Probably going to catch hell from a lot of you - why are we so against abortion?

I believe the point is that today, if you don't want to get pregnant, you have many avenues to choose from. Back in 1973, the only real choice you had was taking a birth control pill, which many could not take without injury to their own body. And of course, their was abstinence, but that never worked.

But today, you even have the "day after" pill.

Back in the early years of Roe vs Wade, when an abortion was wanted, it was still a horrible social more and one was ashamed & embarrassed to have to sink so low as to have to have an abortion.

Today, abortion is too easy & without any real consequences. All you have to have is the money. We all need to keep in mind WHY Planned Parenthood was started. It was NOT started to help woman get ahead. It was started to cull the Black population..

Margaret Sanger & Bill Gates daddy, started PP to prevent the Black population growth in America. It was an evil plan. It worked to destroy the very strong moral cohesiveness of the Black population. They created the breakdown of the Black family.

What they didn't bank on was that they would eventually destroy the White family too.

In order to restore morality, abortion has to be curtailed. Will this lead to more responsibility being taken? I have no idea if it will, but what I do know is that our American population will not survive unless we start producing live children. We are currently a dying population. I believe this is why they keep shipping in people from foreign lands. These are replacements for the Americans that aren't being born.

But then, this is just how I see it & what do I know? Not much.

chickens = humans in this fuked up retards mind.

The Slippery Slope

I remember when abortion was illegal. The pill was available and there were other methods of birth control.

Then the push for legalized abortion began. We heard sad tale after sad tale and suffered under the burden
of relentless stories of women dying in childbirth. We decided that well maybe in the case if the woman's life was in danger, it might be ok. Then the argument became what if the woman was raped, or what if the pregnancy was the result of incest? The old legal adage 'Tough cases make bad laws' went out the window, as rapes very seldom result in pregnsncy. Then abortion became defacto totally legal with a
a few restrictions which are widely bent, especially for young women.

There was a big flap few years ago over what the media glossed over as a certain type of late term abortion. They called it that because it is a gruesome method of killing a child (not a fetus) which is late term and perfectly capable of living on its own. Even up to the moment of leaving the birth canal. Alive. Healthy.

So many young people falsely believe that abortion is just scraping out some cells, but here is what it really is:

The birth is induced and proceeds normally until the child is partially born, the head is coming down the birth canal. At that point, the baby's head is crushed with metal forceps , the brains sucked out,and the body slides neatly out. That is the procedure that was entered into the Congressional Record during Congressional hearings on it. What they do now to kill the baby since selling baby brains is now so lucrative, I don't know.

This is a common and very profitable procedure, not a rarity.

The battle for post birth abortion has begun. When that one is won, the battle will begin to eliminate troublesome children, such as deformed or retarded, then probably they will go for the troublesome adults. I used to think the slope would get a little less slippery when it came to healthy adults, but with this new war, I see social media is pretty much in favor of torturing and killing captured enemies and even people in sympathy with the other side. When the war is finished, it will be easy to give a medical name to disposing of whoever..

Does anyone find it odd that it's acceptable for the woman to have the choice to birth or abort, but the child doesn't? Where's the choice in that? All parties must consent for this to be anywhere close to morally acceptable, amiright?

They hypocrisy

We consider a life gone when the heart stopped beating

When do we consider a life begins? When the heart starts beating

Right?

The Answer to your question is simple and quite evident.

ITS MURDER

Yeah, like those billboards you see on the way to Florida - something like 12 days, isn't it?

In the 70's we had the Save the Whales campaign.

In the 20's, it's time for us to have the Save the Babies campaign.

There have been abortion nurses come out and report some babies live through abortion. Not so much the ones ripped apart and taken out a piece at a time but mostly the ones who are murdered by the saline that burns them. They are placed in bowl and left to die. Some of them cry.

If it has to die then it was a life. A human life.

Because people aren't GOD!

It’s ironic those who are most against abortion are religious folks who believe in life after death. You’d think atheists who don’t believe we have eternal souls within us would want to protect and prolong life, while those who believe in life after death would be readier to let it go and let the soul move on toward better planes or better parents.

Apologies, I forget how fragile people can be when asked simple questions that challenge their beliefs.


I'll try to be more accepting of your feelings and be less rational in these threads.

As a basic human you should want to protect the one who cannot protect themselves. No one should have the right to dispose of a human life for convenience.

It’s murder. If you don’t think favorable of your neighborr do you kill them. A civilized society does not allow murder.

I agree with you. When abortion was illegal, it made it harder to do and society stood for life. Once they made it legal, it changed things. Unintended consequences. For example, I got pregnant and my husband wanted me to lose the baby. I had to stand up and fight for the child. Just a few years earlier, he would not have been so cruel about it. It opened people up to their darker side by legalizing it.

Also, I have wondered the same as you about mass immigration. Is it a cover-up for the loss that we have in the general population? Between lower birth rates and vaccine deaths, maybe they are allowing this so we don't notice the drop in population.

Not sure why I am commenting. This is such a charged subject.

I would offer a couple of thoughts though.

I believe that in general, government's powers should be limited to the extent possible. If you give government power to do the thing that you want, they also have the power to screw you somewhere else.

We are supposed to have separation of Church and State. (which makes me wonder why Churches are exempt from taxes).

The main objections against abortion in the first trimester typically are based upon religious beliefs that life, the soul and classification as a human being begin at conception.

But if you look at the situation from a criminal law point of view, the fetus would not be treated as human until one could logically make the case that the being is sentient and has cognitive capacity exceding that of say a tadpole. (otherwise it would be illegal to end the life of a brain-dead patient).

If you look at the situation with a view to keeping the mother from dying from sepsis or blood loss from a back alley abortion, you would be inclined to offer a legal alternative within the time frame that she can realize she is pregnant, yet before the embryo is sentient. (What I would call the path of least overall harm, which also sounds close to the medical oath).

The government (at least our government as it was framed in the Constitution), does not exist to force religious values on the population as a whole, even though Though "shall not kill" sounds similar to the laws against murder and homicide.

But we don't have laws against eating meat on Friday, and at least today, the Sunday Blue Laws are mostly gone by the boards. (Stores used to close on Sunday's, etc.)

You might also think about dogs for a moment. Dogs, some would argue are rather intelligent and have good souls. Yet they are put down when they are abandoned and cannot be re-homed.

When does it become murder? Is this a distinction Congress and the Supreme Court should be making? Or should it be given civil law boundaries, such that beyond the first trimester it is murder or manslaughter, but before that, while still a matter not to be taken lightly, should not bring charges upon the actors involved? And be a matter for the individuals involved to decide for themselves using their own consciences and religious beliefs if they have them.

Few things in life are black and white issues. I don't know where the cutoff should be time-wise, but I think there should be a way to keep women from dying in back alleys due to draconian laws that prevent them having proper medically sanctioned procedures, driving them to seek out illegal practitioners.

I am just an old guy, so I have no dog in this race really, except I would prefer not to see women getting harmed or killed , and of course that any such procedures be taken as early as practical to remain far away from the point of sentience or human consciousness.

Last Edited by JustmeTX on 04/01/2022 02:55 PM

Except that each life is precious and deserves the right to experience the life they came to live. After experiencing life (good and/or difficult) they human is ready to go back home--it is not our right to take that experience away from them.

I understand what you are saying, but the life we experience here has value and becomes part of the eternal experience of life.

How about we pass a law requiring that the child be euthanized in the womb before being yanked out?

Abortion is considered the compassionate choice for women. Let's have some mercy for the innocent object of hatred?

If one believes it is murder according to their religion- especially Christianity, then if they are supposed to have a voice or any power in their nation, they will be judged along with their nation, by God, if the nation declares the practice legal.

Glp is mostly incel men who hate women having sex. They hate women having control over their own bodies, because those incel men want control over women's bodies. They hate women having reproductive rights because that means women can sex easier than they can.
Those incel men dont care about babies. They just want to control women.

The problem is not abortion, that is simply a symptom.

The problem is the fact that people that don't want children getting pregnant. For 99% of those is a simple fix. Stop having sex.

why are we so against having sex responsibly?

are we stupid fucking animals?

ok witch thanks for your imput

take another chemical pill

I see both sides of it.

It is killing. Plain and simple and anyone who says otherwise has to lie to themselves to do so.

I wouldn't have done it. And I recall having that talk with girlfriends when I was young before I got married. If we would have gotten pregnant, we would have dealt with that. It would have been hard but it would have been the right thing to do. I had family that would have supported us, it would have taken away many fun years of my youth, but that would have been the right thing to do.


Now, given my extremely simple synapsis above, consider someone who chooses the other way.

What kind of parent would they be?

What are the chances that they remain in a monogamous relationship together?

What are the chances their kid wouldn't be a complete drain on society?



Even a person who puts their kid into our complete rubbish foster system didn't choose to conveniently murder their offspring. I have had a few friends who were adopted over the years as well as several adopted cousins, and I am happy to know them and most are great people and loving family members.



I can live without the criminals and crack babies, the welfare babies, kids raised by the streets etc. We have more than enough fucked up people already.

I think what gets me so pissed is that there are so many options to prevent a pregnancy

Birth control pill
IUD
Condoms
Spermacide
Day after pill
Abstinence
Tubal ligation
Hysterectomy
Vasectomy if you are with a partner

Shit happens..adoption

Most of the above is free or can be done with insurance.

It's the word games of finding an excuse to not admit that it is a baby being killed. It comes out a human baby. Not a chicken or a dog but a baby. It's listening to women laugh about killing a child. They use the rape and incest of women who aren't strong enough to handle the situation to justify their laziness.

There are too many choices for birth control. If you have to kill a fetus then that fetus had a life.

Didn't even have to use a bible verse.

You keep women out of back alleys by leaving the choice for abortion to the women that had no choice in the pregnancy. Still don't agree with it then but I've not gone through that and can't say I wouldn't do it. If there is a reason for abortion rape would be the only one for me.

I actually live somewhere which still honors Sunday blue laws.

It was actually pretty cool when I was a teenager because it meant most any job (except food service, grocery etc) I had would give me Sunday off.


Anyway, I agree it is a very nuanced issue.

The "rape and incest" angle is pure bullshit, typical of the bait and switch deception tactics used frequently.

Rape and incest account for a maximum of 1.5% of abortions.

That leaves 98.5% of abortions due to irresponsibility, stupidity, reckless sexual activity, laziness, convenience, being a shitty person etc.


But it makes a good sob story and plays on pity which is how many people allow themselves to be manipulated.

One Truth... many realities.
Moderation in all things.
Nothing is ever easy.

Human nature tells a complicated story... don't you think?

Hypocrites say the darndest things... I'm sure you know who you are.

Last Edited by scimitar on 04/01/2022 03:40 PM

Bc they are sheep tards. You can't be anti abortion and anti govt money to take care off all the teenage moms.


Religion should be banned.