intellectually dishonest methods - you push Chick tracts to buttress your unbiblical understanding.
No where do I show I am offended by any Scripture. I call on you to repent for your lying and derogatory methods.

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blinkerrose For those of you who would like a good introduction to

the Rapture, here is an excellent video from Melissia of Midnight Hour Oil. [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Sadly, only 5 of the virgins had oil in their lamps…

That always troubles me…

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Regardless of the day, saints.

May we be found with oil in our lamps…

Our joy and our hope is in Him.

God bless you, brothers and sisters.

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The day of the Lord is quite separate from the Rapture. Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light
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Show us the scripture that proves that.

You can't.

"Day of the Lord" is "the day of Christ"

The phrase "day of Christ" occurs 3 times in 3 verses in the KJV.

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The phrase "day of the Lord" occurs 25 times in 23 verses in the KJV.

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Hey ausie, time to get your head out of your keister.

250 reasons you are WRONG!

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I always thought the average protestant's pining for a rapture had more than a little bit of 'holier than thou' or 'let the heathens burn' attitude to it, which is not Christ like at all.

If Jesus wished for all to be saved, why do you not?

Why do you want to be whisked away, letting everyone else suffer?
"We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ."
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Sooooo……. I still have time?

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Maybe..

If you are very fortunate, after the Rapture, you will have a chance to reconsider,

at which point, your testimony of Faith will cost you your head

and send you straight to Your Appointment with Him.

.
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“Testimony of faith”..??

So you’re saying I would be required to grovel in the dirt and beg to be forgiven for my so-called “sins”, and probably have to make some fear-based declaration of “loving Jesus” (under threat of being tortured and burned alive…. forever), right?

Yeah, no thanks. I think I’m going to opt out of all that.

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If you remain among the living and still have the choice, you will h ave no reason to refuse the Mark of the Beast.
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Again - I suggest the actual BIBLE, not videos. Judethz continues to ignore the council of the WHOLE WORD OF GOD on this subject.
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For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little.


Isaiah 28:10


Because you have kept My command to persevere,
I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth.


Revelation 3:10


In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.


John 14:2,3


Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.

For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.



Isaiah 26:20:21


Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the LORD's anger.



Zephaniah 2:3


For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion
;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.



Psalms 27:5


"Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?
Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.
Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.
But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,'
and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,
the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites
. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."



Matthew 28:44-51


But take heed to yourselves,
lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly.

For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.



Luke 21:34-36


For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest you should be wise in your own opinion,
that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.


Romans 11:25


Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


1Corinthians 15:50-53


It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord:
I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know,
God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven.
And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows—
how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.


2Corinthians 12:1-4


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No pre-trib rapture, retard


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That's what you say. That's your blessing...

We'll see what Jesus says...


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blackcat The Day of the Lord/Last Trump and the Rapture are two quite separate and distinct events. First, read what Amos says about the conditions that will exist on the Day of the Lord. Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light Then compare them to conditions on the Day of the Rapture. People were slumbering and sleeping. Merchants who sell oil were open for business.
It's 'a bit of a stretch to think that people will be sleeping and shops open for business on The Day of the Lord, like it's just another day.



wisevirgins1bridec The wise Christian is one who believes what the Bible says and who has put all of their trust in the Lord for their salvation. We all fail everyday, but we pick ourselves up and keep on going because we know that that wonderful day is fast approaching.
The foolish Christian is one who listens to lying preachers, is distracted by the cares of this world, and was likely never more than a lukewarm believer in the first place.

Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five [were] foolish.

Mat 25:3 They that [were] foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, [Not so]; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.


Remember that the Rapture can happen at any moment, in the twinkling of an eye. You have still been blessed with a little time, so if you have not made your self right with the Lord, turn to Him now with all your heart and He will be quick to hear you. But don't take all day about it, you could be hit by a bus tomorrow and then where would you be?

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For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little.


Isaiah 28:10


Because you have kept My command to persevere,
I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth.


Revelation 3:10


In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.


John 14:2,3


Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.

For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.



Isaiah 26:20:21


Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the LORD's anger.



Zephaniah 2:3


For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion
;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.



Psalms 27:5


"Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?
Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.
Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.
But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,'
and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,
the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites
. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."



Matthew 28:44-51


But take heed to yourselves,
lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly.

For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.



Luke 21:34-36


For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest you should be wise in your own opinion,
that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.


Romans 11:25


Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


1Corinthians 15:50-53


It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord:
I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know,
God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven.
And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows—
how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.


2Corinthians 12:1-4


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We note she is removing some post - and I note these are scriptures proving her wrong.
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:jbase: The Last Trump that you are referring to in 1 Corinthians 15:52 and the Trump of God referred to in 1Th 4:16 are two separate events.
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Lol

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:flute: Humph. Maybe it's just me, but 1... I take the last trump to mean that there are no more after it. 2...The trump referred to in 1Th 4:16 obviously must take place before the last trump.
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There's no reason to follow that logic.

What you are claiming is a "pre trib rapture" is actually the Last Day.. the end of the world, the trumpet will sound, God will give a shout and raise everything up ... both the righteous and the wicked.. Dan 12:1-3

"We shall all be changed".. 1 Cor 15:51

That's the rapture.

Deal with it.
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This is all a figment of your imagination.
Deal with it.

The only thing the OP left out was a date by which we could enshrine this post in the GLP Failure Hall of Shame.
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^ You dont love Jesus Christ, do you?
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For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little.


Isaiah 28:10



Because you have kept My command to persevere,
I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world,
to test those who dwell on the earth.


Revelation 3:10


In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.


John 14:2,3


Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.

For behold, the LORD comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.



Isaiah 26:20:21


Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the LORD's anger.



Zephaniah 2:3


For in the time of trouble
He shall hide me in His pavilion
;
In the secret place of His tabernacle
He shall hide me;
He shall set me high upon a rock.



Psalms 27:5


"Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?
Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.
Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.
But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,'
and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,
the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites
. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."



Matthew 28:44-51


But take heed to yourselves,
lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and that Day come on you unexpectedly.

For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of Man.



Luke 21:34-36


For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest you should be wise in your own opinion,
that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.


Romans 11:25


Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


1Corinthians 15:50-53


It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord:
I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know,
God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven.
And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows—
how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.


2Corinthians 12:1-4


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29“But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all people of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. 31And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET BLAST, and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. Matthew 24:29-31
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This works better on a "flat Earth" model, not a globe.
Many years ago as I pondered this I found it confusing how a 93 million mile away sun and a 260,000 mile moon would be affected. Also the third of the stars. But, if the sun and moon are similar sized objects much closer to serve as the day luminary and the night luminary, it makes sense. As does the four corners of the Earth.
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The day of the Lord's anger" and "the day of the Lord cruel with fury and burning anger" are the same day.

You say the first Scripture is a different event than the second (wrong) because you're teaching false doctrine.putin-thiss
time is short,seek your maker.
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Whatever, the Earth abides forever. Are you imagining it not being the home for mankind? Because GOD was not wrong and he will fulfill His purpose to have a pleasant home for His human family once the Paradise is restored. If we were meant to be in heaven we would have been put there to start with.
Nor because Satan tried to ruin his plan by attempting to take Earth and rule man himself in evil and rebellion, would God allow him to win and abandon his lovely Creation.

The entire Bible teaches how GOD is proving Satan a liar and that his rule over man is a disaster. But, that GOD has a plan to restore rightful sovereign rule on Earth. Clearly we see that Satan and his human minions are doing a horrible job of ruling Earth and we should put our trust in GOD to resolve this in his own correct time.
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I always thought the average protestant's pining for a rapture had more than a little bit of 'holier than thou' or 'let the heathens burn' attitude to it, which is not Christ like at all.

If Jesus wished for all to be saved, why do you not?

Why do you want to be whisked away, letting everyone else suffer?
 Quoting: BLACK GHOST


Excellent question.

They claim to be “loving and peaceful”, yet they salivate at the mouth at the thought of people being tortured and burned alive.

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Watch therefore, and pray always

that you may be counted worthy

to escape all these things that will come to pass
,

and to stand before the Son of Man.



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