Probably going to catch hell from a lot of you - why are we so against abortion?

No. You're wrong.
It is plain and simple.
It's very plain. It's very simple.
Killing is killing.
Murder is murder.
It is a sad thing; you're right about that.
Sadder still that there are those that collude, promote and consent to about the worst crime that can be perpetrated.

Edit: I had not seen these before my reply, my heart is with you both.


I guess I can't answer that question. That hypothetical is far outside my 'logical' scope.

I will admit; however, that when I was 17 my (at the time) girlfriend did have an abortion. It tore me to pieces. I'm actually still in disbelief. What's worse is that 9 years later when my daughter was born she sent me a message congratulating me. I cried for days afterward of the thought 'what could've been' I didn't cry over her, or the calibration of her moral compass. I cried for the unborn child of mine. The clinic where the procedure was conducted still stands today(though repurposed) and I have to choke back my tears and say a prayer every time that I have to drive by it. I don't drive past unless it's necessary.

Just for a little insight as to how I feel about the whole thing.

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I can add 3 names to the list that did use it for birth control solely.

Truth is, its a spiritual reason. Abortion degrades society. Lust is a part of nature but divinity is not. Lust degrades the psyche. Lust causes people who are not ready for a child to have them. Abortion removes accountability, strengthening a societies lust.
This degrades the society. Nuclear families are the backbone of any society.
Abortion feeds degradation whether people realize it or not.

^^ THIS ^^

You can get into all of the weeds, but as a holistic whole of a society, how they treat the unborn, young, and elderly is a strong indicator of how lost and sick it has become. The more the perversion exists, and the more it is normalized and tolerated by the society, the less that society is worthy of existing - it is a collapse of that society, a death spiral.

As I said in my last post, I would never kill an unborn baby person. But also dont think it's the governmen8place to tell people what they can, and can't do with their body. It's a personal choice.

But you lack forethought on this subject.

Some women get raped, and dont want to give birth to a little version of their racist.

Some women would love to be a mother, and due to complications, they are faced with possible death in a "me or the baby" situation.

While I wouldn't do it, I wouldn't judge anyone who does. Because it's not my place, and I couldn't understand their situation. I would imagine it's a very hard choice to make, and they probably struggle to live with it after it's done. We all do stupid things when we are young.

As for the "leave it in Gods hands" argument. Its 2022, and most adults realize there's no magic man in the sky playing finger puppets. So they actually do the hard work of controlling their own fate.

Unfortunately for the child, they usually take a very selfish approach to these decisions. You could say "if you have sex, you live with the consequences."

But we have all been teenagers before, and if you say consequences where on your mind when sex was imminent... your a liar.

If you say a 12 year old girl should live with the consequences of being raped... your simply small minded.

This isn't an easy subject to judge, which is why I choose not to. There is no right answer. Just a litany of bad decisions. What it requires isn't judgement... but an attempt to understand, from both sides.

I’m an atheist and against because it’s the lazy way out. Why can’t women (and men) take better precautions to keep a pregnancy from happening? And I’m not addressing rape or incest. I’m talking about personal responsibility.

My tax dollars also go to the military, to pay for the murder of innocents in blind airstrikes. Why don't we fight as hard against that?

ANY time man has a chance to interfere with nature he fucks it up. Can you think of ANY natural occurrence that has been made better by us interfering with it??

We are obviously not fit to mess with the natural order of things. This includes stopping a life that was meant to be. Look at it from the point of the Butterfly Effect. Our world is so fucked right now....could it be that we interfered with the lives that were meant to be that would have changed history?

When are we going to realize we are not smart enough to go against nature and make things "better." That's just it....we think we know what is better and we just make things worse.

Perhaps we should just go with the natural flow of things and the world would be a much better place.

Another thing...for those who argue that babies would be born into terrible conditions. Guess what? Those who have tough lives are the most intelligent, creative, deep people who have the most impact on the world. Those who are born into "perfect" lives are boring assholes that normally contribute very little to civilization.

.. i used to be against them but in retrospect and considering the segment of the population that uses it today .. i now think they should give them what they want, offer discounts perhaps a two for tuesday incentive ... is this what eugenicist margarita sanger had in mind when she founded the worlds largest abortion clinic, planned parenthood?

What if it is in self-defense?

Yep, same feelings here. They're probably doing us a favor.

There is a stigma in this country with using birth control. Technology is there to prevent 99.999% of unwanted pregnancy. There is no reason anybody should ever get pregnant that doesn't want to. Whose to blame? The universal church mostly, and an uninformed public. Once society accepts that two people can make a free will choice to have sex, and the act itself hurts no one when between willing participants, the sooner this stigma goes away. And in the process, with proper precautions, education and understanding, we have just eliminated the need for abortions at all. That's a win for everybody!

So if a woman is raped, and she faces a birth that would kill her... is forcing her to die in child birth NOT murder?

If a woman gets pregnant and choses to have it in spite of the risk... is it suicide when she dies?

It is killing an unborn child.

But killing isn't just killing.

Does the hangman go to hell for doing his job? Because murder is murder by your logic.

We should abort the parents not the child. The choice is made when sex is had not after!
Abort the damn parents and spare the child is how it should be!

Right to Choose (Abortion) and Right to Life positions are not based on money by the majority regardless the position of the person.

The problem with this issue is it's an emotional one and for good reason. Regardless which position you take on it you are both in support of one persons rights to the exclusion of another.

What do I mean? Think about it

IF you support a woman's right to choose you are doing so to the exclusion of the unborn child's right to life. Conversely if you support an unborn child's right to life you do so to the exclusion of a woman's right to choose in deciding what happens within her own body. I think it is because of this conflict, perhaps even among ones self, is why it's such an emotional issue because as I said, regardless which side you come down on there is no escaping the fact your decision protects one person rights but in doing so, you have to violate another.

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Anyone seeking an abortions that is…they should be forced to have the child then executed! Let the child live

It is obvious you have no children, since in your post, you are void of any inkling of selfless-love.

There is no greater crime on earth than that of a mother killing her own child.

Every time she sees a child, she will remember the one she murdered. She will see them at 5 years old, at 9 years old, at 15, graduating from college, getting married, and she will deep inside, always grieve; That her child did not have a chance to learn how to walk and talk, learn and grow, make something of themselves, fall in love.

What pisses me off the most are the politicians who capitalize on this, who raise the "rights" flag over the graves of the innocent; Who placate and appease the grief of millions of women, just for votes.

we kill our children, thinking they are a disease, when we are really killing ourselves and our future.

Abortion shouldn't be an option for irresponsible sexual practices.
We have castration for that.

And also how they treat prisoners and the homeless and unwanted animals. All in all. We’re pretty cruel

I say everytime a Democrat is born, our future takes another step toward the toilet. So I'm fine with Democrats putting their fetuses in the toilet first.

It's one of those things I just tend to push out of my mind and not think about, OP. But then something drags it out of the memory mausoleum and there it is, fresh and raw as it was when it was new. It never gets any easier. And I don't think it should. It was tragic and no amount of time or space should ever make it less so.

All life comes from God and is sacred no matter what the circumstances of the birth are . We do not call the shots on life and death .
It is sticking a finger in God's eyes .
You do know that these little ones feel pain at a very early stage ? Try having your arms and legs sucked off with no painkiller .

What is a 12 year old girl is raped by some gang in the hood, and has issues that almost guarantee her death if she carries a baby to term?

Should she suck it up, and live with the consequences?

What if the government decided to pass laws saying just what you believe. No abortions...live with the consequences.

BUT... you chose to go to wal Mart and people are spreading Covid their, so report to the nearest vaccine clinic for your shot.

Dont worry about the risk... just leave it in Gods hands.

That's sort of anarchy, right?
with that logic, there is no need for a judicial system at all.... 'cause, karma!

The whole purpose of our legal system is to allow personal freedom without infringing on others.

I think if you grab someone by the head with a pair of tongs and crush their head, then rip them out of their cozy environment and if they are still alive hit them over the head with a hammer, you have really infringed on the constitutional and God given right to life... that's my personal opinion.

Oh and I realize that not all abortions are performed that way...there is also dumping poison on the baby and melting the skin off, then letting the poison slowly eat thru the vital organs, and yes, they can feel at this point.

I don't even consider myself a Christian, but how sick of a society do you have to be to have debates about what age you can legally torture children.

Something like 5 times more Black people get abortions than white folk.

This is a good thing if you're a racist.

What happens to those babies is worse.

But it doesn't matter what people say, the abortion rate will stay the same and grow. The very second the govt stops paying for babies, blks and trash won't have any.

But the "fantasy" people think only of their selves and fapping in their "emoshuns". If they ever really got their way, it would be baby-geddon in the streets and babies even more of a live market item than they are now.
Let the anti people live a blk toddlers life 3 days. That would fix em.

As a virgin into my 20s I could never understand how teens were having sex so nonchalantly. I figured just let them have abortions.

Then when i grew up and realized you have sex with your husband 40+ years there’s a good chance of a few oopsie children. Maybe you and him don’t want anymore kids. (I wanted my kids but I know many regular women and their husbands who DON’T) Just let people do what they do with their birth control business.

So if someone becomes an unfit parent when the kid is six, the kid should be post-natally-aborted?