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You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?

 
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You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
I see all your questions.. "what happens to the grid when it's over capacity?" , "how will there be enough charging stations?" , "what you going to do when you need a new battery?" etc etc

well the thing you all don't seem to get is that lithium batteries are just a temporary patch until the right technology is mass produced.

Of course, cars of the future will be electric motor, there is no doubt about it. In every aspect they make combustion engines look less favourable, from design to use to repair.

will combustions engines go extinct? never. there will always be a use of some kind for the crude oil products and there will always be a need to use up the rest of the crude oil spectrum.

It's not like they're going to extract the paraffin , naphtha and a few others and shove the rest of the constituents back into a hole in the ground.

Think about it.

Take a look at what is made from crude oils. all the way from the heaviest product in it, to the lightest product in it. from solids to gases. There is no way that all those products have suitable alternatives and they all come together in the form of crude oil, there is no obtaining naphtha without obtaining kerosene too. it would either need disposing of or put into indefinite storage.

So think now, do you really believe the entire petrochemical industry is going to stop producing all its products ? Do you honestly believe we can produce any of the things we rely on today without plastic?

1) Crude oil is not going away.
2) Lithium batteries are to carry us through to metal hydrides for safe storage of hydrogen.
3) Electric vehicles
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
EV's are about tyrannical government control over our free movement, not reliability or environment. No remote kill switch on my 1985 c10 truck. Invest in rope, pitchforks and matches. The revolution is coming.
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EV's are about tyrannical government control over our free movement, not reliability or environment. No remote kill switch on my 1985 c10 truck. Invest in rope, pitchforks and matches. The revolution is coming.
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
my '99 jeep will be running long after the NWO agents are rounded up for treason.
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
Sounded smart until you failed to bring up bio fuel.

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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
Sounded smart until you failed to bring up bio fuel.

IYKYK
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Hydrogen is the future. stored in bob lazar metal hydride storage systems. hydrogen burning engines for big power or electric motors using hydrogen fuel cells.
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
Sounded smart until you failed to bring up bio fuel.

IYKYK
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plus bio fuel is way too costly, the amount of land needed is such a waste.
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
Sounded smart until you failed to bring up bio fuel.

IYKYK
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Hydrogen is the future. stored in bob lazar metal hydride storage systems. hydrogen burning engines for big power or electric motors using hydrogen fuel cells.
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
Toyota has known this for decades and they are far ahead of anyone else in the development.
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
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Biden and co have definitely done the math on this one.
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
Toyota has known this for decades and they are far ahead of anyone else in the development.
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Toyota will partner up with a metal hydride hydrogen "battery" company like lavo australia and end up making a vehicle that has a combustion engine and safe storage of hydrogen, knocking telsa out of the market.
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
I believe you are incorrect, OP.

The electric motor is a much superior motor to the combustion engine.

The problem is not the engine, it is the powerplant.

If this wasn't battery powered care shit wasn't a scam, the country would be engaged in a long term program to develop the Hydrogen-Fuel Cell...which then replace the battery as the powerplant for the electric motor.

But, there is no short-term profit in that for the scamsters.

To me, this should be the Republican position:

1. You are overstating the case for climate change. If it is happening at all (which lacks real evidence), it is a slow process.
2. Therefore we will stop all this regulation and manipulation of markets and tax rates and allow unfettered gas and motors.
3. In the meantime, the country will start financing a long term solution of developing Hydrogen-Fuel Cell technology. Like the space program, it will take a technology that is 100 years out and reduce it down to 20 years as a goal.

-This shuts up climate nuts, and gives a sensible response that the middle of the road people can accept.
-This becomes a new focus like the space program was.
-I think most people in the know understand hydrogen power is the long term future answer.
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
overnight, fuelling stations would be pointless, all those tankers not needed to deliver fuel as everyone could split water at home and charge up the tanks of the car.

the power grid will obviously always face the same fate. but that was always inevitable.
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
I believe you are incorrect, OP.

The electric motor is a much superior motor to the combustion engine.

The problem is not the engine, it is the powerplant.

If this wasn't battery powered care shit wasn't a scam, the country would be engaged in a long term program to develop the Hydrogen-Fuel Cell...which then replace the battery as the powerplant for the electric motor.

But, there is no short-term profit in that for the scamsters.

To me, this should be the Republican position:

1. You are overstating the case for climate change. If it is happening at all (which lacks real evidence), it is a slow process.
2. Therefore we will stop all this regulation and manipulation of markets and tax rates and allow unfettered gas and motors.
3. In the meantime, the country will start financing a long term solution of developing Hydrogen-Fuel Cell technology. Like the space program, it will take a technology that is 100 years out and reduce it down to 20 years as a goal.

-This shuts up climate nuts, and gives a sensible response that the middle of the road people can accept.
-This becomes a new focus like the space program was.
-I think most people in the know understand hydrogen power is the long term future answer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82859418


we already have the tech on the market.

lavo australia have a safe hydrogen storage tanks that bob lazar showed us in his car all those years ago and toyota have hydrogen engines and tesla has great electric motors and we have high power working hydrogen fuels cells to turn the hydrogen into electric. it's all finally ready.


we're getting hydrogen cars, finally.
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
Tesla will be bankrupt in three years and Elon will still be a mega-billionaire. He bought Twitter with a plan.
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
I believe you are incorrect, OP.

The electric motor is a much superior motor to the combustion engine.

The problem is not the engine, it is the powerplant.

If this wasn't battery powered care shit wasn't a scam, the country would be engaged in a long term program to develop the Hydrogen-Fuel Cell...which then replace the battery as the powerplant for the electric motor.

But, there is no short-term profit in that for the scamsters.

To me, this should be the Republican position:

1. You are overstating the case for climate change. If it is happening at all (which lacks real evidence), it is a slow process.
2. Therefore we will stop all this regulation and manipulation of markets and tax rates and allow unfettered gas and motors.
3. In the meantime, the country will start financing a long term solution of developing Hydrogen-Fuel Cell technology. Like the space program, it will take a technology that is 100 years out and reduce it down to 20 years as a goal.

-This shuts up climate nuts, and gives a sensible response that the middle of the road people can accept.
-This becomes a new focus like the space program was.
-I think most people in the know understand hydrogen power is the long term future answer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82859418


yeah it really pissed me off when Trump trashed the EV Industry.

He's not very Intelligent, If he would have said something like you just said.

He would have had a lot more supporters.
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
Tesla will be bankrupt in three years and Elon will still be a mega-billionaire. He bought Twitter with a plan.
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tesla's stock will be 2500 per share by 2030

dream on
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
Oil is not the enemy.

Those that say that oil is the enemy are the enemy.
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
Oil is not the enemy.

Those that say that oil is the enemy are the enemy.
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its not an enemy but its also not an endless resource

there are 6 billion people on the planet and they all want

a new car.
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
Oil is not the enemy.

Those that say that oil is the enemy are the enemy.
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its not an enemy but its also not an endless resource

there are 6 billion people on the planet and they all want

a new car.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79173944


oil is endless as far as we can tell.
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
batteries explode
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
Sounded smart until you failed to bring up bio fuel.

IYKYK
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plus bio fuel is way too costly, the amount of land needed is such a waste.
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Hemp.
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
OP, you are right. Combustion engines not going away.

What is likely to happen is this:
The government will declare Crude Oil to be a hazardous chemical.
They will enact legislation making oil and it's byproducts illegal to possess and handle
without a special license.
Further, the 'Sheep' and their children will be told to Fear Hydrocarbons (oil and it's byproducts),
so if you get a hold of 'some', you'll be immediately ratted out.(Think 'The War on Drugs')

At that point, everybody thinks "Well, I guess I'll drive an EV".
Wrong. By then, only the ultra wealthy will be able to afford an EV.


So, yea,
The grid won't go over capacity, There will be enough charging stations, and you won't need a new battery.
Because you'll be walking.


So, there's your (not to distant) future.
Please tell me how I'm wrong.
Most of you will be easily scared into this with a small limited nuclear exchange.
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
OP, you are right. Combustion engines not going away.

What is likely to happen is this:
The government will declare Crude Oil to be a hazardous chemical.
They will enact legislation making oil and it's byproducts illegal to possess and handle
without a special license.
Further, the 'Sheep' and their children will be told to Fear Hydrocarbons (oil and it's byproducts),
so if you get a hold of 'some', you'll be immediately ratted out.(Think 'The War on Drugs')

At that point, everybody thinks "Well, I guess I'll drive an EV".
Wrong. By then, only the ultra wealthy will be able to afford an EV.


So, yea,
The grid won't go over capacity, There will be enough charging stations, and you won't need a new battery.
Because you'll be walking.


So, there's your (not to distant) future.
Please tell me how I'm wrong.
Most of you will be easily scared into this with a small limited nuclear exchange.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78063540


bump
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
Toyota has known this for decades and they are far ahead of anyone else in the development.
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The terrorists choice past decade is toyota, or more.
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Re: You people realise that Lithium Batteries are just a stop gap for EVs and combustion engines are never going away?
Toyota has known this for decades and they are far ahead of anyone else in the development.
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The terrorists choice past decade is toyota, or more.
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lol The Toyota War of '87.

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When you build a car so good, the military says ok.





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