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The mystery of the missing bathrooms

 
McKracken

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04/04/2022 12:24 AM
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The mystery of the missing bathrooms
Many have heard the story about the Palace of Versailles not having had bathrooms. That's true and the common explanation is they "were forgotten" or not considered needed as outhouses were common at the time. But the same palace has an elaborate more than 15 miles long plumbing system for the garden fountains and lakes.

As partly solution they had wooden portable boxes. But that wasn't really sufficient and doesn't solve the mystery why such an elaborate building was lacking them.

In the "new world", there is the Ponce de Leon Hotel in St. Augustine, the oldest constant European settlement in Florida:

That luxury hotel (for its time around 1880) was also built without bathrooms for the rooms and only had one private bathroom for the owner's suite. It's said that they had public bathrooms on each floor, but that would be also surprising for a building specifically designed to be a luxury hotel.

What was going on there? Were those building originally not built for humans? Some are saying the builds are much older than the public construction date, but I'm not sure about that.

[I tried to post this a few minutes ago, but had some wikipedia links and other links which most likely auto-deleted it]
McKracken  (OP)

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04/04/2022 11:45 PM
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Re: The mystery of the missing bathrooms
No reply to this harmless non-political Spaming?

Maybe not many readers are aware about the history of the water flushed toilet:

In ancient Peru, for example Machu Picchu, Pisac, Ollantaytambo and comparable cities, they had shower rooms with flowing water and toilets, also with a constant water stream, all built from granite slabs with nice water-fall style stone "faucets" and soap niches in the stone wall. Those small rooms were attached directly at the normal houses or a few meters away.

Similar stone-constructed toilets with water flow existed in ancient Rome and Greece.

Then something happened and the concept of water flushed toilets and bathrooms disappeared and didn't exist during the time of construction of the Palace of Versailles. Also most medieval castles in Europe only had simple dry outhouses without the elaborate water flow seen in the past.
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04/04/2022 11:48 PM

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Re: The mystery of the missing bathrooms
i think there might of been no need to poo they must have some how gotten nutrient some other way and had no need of bathrooms
Nobody You Know

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04/04/2022 11:53 PM

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Re: The mystery of the missing bathrooms
The answer is nore simple than you think. They did not have modern plumbing like we do. Bathrooms smelled HORRIBLE! You didn't want a nice place to smell like that. They had designated areas far from living quarters to do their business.
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Re: The mystery of the missing bathrooms
No reply to this harmless non-political Spaming?

Maybe not many readers are aware about the history of the water flushed toilet:

In ancient Peru, for example Machu Picchu, Pisac, Ollantaytambo and comparable cities, they had shower rooms with flowing water and toilets, also with a constant water stream, all built from granite slabs with nice water-fall style stone "faucets" and soap niches in the stone wall. Those small rooms were attached directly at the normal houses or a few meters away.

Similar stone-constructed toilets with water flow existed in ancient Rome and Greece.

Then something happened and the concept of water flushed toilets and bathrooms disappeared and didn't exist during the time of construction of the Palace of Versailles. Also most medieval castles in Europe only had simple dry outhouses without the elaborate water flow seen in the past.
 Quoting: McKracken


So what, all these examples were isolated in both time and place in history so they all had their own customs. Outhouses or servants carrying chamber pots seems obvious in most cases. Not much of a mystery and certainly not justifying bringing aliens into it. LOL
McKracken  (OP)

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04/05/2022 12:14 AM
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Re: The mystery of the missing bathrooms
Do an image search with "roman water toilet" then with "palace of versailles toilets" and then with "medieval castle toilet".


The Roman style was almost the same as those in ancient Peru, both with flowing water as sewer below. The Peruvians had in addition those water flow style faucets directly in the room while the Romans used lead water pipes with valves for the public faucets on the streets.

There is some strange discontinuity between that ancient much better design than the dry and smelly medieval and Versailles workaround.
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04/05/2022 01:09 AM
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Re: The mystery of the missing bathrooms
Check out this guy’s YouTube channel.

Some similar interesting stuff.

ShiningLightIntoDarkP​laces

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04/05/2022 10:44 AM
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Re: The mystery of the missing bathrooms
Thank GOD for bathrooms!!!
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04/05/2022 11:05 AM
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Re: The mystery of the missing bathrooms
Check out this guy’s YouTube channel.

Some similar interesting stuff.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78840412


Wow!!

Salt Lake Airport!!!

shocked
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04/05/2022 11:26 AM
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Re: The mystery of the missing bathrooms
No reply to this harmless non-political Spaming?

Maybe not many readers are aware about the history of the water flushed toilet:

In ancient Peru, for example Machu Picchu, Pisac, Ollantaytambo and comparable cities, they had shower rooms with flowing water and toilets, also with a constant water stream, all built from granite slabs with nice water-fall style stone "faucets" and soap niches in the stone wall. Those small rooms were attached directly at the normal houses or a few meters away.

Similar stone-constructed toilets with water flow existed in ancient Rome and Greece.

Then something happened and the concept of water flushed toilets and bathrooms disappeared and didn't exist during the time of construction of the Palace of Versailles. Also most medieval castles in Europe only had simple dry outhouses without the elaborate water flow seen in the past.
 Quoting: McKracken


I read that South America had a decrease in rainfall leading to the decline of the Mayan civilization.

Possibly related?
McKracken  (OP)

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04/06/2022 12:18 AM
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Re: The mystery of the missing bathrooms
Check out this guy’s YouTube channel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78840412


Jon Levi points out some interesting details with his videos and he has is own special style. Some of his conclusions are false, but that doesn't invalidate the others he presents.

The Airport sign on top of the tabernacle roof is a modern addition for the small airport which existed already between 1900 and 1920 exactly 3 miles west in the direction of the arrow painted on the roof. Look up Salt Lake City airport.

If some of those old buildings were created before the 19th century civilization which populated the city from then onwards, it would explain some mysteries. Maybe the contractors and architects weren't humans with their normal metabolism.

There is also a story that some large family mansions in British-time India of the 19th century were very elaborately built, but as toilet they used a place in the garden between the vegetation. Though I'm not sure if that's true. Ancient Indian palaces definitely had similar toilets like in ancient Rome and Peru.
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Re: The mystery of the missing bathrooms
I think it's for the same reason we never see toilets in movie-series like star trek and such...

just joking of course

chuckle

ps: maybe those buildings really have been built by a former highly advanced civilization...
McKracken  (OP)

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04/06/2022 12:28 AM
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Re: The mystery of the missing bathrooms
I read that South America had a decrease in rainfall leading to the decline of the Mayan civilization.
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There is some catastrophic event recorded in the famous Dresden Codex. Something definitely happened there shortly before the Europeans arrived. Same, further south in today's Peru and Bolivia, local climate change occurred which lead to the local population's civil war and explains why it was relatively easy for the small number of Europeans to rise up quickly.
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04/06/2022 12:31 AM
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Re: The mystery of the missing bathrooms
Chamber pots and people ate and drank less
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Re: The mystery of the missing bathrooms
i think there might of been no need to poo they must have some how gotten nutrient some other way and had no need of bathrooms
 Quoting: dean007


clappa
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04/06/2022 01:20 AM
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Re: The mystery of the missing bathrooms
well that just stinks
ShiningLightIntoDarkP​laces

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Re: The mystery of the missing bathrooms
well that just stinks
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LOL!
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